EPTWhat did he say? you've drawn my curiousity
Is it okay to say extreme stuff over game? - Page 4
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BigBadBeaver
Canada272 Posts
What did he say? you've drawn my curiousity | ||
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On September 25 2011 17:09 Bonkerz wrote: I pm'd you about But basically from a standpoint of a spectator/sponsor/investor OUTSIDE of our community/gaming scene how can we be taken seriously with stuff like this being said between players... The same way any other organization, sport, competition, event does it. By focusing on the better side of things. Only those who go looking for issues usually find these issues, in which case they're probably inclined not to join in on this "scene". If this issue you're naming was so huge, immediate and a dire issue, then yes, this conversation would feel so much more relevant and potentially revolutionary. | ||
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RuMCaKe
United States559 Posts
Spades, lets have a beer at Orlando  | ||
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sandg
Australia123 Posts
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karlmengsk
Canada230 Posts
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Bonkerz
United States831 Posts
On September 25 2011 17:12 Torte de Lini wrote: The same way any other organization, sport, competition, event does it. By focusing on the better side of things. Only those who go looking for issues usually find these issues, in which case they're probably inclined not to join in on this "scene". If this issue you're naming was so huge, immediate and a dire issue, then yes, this conversation would feel so much more relevant and potentially revolutionary. Why would you not try to prevent something like this rather than say lets wait till it happens? The best defense a good offense we need to realize that there is a big chance that more stuff like this will happen, but players need to know that there will be repercussions.... Which is why i still feel that the best way to deal with this would be an organization between all big tournaments. | ||
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
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darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
2) morality - eh, debatable. Obviously to insult someone is to try and hurt them with words. Definitely not good but.. not bad enough to impose your will on them (to prevent them from doing it), IMO. 3) thickness of skin - It's the internet, people are assholes. People will say horrible things, it is their right. Be a man and tough it out. What difference is it if some kid calls you a faggot in the playground or in the cafeteria, or over the internet? The answer is that there is no difference. Basically, sorry you got shit talked but i don't think this kind of discussion is in the best interest of a free and open internet. And, a free and open internet is one of the few things left in the world worth protecting with our lives. Kind of a tangent, but if you start telling people what they can and cannot say, you're making a more grave moral wrong than they would be for saying bad things. Should it be allowed in Tournaments? I like it personally, but I can understand if sponsors wouldn't want that sort of thing going on. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On September 25 2011 17:14 Bonkerz wrote: Why would you not try to prevent something like this rather than say lets wait till it happens? The best defense a good offense we need to realize that there is a big chance that more stuff like this will happen, but players need to know that there will be repercussions.... Which is why i still feel that the best way to deal with this would be an organization between all big tournaments. Prevent what? You can't prevent it. I just said that. You can only deter it or punish those who do it. I'm just repeating myself here. I said there are disciplinary actions from tournament organizers and teams due to the pressures of their sponsors? So what are you saying? I said this last time and you ignored me. I said that the issue was minor and had rare exceptions and you ignored it. I said that you had one anecdotal issue with Jedigamer in a private conversation and you ignored it. I said Spades was an exception as well and look, he came back, apologized and the other team accepts it and realizes that these are just rarities of lapsed judgement. You ignored that too. YOU CAN'T PREVENT PEOPLE FROM EXPRESSING THEMSELVES, YOU CAN ONLY PUNISH OR DETER IT. The higher the punishment, the more people will restrain themselves, but there are already so few forms or events of major life-threatening instances. I can't even think of one instance at a live event where someone actually not only threatened the other player, but follow-up on it. And it's deterred by the community's high standards and probably topics like this that scrutinize the smallest and one-time issues that arise on a very rare occasion. | ||
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Bonkerz
United States831 Posts
