Na'Vi already has successful teams at CS and DotA(2). It is the first team in Counter-Strike history that was able to win three major tournaments in one calendar year - Intel Extreme Masters, Electronic Sports World Cup and World Cyber Games 2010. The DotA(2) team recently won a whopping 1 million dollars last August. They also have a FIFA and an existing SC2 lineup.
Achieving outstanding success in Counter Strike and DotA2, Natus Vincere is now looking for its triump oh StarCraft 2 scene. