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On September 25 2011 16:32 BigBadBeaver wrote:
No "pro" would say things as sensitive as "kill yourself" in a tournament setting. Most people are quite reasonable when there are people watching.
And if it were to happen I have confidence that the tournament will deal with it accordingly. If not, the masses will cause an uproar and bring us the drama we all know and love on TL.
I believe idra has before...
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On September 25 2011 16:33 Bonkerz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 16:32 Torte de Lini wrote:This is Jedigamer, he compensates for his insecurity by putting a front of obnoxious attacks towards other people (regardless if it is deemed or not). He said himself he'd "turn over a new leaf", but shortly after, ruined it. Don't give him more attention and don't use him as an example for anything relative or related. Is it okay for people to be using terms like this over a video game? Especially a GROWN MAN to a highschooler (me) like for our game Get off the soapbox. read the edits...
You mean the next edit you just put in.
Which makes your case even less of a general issue or point.
I still suggest to get off. There are disciplinary measures for people or expressions of anger like this.
You sound patronizing a bit to be honest. "How can we, the people, enjoy such games if there is a fear of others, potentially better or worst than us in skill, plague our subculture with these insults and... dare I say it: threats of life! How can we grow as a community, a growing bunch of gamers and determined professionals when we are constantly in social fear of being lashed out upon with threats we would never receive in person or in real life!
The grounds of professionalism are shaken! NEVER TO BE SAME AGAIN!"
Except nearly all organizations have a basis of measures to prevent this or deter it in addition: professionals are sponsored. They make the team look bad, poor publicity for the sponsors and eventually lose more opportunities in the future.
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http://sc2armory.com/forums/topic/22830
Guy has done plenty of stuff like this in the past. No big suprise just another ladder warrior who lost a bunch of games then decided that being annoying might get them somewhere.
Also as for your edit no. If somebody pulled stuff like this at a lan tournament they would get the hell beat out of them atleast i would hope so.
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A MUCH BETTER EXAMPLE THAN JEDIGAMER
USE THIS PLEASE
How is this not a topic on TL!
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On September 25 2011 16:36 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 16:33 Bonkerz wrote:On September 25 2011 16:32 Torte de Lini wrote:This is Jedigamer, he compensates for his insecurity by putting a front of obnoxious attacks towards other people (regardless if it is deemed or not). He said himself he'd "turn over a new leaf", but shortly after, ruined it. Don't give him more attention and don't use him as an example for anything relative or related. Is it okay for people to be using terms like this over a video game? Especially a GROWN MAN to a highschooler (me) like for our game Get off the soapbox. read the edits... You mean the next edit you just put in. Which makes your case even less of a general issue or point. I still suggest to get off. There are disciplinary measures for people or expressions of anger like this. You sound patronizing a bit to be honest. "How can we, the people, enjoy such games if there is a fear of others, potentially better or worst than us in skill, plague our subculture with these insults and... dare I say it: threats of life! How can we grow as a community, a growing bunch of gamers and determined professionals when we are constantly in social fear of being lashed out upon with threats we would never receive in person or in real life! The grounds of professionalism are shaken! NEVER TO BE SAME AGAIN!" Except nearly all organizations have a basis of measures to prevent this or deter it in addition: professionals are sponsored. They make the team look bad, poor publicity for the sponsors and eventually lose more opportunities in the future.
It's not the threat, but putting down an emotionally damaged person can literally cause people to kill themselves, being a person who has MATURED how can you still be acting like that no matter what the case, What if i was emotionally damaged and I ended up killing myself, and then again even sponsored players saying shit like this on ladder should get them like suspended from a tourny or some shit, We will never be taken seriously as long as we have people like this acting this way (pro players) ofc. And i will redirate, there isn't a professional athlete out there that can say stuff like this during their events or just anywhere, why should Starcraft 2 players?
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This is disgraceful.
Do I think something should be done about bm though?
No I don't.
In your country and in my country we have a little thing called the right to free speech.
Your bad mannered sc2 tutor has clearly abused his right to free speech, but that is his right to abuse as he wishes and there is no way to stop him from saying nasty things without threatening the free speech of the innocent.