On September 25 2011 17:16 darkscream wrote: 1) freedom of speech - yes, i can say whatever i want as long as it is not declaration of intent to harm 2) morality - eh, debatable. Obviously to insult someone is to try and hurt them with words. Definitely not good but.. not bad enough to impose your will on them (to prevent them from doing it), IMO. 3) thickness of skin - It's the internet, people are assholes. People will say horrible things, it is their right. Be a man and tough it out. What difference is it if some kid calls you a faggot in the playground or in the cafeteria, or over the internet? The answer is that there is no difference. Basically, sorry you got shit talked but i don't think this kind of discussion is in the best interest of a free and open internet. And, a free and open internet is one of the few things left in the world worth protecting with our lives. Kind of a tangent, but if you start telling people what they can and cannot say, you're making a more grave moral wrong than they would be for saying bad things. Should it be allowed in Tournaments? I like it personally, but I can understand if sponsors wouldn't want that sort of thing going on. This argument has shifted a ton, a mod should probably rename the thread but basically from a scene enthusiast wouldn't you agree that this hurts it? How can we be taken seriously, you should probably read the last 3 pages. :-) | ||
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Russano
United States434 Posts
It's your fault if you let random people bother you. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On September 25 2011 17:18 Bonkerz wrote: This argument has shifted a ton, a mod should probably rename the thread but basically from a scene enthusiast wouldn't you agree that this hurts it? How can we be taken seriously, you should probably read the last 3 pages. :-) Lol, no it didn't. It's the same as before .__. I just named how we could be taken seriously, why do you repeat the same questions? I liked you in the CraftCup a lot, but this topic really has me scratching my head. | ||
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VPCursed
1044 Posts
On September 25 2011 16:20 Bonkerz wrote: Here we go spades being racist and physical threat how can be taken seriously with this stuff going on? http://imgur.com/TQKVz Quote from Its Gosu Manager What triggered this thread was that a semi pro/ high level terran on NA ladder on skype told me i should go kill myself which lead me to think about the question. The fact that we see pro players threatening each other when we as a community are still trying to gain legitimacy outside of the gaming world. For our game what we love,to go to the next level, do we need people to mature. In other sports such as baseball or football, people dont say shit like this because it is a THREAT, and over the interenet it is no different, I doubt that anybody would come up to my face and tell me to kill myself. Yeah sorry if this has been discussed but i feel it's worth a thread, What do you guys think? Bonkerz lol... Can only imagine a world when police took every e-threat serious. | ||
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zeOllie
Australia486 Posts
honestly, i think spades should get some sort of punishment for this. you don't make these threats and then 'forget about it'. shit like this shouldn't be acceptable. | ||
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Synapze
Canada563 Posts
On September 25 2011 17:18 Russano wrote: It's the internet, if this is problamatic for you, you better get used to it instead of being an insecure child who needs approval from random internet trolls. It's your fault if you let random people bother you. Lol Russano, for anyone who doesnt know.. is the most BM toss (next to combatex maybe?) on NA. - Spades was obviously provoked, Hwangsin was being an asshole. Spades knew in real life that hwangsin wouldn't talk like that to his face, so he made a point of reminding him that. Everyone is aware tempers flare in sc2, especially after a tough loss. Hwangsin should be apologizing as well, for antagonizing and disrespecting Spades as a player. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On September 25 2011 17:23 zeOllie wrote: You know you can report these players on b.net as a real life threat. honestly, i think spades should get some sort of punishment for this. you don't make these threats and then 'forget about it'. shit like this shouldn't be acceptable. It happened on skype, which he can do as well. Agreed to be honest. | ||
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itkovian
United States1763 Posts
But obviously, to grow a respectable reputation the gaming community has to step up a bit and cool down the aggressive tones. | ||
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
As long as Spades behaves at MLG, then I don't care if he's in a pissy mood on the ladder. Sure, it's a bit idiotic to be seriously insulting people in any scenario, but it's not the end of the world that he raged on SC2. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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Synapze
Canada563 Posts
On September 25 2011 17:30 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: Seeing as I play on Xbox Live (where the BM makes SC2 players look like fine high-class gentlemen) besides PC, BM really doesn't mean much to me as long as it's not in competitive, formal, professional play. As long as Spades behaves at MLG, then I don't care if he's in a pissy mood on the ladder. Sure, it's a bit idiotic to be seriously insulting people in any scenario, but it's not the end of the world that he raged on SC2. I agree with this completely on the ladder part, however.. I think this was for a tournament. In tournaments (small or large) professional players should conduct themselves as such. Both hwangsin and spades were at fault. | ||
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