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On September 24 2011 04:55 fortheGG wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 04:54 Mohdoo wrote:
Its really surprising that they would try to compare the EU ladder to the Korean ladder when every European who has gone to Korea to practice has said that the Korean ladder is much harder. Jinro, HuK, Sase have all said this, to name a few.
Na'Vi sounds like a joke of an organization if they can't even get their facts straight. How obvious is it that they would prefer European players? That doesnt mean they think 100 kr = 100 eu it's just that they want either a)good american b)good european c)good korean players. They can't set it at 500 kr because then they would be swamped with requests.
100 kr isn't going to get you a mere good Korean player. That's asking for a foreign scene bonjwa. Like Naniwa said on page 5, top 100 KR > top 1 EU/NA.
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That post did not reply to you now, did it?
You didn't reply to him. You referred to his team. Practically the same thing.
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On September 24 2011 04:54 Mohdoo wrote:
Its really surprising that they would try to compare the EU ladder to the Korean ladder when every European who has gone to Korea to practice has said that the Korean ladder is much harder. Jinro, HuK, Sase have all said this, to name a few.
Na'Vi sounds like a joke of an organization if they can't even get their facts straight.
Why has no-one thought about the fact that Na'vi are maybe more interested in EU players? This is probably the reason they set the higher requirements for NA and KR, they are just more interested in EU players.
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On September 24 2011 05:18 Roggay wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 04:54 Mohdoo wrote:
Its really surprising that they would try to compare the EU ladder to the Korean ladder when every European who has gone to Korea to practice has said that the Korean ladder is much harder. Jinro, HuK, Sase have all said this, to name a few.
Na'Vi sounds like a joke of an organization if they can't even get their facts straight. Why has no-one thought about the fact that Na'vi are maybe more interested in EU players? This is probably the reason they set the higher requirements for NA and KR, they are just more interested in EU players.
Because that would require logic and brain usage.
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On September 24 2011 05:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 05:04 ondik wrote:On September 24 2011 04:46 Sbrubbles wrote:
Edit: oops I don't know why you edited it, but i will reply anyway. No, he's not right. There's NO recruting via ladder, it's just one of things you need if you want to apply. It's not like "if you're top10 we take you asap, if you're top50 you have a chance, if you're top100 it will be hard". It's just minimum boundary. Do you think they would take Deezer if he was the highest ranked player from all that applied? Of course not. This would NEVER EVER be an issue if they didn't mention top20 NA/top100 EU which brought bunch of butthurt NA players (just go through the topic and see who got mad about it). btw, anyone else finds it very funny and ironic that after incontrol's EU jokes on sotg he comes here defending the pride of NA server? o.O If you look at most of the people's reasons, they're not just confused because Na'Vi isn't accepting more NA people. It's because the ladder criterion exists in the first place, which is silly. It's also quite odd that they're supposedly looking for the most qualified candidates, yet they're accepting the same number of applicants from Europe as they are from Korea. They're being inconsistent over the different servers. We know that NA < EU. Stop pretending you know how everyone else is feeling when our posts aren't showing it. Thanks.
You either didn't understand the point of my reply or I don't understand yours. My point is = few NA players got angry because na'vi implies EU>NA --> they make posts about ladder criterion being stupid which they wouldn't if the criterion was 100/100/100. Or what else do you think explain majority of whinners being from NA, not EU?
Once again. I have no fucking clue why is anyone making such a deal out of it. Damn, you even have post from na'vi staff in the OP where they claim ladder WON'T MATTER MUCH. Can you give me one single reason why the existence of this criterion is bad? I really don't understand. Like which RELEVANT player does it prevent from applying? And do you think they would accept anyone not capable to make top20 NA/top100 EU? And if someone is capable of it and wants to play for them, I think this (laddering to the top) is the least he can do.
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NA vs EU is the stupidest debate ever, it's like bragging about who's the best in the fucking special olympics because we all know Korea is far superior
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If they had top 100 NA too, players such as deezer and CombatEx could have applied but now they can't since their too bad to get top 100 EU or KR.
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On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:
you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.
Boxer put up a ladder requirement when he started recruiting for Slayers. It worked out rather nicely for them wouldn't you say?
Fact is you know shit about who or how NaVi will recruit so why even bitch about it at this time?
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Actually all of my points where that there are very good players below the top 100 EU and top 100 KR and I am from NA. I also think there are quality players below top 20 in NA but the point is the requirements are dumb and they have since clarified their position. I still think the way they are doing it is funky but they are a standout organization in other games so I look forward to what they can manage in SC2.
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Navi has such a culture for winning. They just win everything lol. It seems they don't have much experience in SC2, so it's going to be quite difficult for them find much success soon. But if any team's going to do it, I would have to pick Na'Vi.
