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On October 16 2011 19:50 rareh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 19:41 dooraven wrote:
Wait Terrans biggest weakness is mobility? In TvZ, probably due to seige tanks, but in TvP? I dunno how you can claim the bio ball is not very mobile. Terran don't have warp, recall, nydus worm or creep. Attention i am talking in big maps and cross position, in small maps terran is too overpowered, because the things i talked about don't have as much of a effect.
Recall is never used, and the warp-in mechanic doesn't move armies, only reinforces, I don't think they can be compared. In comparison to Protoss in the matchup, Terran is considerably more mobile and I don't think you can really deny that.
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On October 07 2011 23:19 Chewbacca. wrote:
It's pretty crazy how much a difference there is in the win % of the pro races vs the win % of master/GMaster players on ladder.
On NA/EU Masster/GMaster level P beats Z 57% of the time while here Z beats P about 57% of the time, a complete reversal.
You got the ladder results back to front, according to DB @ Blizzcon. ZvP is one of the most imbalanced matchups, statistically with a >10% advantage to Zerg at Masters and above level in Europe  . The only worse matchup is PvT (in favour of Terran) in Korea.
This doesn't necessarily reflect actual balance, btw. I think PvZ is pretty close to balanced if favouring Zergies a little bit. PvT is IMO broken and ZvT is frickin HARD.
EDIT: All other matchups at all levels on all servers Blizzard considers balanced, statistically.
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remember that one month when the matchups were almost perfect? now theyh're so bad somehow xD
On October 07 2011 22:54 MorroW wrote:just give it a month with the new patch and things will start look better no need to call game imbalanced now when patch just came and in the sc1 stats u can see it constantly changing even if maps and patch is the same. its just the players builds that are evolving
this is reassuring
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Protoss unite to find a way! If Blizzard doesn't want to we have to! :D
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So where is the OCT stats? are they looking good for toss UP meme anymore?
Post it.
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I'm quite surprised at the ZvT o_o
I mean I complain about Terran all the time (Z player) but I though P had it way worse... 
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Lol nothing too surprising anymore. Tos is just sad.
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On November 05 2011 15:51 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:remember that one month when the matchups were almost perfect? now theyh're so bad somehow xD Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 22:54 MorroW wrote:just give it a month with the new patch and things will start look better no need to call game imbalanced now when patch just came and in the sc1 stats u can see it constantly changing even if maps and patch is the same. its just the players builds that are evolving this is reassuring
I somehow think October isn't going to look any better for toss in Korea. Hopefully the new stats will be out soon.
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On November 05 2011 15:51 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
remember that one month when the matchups were almost perfect? now theyh're so bad somehow xD
Terran never built Ghosts then .
Zerg players have since then got a lot better at hitting their larva injects too whilst Protoss now spends their chrono-boost better? Protoss is arguably easier to macro with so there's only so good you can get. I think protoss needs a high-skill unit that can turn thing in their favour. That way the higher levels where Protoss gets face-rolled will swing back and the lower levels where things are ok, nothing will change .
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On October 16 2011 18:32 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 18:16 Teoita wrote:On October 16 2011 16:49 harhar! wrote:
this graph is retarded. plz dont include it next time for it shows wrong information. or at least make it much more precise.
it saddens me, that korean terran are so good. i on the ladder dont get shit from it and blizz will go ahead and buff toss even more. just look at sc2ranks, terran have low representation in the higher leagues and high representation in the lower leagues. also the lowest amount of points everywhere except gm.
i dont udnerstand one thing thoug: in the last patch protoss got clearly away as the winner compared to z and t and still they manage to suck even more. whats wrong with that? Protoss is at it's weakest in the early game (overly relying on sentries to set up a safe expansion), and lategame (where ghosts and infestor/broodlord rule the day). Blizzard consistently buffs the protoss midgame (archons, immortals getting buffed, infestor nerf vs colossi, etc), thus forcing the race even more to rely on timing attacks to be in a winning position vs other races. Once those timing attacks get figured out (see zealot/archon in pvt), the race suffers even more because we end in an even worse state in the lategame whan before. Please don't respond to him, he's just flamebaiting or else extremely ignorant. All of the points he made have been covered either in this thread or in the balance discussion one, so why bother replying?
He has a point though i get somewhat regular abuse from zerg/toss players in games i win with them bringing up "ghosts op" "terran ez look at gsl" people need to understand that these graphs probably dont effect them.
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There is no point of using polynom of such low order to fit the data. It's more confusing because of that 
ZvT as expected for me.
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On November 05 2011 21:39 Tuk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 18:32 SeaSwift wrote:On October 16 2011 18:16 Teoita wrote:On October 16 2011 16:49 harhar! wrote:
this graph is retarded. plz dont include it next time for it shows wrong information. or at least make it much more precise.
it saddens me, that korean terran are so good. i on the ladder dont get shit from it and blizz will go ahead and buff toss even more. just look at sc2ranks, terran have low representation in the higher leagues and high representation in the lower leagues. also the lowest amount of points everywhere except gm.
i dont udnerstand one thing thoug: in the last patch protoss got clearly away as the winner compared to z and t and still they manage to suck even more. whats wrong with that? Protoss is at it's weakest in the early game (overly relying on sentries to set up a safe expansion), and lategame (where ghosts and infestor/broodlord rule the day). Blizzard consistently buffs the protoss midgame (archons, immortals getting buffed, infestor nerf vs colossi, etc), thus forcing the race even more to rely on timing attacks to be in a winning position vs other races. Once those timing attacks get figured out (see zealot/archon in pvt), the race suffers even more because we end in an even worse state in the lategame whan before. Please don't respond to him, he's just flamebaiting or else extremely ignorant. All of the points he made have been covered either in this thread or in the balance discussion one, so why bother replying? He has a point though i get somewhat regular abuse from zerg/toss players in games i win with them bringing up "ghosts op" "terran ez look at gsl" people need to understand that these graphs probably dont effect them.
Every damn game I get to here this GSL comparision... people are so retarded on ladder.
Diamond/Master is quite Protoss favoured in PvT, just saying - as well as TvZ on large maps with cross positions is Zerg favoured. Don't try to relate these statistics to the ladder. If you played all three races at Diamond+ niveau, you can challenge these assumptions, but don't bring your Silver league experience into it.
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PvT was Toss favored by 1.2% last month of September according to the graph... So you people qqing about Terran should have some hope (considering the statistics for Terran don't fall in the imbalance range, which is +5% according to blizzard, but then again that is ladder).
Though PvZ is about where I would expect it... I have always had an exceptionally hard time with that match up.
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