If it's any consolation to you though, this guy's bm and inability to communicate like a civilized person will only work agaisnt him in time.
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I mean come on, if someone tells someone to go kill themselves in MLG, do you honestly think they wouldn't get DQ'd? lol, if they didn't my mind would be BLOWN. -.-
EDIT : wow the ss of rgnspades is pretty ridiculous lol
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On September 25 2011 16:39 Torte de Lini wrote:A MUCH BETTER EXAMPLE THAN JEDIGAMER USE THIS PLEASE How is this not a topic on TL!
Give it a couple days, the crucification will soon begin.
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On September 25 2011 16:40 Selendis wrote:
This is disgraceful.
Do I think something should be done about bm though?
No I don't.
In your country and in my country we have a little thing called the right to free speech.
Your bad mannered sc2 tutor has clearly abused his right to free speech, but that is his right to abuse as he wishes and there is no way to stop him from saying nasty things without threatening the free speech of the innocent.
If it's any consolation to you though, this guy's bm and inability to communicate like a civilized person will only work agaisnt him in time.
Freedom of speech doesn't harbor threats last time i checked :-) and BM is fine, but there are lines people shouldn't cross.
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its like you've never been on the internet before OP :S thicken your skin up
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On September 25 2011 16:39 Bonkerz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 16:36 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 25 2011 16:33 Bonkerz wrote:On September 25 2011 16:32 Torte de Lini wrote:This is Jedigamer, he compensates for his insecurity by putting a front of obnoxious attacks towards other people (regardless if it is deemed or not). He said himself he'd "turn over a new leaf", but shortly after, ruined it. Don't give him more attention and don't use him as an example for anything relative or related. Is it okay for people to be using terms like this over a video game? Especially a GROWN MAN to a highschooler (me) like for our game Get off the soapbox. read the edits... You mean the next edit you just put in. Which makes your case even less of a general issue or point. I still suggest to get off. There are disciplinary measures for people or expressions of anger like this. You sound patronizing a bit to be honest. "How can we, the people, enjoy such games if there is a fear of others, potentially better or worst than us in skill, plague our subculture with these insults and... dare I say it: threats of life! How can we grow as a community, a growing bunch of gamers and determined professionals when we are constantly in social fear of being lashed out upon with threats we would never receive in person or in real life! The grounds of professionalism are shaken! NEVER TO BE SAME AGAIN!" Except nearly all organizations have a basis of measures to prevent this or deter it in addition: professionals are sponsored. They make the team look bad, poor publicity for the sponsors and eventually lose more opportunities in the future. It's not the threat, but putting down an emotionally damaged person can literally cause people to kill themselves, being a person who has MATURED how can you still be acting like that no matter what the case, What if i was emotionally damaged and I ended up killing myself, and then again even sponsored players saying shit like this on ladder should get them like suspended from a tourny or some shit, We will never be taken seriously as long as we have people like this acting this way (pro players) ofc. And i will redirate, there isn't a professional athlete out there that can say stuff like this during their events or just anywhere, why should Starcraft 2 players?
That is the risk of all things on the internet. About the emotionally-damaged person: that isn't even your original approach. Yours was, in addition, between a high-schooler and a grown man, but also: "Is it okay for people to be using terms like this over a video game? "
That's your question or debate topic.
There will always be outliers or exceptions of people who are of poor-manner. It is their nature and they aren't an example of the community nor of competitive gaming [which all have subcultures and levels or boundaries of bad manners or cussing].
What if you were emotionally damaged and you killed yourself? Would it be because of that sole instance of an unknown insulting you after losing a match? Unlikely, but a combination of multiple things.
I think you're just on the soapbox again to be honest, maybe I'm just tired of people always looking out for how to be exemplary so we can strive by scrutinizing the smallest shits that always happen in all sports (including professional ones).
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On September 25 2011 16:45 askTeivospy wrote:
its like you've never been on the internet before OP :S thicken your skin up
holy shit read the post.
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On September 25 2011 16:42 BigBadBeaver wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 16:39 Torte de Lini wrote:A MUCH BETTER EXAMPLE THAN JEDIGAMER USE THIS PLEASE How is this not a topic on TL! Give it a couple days, the crucification will soon begin.
