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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
The right period that we should look at the winrates should be October/November. If terran increases its win rate, then its disturbing. But i believe PvT and ZvT winrates should climb back up. And we should look at korean stats, not international stats. | ||
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
Don't forget that there are alot of terrans I know which defeat top terran players with protoss without even trying... | ||
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freetgy
1720 Posts
On October 09 2011 01:19 Snowbear wrote: Don't forget that there are alot of terrans I know which defeat top terran players with protoss without even trying... replay or it didn't happen  we have seen mc off racing as terran and defeating people easily. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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GinDo
3327 Posts
On October 07 2011 22:44 tnud wrote: Calm the **** down. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/uxz19.png) It'll be alright  EDIT: Should be noted that the map pool rules a lot of the balance in BW. Yeah people overreact to these statistics. OMG imba!!! | ||
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Not_That
287 Posts
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On October 08 2011 05:18 Reborn8u wrote: Looking at just champions is problematic of course. But look at these two charts ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/cGzPj.png) Now realize that the Sc2 has almost 9000 more games factored in it's graph than BW's. In BW's sample of 15959 games every race takes turns going from top to bottom, and at many points every race is within 3% of each other. Now look at Sc2's graph of 25,187 games. in only two places I see the races reach within 3% for all three. (Oct 2010, and June 2011) Also notice that Terran is on top the entire length of the graph. Also look at the individual matchups. In BW we see some drastic swings, but every race takes turns above and below the 50% mark in every matchup. Now look at Sc2's matchups. PvZ is the only matchup where there is change in dominance. Conclusion = BW has better balance You do realize that the BW chart is aprox 3 years right? I am just saying that we shouldn´t take conclusions based off 1 year. | ||
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JJH777
United States4420 Posts
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LtLolburger
New Zealand365 Posts
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-_-
United States7081 Posts
On October 09 2011 13:16 JJH777 wrote: At the people discussing the lack of a dominant protoss as evidence that protoss is UP. That argument is flawed because there has never been a protoss who dominated his mirror like Nestea and MVP dominate their mirrors (especially Nestea). MC was close for a while but lately has fallen off a cliff in PvP. Losing to Hongun, and Alicia right next to each other and now losing to some random toss. He also lost a PvP in the recent korean weekly I'm pretty sure or at the very least it was really close can't remember the games exactly. Interesting point. Here's something I think you should consider. Because of the warp in mechanic, I think PvP is fundamentally different than the other mirrors. In ZvZ and TvT, because of the defender's advantage, rushes are weaker and drawing out the game is easier, giving players more opportunity to showcase their skill. This is because units come from production buildings. However, in PvP, units can come from pylons. I believe this means we will never see a Protoss player be as dominant in his mirror matchup as the best Zerg and Terran players are. | ||
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kodas
United States418 Posts
On October 09 2011 01:24 freetgy wrote: replay or it didn't happen we have seen mc off racing as terran and defeating people easily. MKP(as protoss) vs slayersMMA, At the last GSL final. | ||
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dooraven
Australia2820 Posts
On October 09 2011 13:39 kodas wrote: MKP(as protoss) vs slayersMMA, At the last GSL final. Rofl those were joke games... | ||
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KevinIX
United States2472 Posts
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Artok
Netherlands2219 Posts
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CatNzHat
United States1599 Posts
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MuseMike
United States1339 Posts
On October 09 2011 01:19 Snowbear wrote: Don't forget that there are alot of terrans I know which defeat top terran players with protoss without even trying... Anecdotal evidence, how wonderful. When statistics show you the truth, lean back on anecdotes! | ||
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MuseMike
United States1339 Posts
On October 09 2011 13:39 kodas wrote: MKP(as protoss) vs slayersMMA, At the last GSL final. You mean the game no one cared about? It was a showmatch where they did retarded builds. That same night Nestea did early 3 base on Antiga with the 3rd being the gold. Yeah, everyone, even the casters knew that people didn't take it seriously. | ||
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K3Nyy
United States1961 Posts
Anyway, I think it's pretty clear that Terran is the dominant race. They've been holding a considerable win rate margin over Zerg and a slight margin over Protoss. Also PvZ has also been favoring the Zerg these past months. Still I'd like to see a Korean graph where the highest skill level is right now. | ||
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Chaosvuistje
Netherlands2581 Posts
I kind of hoped that since the patch the winrate for P in PvZ would increase so I could whine about it some more, but again I'm shown with percentages that say 'nope, you just suck a lot'. To be fair, the ZvT probably is because of some random metagame shift at the Terran spectrum and the Zergs just haven't adapted to it. I'm pretty confident in that match up being rather balanced as long as the game stabilizes some more. On October 09 2011 15:23 K3Nyy wrote: Is there a Korean graph? These stats seem kinda distorted because of Koreans coming over and beating everyone regardless of whatever race they play, well, maybe except for one. ><" Anyway, I think it's pretty clear that Terran is the dominant race. They've been holding a considerable win rate margin over Zerg and a slight margin over Protoss. Also PvZ has also been favoring the Zerg these past months. Still I'd like to see a Korean graph where the highest skill level is right now. I don't think a Korean graph gives us a lot of exciting data. Considering that most of the top koreans are Terran they will get the most air time on the GSL, GSTL and KotH korea ( perhaps the latter one is more balanced race wise, but I don't think they are held into account. ) and because of that the sample size of Zerg vs Protoss would be too small to pick any balance out of it. | ||
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K3Nyy
United States1961 Posts
On October 09 2011 15:23 Chaosvuistje wrote: I wish I had that kind of win percentage against P T_T. I kind of hoped that since the patch the winrate for P in PvZ would increase so I could whine about it some more, but again I'm shown with percentages that say 'nope, you just suck a lot'. To be fair, the ZvT probably is because of some random metagame shift at the Terran spectrum and the Zergs just haven't adapted to it. I'm pretty confident in that match up being rather balanced as long as the game stabilizes some more. I don't think a Korean graph gives us a lot of exciting data. Considering that most of the top koreans are Terran they will get the most air time on the GSL, GSTL and KotH korea ( perhaps the latter one is more balanced race wise, but I don't think they are held into account. ) and because of that the sample size of Zerg vs Protoss would be too small to pick any balance out of it. A few hundred games a month could show us a trend. | ||
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