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On October 07 2011 22:47 Binabik wrote:
Don't forget that even in chess there is a 56%-44% imbalance in favor of white (moves first).
Of course that doesn't mean that we should try to keep the game imbalanced, but it means that you shouldn't worry about these percentages to much, just try to win every game!
In chess you don't always play with the same race.
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Why so little games in september?
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I don't like the polynomial that was fitted to the data. It's stated in the picture that it's a 3rd order polynomial (so: a x^3 + b x^2 + c x + d), which is a fairly arbitrary choice. I don't think you can just fit a polynomial function to data like this, since the data do not just come from continuous natural evolution, but also discrete jumps (changes in map-pool and mostly balance-patches can create bumps in the graphs that can't easily be approximated by a function fit).
Just provide the raw data without any attempts at fitting it next time.
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Whoa! Protoss making a steep drop in PvZ match up.
This is getting rdiculous...
Hopefuly they take the opportunity to change some mechanics around with HotS to fix this!
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On October 07 2011 22:44 tnud wrote:Calm the **** down. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/uxz19.png) It'll be alright  EDIT: Should be noted that the map pool rules a lot of the balance in BW.
Should also be noted that the game count for broodwar over 4 years is less than that of sc2 for 1 :D
And broodwar had no patches being applied during that period afaik (tho i will stand corrected quite happily)
Edit: Ninja'd by morrow... :O
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Terran struggling a bit :'(
No more nerfs please!
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On October 07 2011 22:56 Rannasha wrote:
I don't like the polynomial that was fitted to the data. It's stated in the picture that it's a 3rd order polynomial (so: a x^3 + b x^2 + c x + d), which is a fairly arbitrary choice. I don't think you can just fit a polynomial function to data like this, since the data do not just come from continuous natural evolution, but also discrete jumps (changes in map-pool and mostly balance-patches can create bumps in the graphs that can't easily be approximated by a function fit).
Just provide the raw data without any attempts at fitting it next time.
Clearly the polynomial fit doesn't mean much.
Would have been better to choose a moving average (for instance over 3 months)
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Edited. Daft question, ignore.
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Let's see. The 2nd most imbalanced ZvT month on record. And the most imbalanced PvZ month on record.
Balance is going well.
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Once again people are ignorant about these diagrams and when the patch has came. The patch hasn't been out for long time so you can't see the state of the game in this yet, wait for Octobers winrate and we will see the current course of the game.
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Wow I didn't know PvZ was that bad. Also ZvT :O.
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Those scales are really misleading at first glance.
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On October 07 2011 22:55 Elean wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 22:47 Binabik wrote:
Don't forget that even in chess there is a 56%-44% imbalance in favor of white (moves first).
Of course that doesn't mean that we should try to keep the game imbalanced, but it means that you shouldn't worry about these percentages to much, just try to win every game! In chess you don't always play with the same race.
But you cant have a fair bo3/bo5?
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There will always be a time where one race is superior. Blame the players, not the balance. I think the game is balanced well. Just wait for a SC2 Bisu to carry the race forward.
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It's pretty crazy how much a difference there is in the win % of the pro races vs the win % of master/GMaster players on ladder.
On NA/EU Masster/GMaster level P beats Z 57% of the time while here Z beats P about 57% of the time, a complete reversal.
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On October 07 2011 22:56 Rannasha wrote:
I don't like the polynomial that was fitted to the data. It's stated in the picture that it's a 3rd order polynomial (so: a x^3 + b x^2 + c x + d), which is a fairly arbitrary choice. I don't think you can just fit a polynomial function to data like this, since the data do not just come from continuous natural evolution, but also discrete jumps (changes in map-pool and mostly balance-patches can create bumps in the graphs that can't easily be approximated by a function fit).
Just provide the raw data without any attempts at fitting it next time.
Well, it's a trend line, nothing more. I guess it could be de-emphasized a bit. I'm actually fairly happy with how it trends the data points.
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On October 07 2011 23:12 Binabik wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2011 22:55 Elean wrote:On October 07 2011 22:47 Binabik wrote:
Don't forget that even in chess there is a 56%-44% imbalance in favor of white (moves first).
Of course that doesn't mean that we should try to keep the game imbalanced, but it means that you shouldn't worry about these percentages to much, just try to win every game! In chess you don't always play with the same race. But you cant have a fair bo3/bo5?
You don't generally have Bo3/5 in chess.
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On October 07 2011 23:19 Chewbacca. wrote:
It's pretty crazy how much a difference there is in the win % of the pro races vs the win % of master/GMaster players on ladder.
On NA/EU Masster/GMaster level P beats Z 57% of the time while here Z beats P about 57% of the time, a complete reversal.
Well I'm a Masters player as well and I can tell you most Masters players really suck and are nowhere near the level of real pro's. So those Blizzard statistics grouping Masters and GM together don't really say anything.
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On October 07 2011 22:38 Drakeblitz wrote:
Why the imbalance in ZvT?
I don't understand.
lol xD
I was basically crying watching ZvT's in GSL, the great game they were from both sides...imbalance just makes you want to cry :/
I can say the same about late game ZvP tbh...Stephano vs Huk as an example. Z just seems heavily favored .
I was expecting a lot bigger difference in PvT though....this is strange.
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People have to take into consideration that those winrates ignore the fact that maps are imbalanced and that some races might have better players than others.
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