Really disappointing, not sure how he can come back from that.
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On September 25 2011 16:45 Bonkerz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 16:45 askTeivospy wrote:
its like you've never been on the internet before OP :S thicken your skin up holy shit read the post.
No, he's right. One instance and you're making a global generalization of all players in all instances under all circumstances for the view or need to be consider "professional" for the sport.
One instance = not a valid need to make a generalizing call for help or dire need to assert and scrutinize the matter! Especially when it's anecdotal. Why are you even talking to Jedigamer over Skype when you should be aware of his behavior? In addition, if I could read the chat, there is probably more to this story than we're let on.
If not, Jedigamer isn't a progamer, so your scenario or fear of one, is based on nothing but a stretch for now (minus the Spades thing, jesus wow).
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On September 25 2011 16:45 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 16:39 Bonkerz wrote:On September 25 2011 16:36 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 25 2011 16:33 Bonkerz wrote:On September 25 2011 16:32 Torte de Lini wrote:This is Jedigamer, he compensates for his insecurity by putting a front of obnoxious attacks towards other people (regardless if it is deemed or not). He said himself he'd "turn over a new leaf", but shortly after, ruined it. Don't give him more attention and don't use him as an example for anything relative or related. Is it okay for people to be using terms like this over a video game? Especially a GROWN MAN to a highschooler (me) like for our game Get off the soapbox. read the edits... You mean the next edit you just put in. Which makes your case even less of a general issue or point. I still suggest to get off. There are disciplinary measures for people or expressions of anger like this. Here i'll delete all the shit about me out of OP aight? You sound patronizing a bit to be honest. "How can we, the people, enjoy such games if there is a fear of others, potentially better or worst than us in skill, plague our subculture with these insults and... dare I say it: threats of life! How can we grow as a community, a growing bunch of gamers and determined professionals when we are constantly in social fear of being lashed out upon with threats we would never receive in person or in real life! The grounds of professionalism are shaken! NEVER TO BE SAME AGAIN!" Except nearly all organizations have a basis of measures to prevent this or deter it in addition: professionals are sponsored. They make the team look bad, poor publicity for the sponsors and eventually lose more opportunities in the future. It's not the threat, but putting down an emotionally damaged person can literally cause people to kill themselves, being a person who has MATURED how can you still be acting like that no matter what the case, What if i was emotionally damaged and I ended up killing myself, and then again even sponsored players saying shit like this on ladder should get them like suspended from a tourny or some shit, We will never be taken seriously as long as we have people like this acting this way (pro players) ofc. And i will redirate, there isn't a professional athlete out there that can say stuff like this during their events or just anywhere, why should Starcraft 2 players? That is the risk of all things on the internet. About the emotionally-damaged person: that isn't even your original approach. Yours was, in addition, between a high-schooler and a grown man, but also: "Is it okay for people to be using terms like this over a video game? " That's your question or debate topic. There will always be outliers or exceptions of people who are of poor-manner. It is their nature and they aren't an example of the community nor of competitive gaming [which all have subcultures and levels or boundaries of bad manners or cussing]. What if you were emotionally damaged and you killed yourself? Would it be because of that sole instance of an unknown insulting you after losing a match? Unlikely, but a combination of multiple things. I think you're just on the soapbox again to be honest, maybe I'm just tired of people always looking out for how to be exemplary so we can strive by scrutinizing the smallest shits that always happen in all sports (including professional ones).
I'm not on a soapbox i really don't give a shit about jedigamer or what happened to me it's an example. And the spades thing just proves my point, he's a pro gamer, who is known, why isn't there a organization formed between tournaments to put a stop to stuff like this? I mean I guess SC2Con in korea tried right, but what about a formation of like IGN + MLG+ DH + NASL to stop idiotic shit like this?
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On September 25 2011 16:46 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 16:42 BigBadBeaver wrote:On September 25 2011 16:39 Torte de Lini wrote:A MUCH BETTER EXAMPLE THAN JEDIGAMER USE THIS PLEASE How is this not a topic on TL! Give it a couple days, the crucification will soon begin. Really disappointing, not sure how he can come back from that.
He might be joking, men my friend do that all the time
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On September 25 2011 16:47 Bonkerz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 16:45 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 25 2011 16:39 Bonkerz wrote:On September 25 2011 16:36 Torte de Lini wrote:On September 25 2011 16:33 Bonkerz wrote:On September 25 2011 16:32 Torte de Lini wrote:This is Jedigamer, he compensates for his insecurity by putting a front of obnoxious attacks towards other people (regardless if it is deemed or not). He said himself he'd "turn over a new leaf", but shortly after, ruined it. Don't give him more attention and don't use him as an example for anything relative or related. Is it okay for people to be using terms like this over a video game? Especially a GROWN MAN to a highschooler (me) like for our game Get off the soapbox. read the edits... You mean the next edit you just put in. Which makes your case even less of a general issue or point. I still suggest to get off. There are disciplinary measures for people or expressions of anger like this. You sound patronizing a bit to be honest. "How can we, the people, enjoy such games if there is a fear of others, potentially better or worst than us in skill, plague our subculture with these insults and... dare I say it: threats of life! How can we grow as a community, a growing bunch of gamers and determined professionals when we are constantly in social fear of being lashed out upon with threats we would never receive in person or in real life! The grounds of professionalism are shaken! NEVER TO BE SAME AGAIN!" Except nearly all organizations have a basis of measures to prevent this or deter it in addition: professionals are sponsored. They make the team look bad, poor publicity for the sponsors and eventually lose more opportunities in the future. It's not the threat, but putting down an emotionally damaged person can literally cause people to kill themselves, being a person who has MATURED how can you still be acting like that no matter what the case, What if i was emotionally damaged and I ended up killing myself, and then again even sponsored players saying shit like this on ladder should get them like suspended from a tourny or some shit, We will never be taken seriously as long as we have people like this acting this way (pro players) ofc. And i will redirate, there isn't a professional athlete out there that can say stuff like this during their events or just anywhere, why should Starcraft 2 players? That is the risk of all things on the internet. About the emotionally-damaged person: that isn't even your original approach. Yours was, in addition, between a high-schooler and a grown man, but also: "Is it okay for people to be using terms like this over a video game? " That's your question or debate topic. There will always be outliers or exceptions of people who are of poor-manner. It is their nature and they aren't an example of the community nor of competitive gaming [which all have subcultures and levels or boundaries of bad manners or cussing]. What if you were emotionally damaged and you killed yourself? Would it be because of that sole instance of an unknown insulting you after losing a match? Unlikely, but a combination of multiple things. I think you're just on the soapbox again to be honest, maybe I'm just tired of people always looking out for how to be exemplary so we can strive by scrutinizing the smallest shits that always happen in all sports (including professional ones). I'm not on a soapbox i really don't give a shit about jedigamer or what happened to me it's an example. And the spades thing just proves my point, he's a pro gamer, who is known, why isn't there a organization formed between tournaments to put a stop to stuff like this? I mean I guess SC2Con in korea tried right, but what about a formation of like IGN + MLG+ DH + NASL to stop idiotic shit like this?
See above, your example is about a non progamer who you talked to on your own free-doing outside of B.Net and not even in-person and we don't know the context.
Big stretch you're making if we consider your second edit.
As someone said: wait for a topic to be made. Eventually social judgement will come and repercussions will ensue.
You can't stop people from expressing themselves, you can only try to deter it or punish them for it. Which I'm sure Spades will by his team under the pressure of frantic sponsors.
So what are you trying to say?
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That is not cool, wouldn't it be ironic if he got beat up by asians at MLG.
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Have you ever been to an NBA, NHL, NFL game live? Have you ever sat close enough to actually here the players talk to each other?
OMG if you hear the shit professional athletes say to each other during a game (especially NHL in my experience) your mouth would either drop, or have the biggest grin.
Pro athletes shit talk. Pro athletes will shit talk realllllly badly. Refs usually don't give a fuck unless it looks like it will get into a physical altercation.
My opinion? Don't get your panties up in a bunch unless a true physical/life threat occurs. And I say this in the most respectful manner man.
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