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On September 24 2011 05:14 Sina92 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 05:09 iNcontroL wrote:On September 24 2011 04:29 Sina92 wrote:On September 24 2011 04:16 hifriend wrote:On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:
you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options. Mr eg, could it possibly be that they want to build a good team from scratch with unscouted talents rather than just trying to poach players that reached excellence by training with a different team? Cause the second option is proving to be somewhat unsustainable when the amazing acquired stars start to falter under their new inferior practice environment. He's from EG, obviously he prefers poaching players in an ill mannered fashion. I like the way Na'Vi are approaching the scene, creds & props to them. Good luck to them aswell. Hey look it's the post I am speaking about.. the one where you are a dick before I ever reply to him. It was really hard to find. Did you really just say effort = results FUck I once again wasted time responding to a troll  That post did not reply to you now, did it?
No, you're right. You weren't replying to him. You were being condescending and rude by referring to him in the third person through another person's post rather than replying to him directly.
If you're going to argue with someone, at least be straightforward and honest, instead of sarcastic and snarky. Debate the argument, not the person behind it.
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iNcontrol, just ignore the trolls in here.
P.S. I love you
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On September 24 2011 05:32 Longshank wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:
you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options. Boxer put up a ladder requirement when he started recruiting for Slayers. It worked out rather nicely for them wouldn't you say? Fact is you know shit about who or how NaVi will recruit so why even bitch about it at this time?
Bitch about something he has nothing to do with like a new tournament/Mlg or a new team.
Gets called out by random people on TL for doing piss poor in tournaments.
Looks like a hero calling everyone trolls and saying they dont mean shit because people want to watch him lose every game over and over again
Cycle repeats over and over again
Anyway Gl to Navi hopefully they will get some good Korean players that are teamless and make a hell of a team.
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I am absolutely sure that Na'Vi will do alright, no matter what restrictions they set on recruiting new members. And there is no reason to quarrel about anything here. Don't know ... time will tell, as it always does. Recruiting by ladder rank at least is a good way to stop those "hi I'm bronze" applications. After all, there are many "progamers" who talk big and show no results, be it on ladder or anywhere else. Seems fine that they don't want the lazy ones, but rather those who play a lot to reach the top ranks in the ladder.
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did not appreciate the top 20 na or top 100 eu and korea. it hurts my pride
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- Desired amount of monthly salary;
Is it just me, or is this a fucked up question? If you go too low, they just rip you off. If you go too high, they just decline you.
How do you answer this? :/
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On September 24 2011 02:47 Condor Hero wrote:
LOL wtf they shitting on NA ladder.
Obviously it's known but how does it help professional organization to basically say if you're #21 on NA ladder you're too shitty for our team?
Well, they're a european team, so they are probably kind of biased because of that. I mean they are considering the european ladder to be equal to the korean ladder as well, so you can tell from that too.
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On September 24 2011 05:32 Longshank wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote:
you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options. Boxer put up a ladder requirement when he started recruiting for Slayers. It worked out rather nicely for them wouldn't you say? Fact is you know shit about who or how NaVi will recruit so why even bitch about it at this time?
That's not bitching. He just gave a comment about how he thinks it'd be best for them to recruit. It's pretty much the most appropriate comment possible in this topic. The information he knows, and we all know, about their recruitment is in the OP. The only good thing that comes out of a ladder requirement is discovering and developing new talent. If Na'Vi weren't looking to do that, then they wouldn't be willing to look at the application of every ladder hero that applies. So either they partially want to discover new talent or their ladder requirement is accomplishing nothing for them. But, as incontrol said, Na'Vi is prestigious, so it would seem that they'd want to use their history and money to build a top team ASAP. To do that, they must look at players who are dominating now, or about to dominate, not people who are at the very start of the career. Almost all such people are already on teams so it's about finding the players who would be happier on Na'Vi than on their current teams.
It's an insightful comment that actually contributes to a discussion that could be happening here. But because it's a criticism and because incontrol authored it, there's always gotta be someone who has to act like a jackass.
You could at least give a brief analysis of the similarities and differences between Slayers and Na'Vi and then argue why a recruitment process with one thing in common between them will show similar results. I can tell you one big difference: Boxer has a proven history of spotting and developing talent in SC1. Na'Vi has no one comparable.
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On September 24 2011 06:08 Buddhist wrote:Is it just me, or is this a fucked up question? If you go too low, they just rip you off. If you go too high, they just decline you. How do you answer this? :/
This is asked at all the interviews I've ever been to or on most job application forms. It's a pretty normal question, although yes you are correct - it is difficult to answer.
Basically what you do for other jobs is do research to know pretty close what you are worth, don't answer the question (ie put negotiable), or give a fairly broad range. Most of that probably applies here just like other job applications.
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Ukranians are beast in E-Sports for reasons I don't know, good luck to Na'Vi
Their Dota 2 run was hella impressive play and they deserved the win.
I don't get why people are getting so riled up on requirements, Na'Vi is a good E-sports team and they want to start a good Starcraft division, if they have no applicants then surely theyl lower the requirements. If they do, then theyl have gained a decent player to start with and can hopefully mold him in a very good player.
Why is everyone getting so riled up about this?
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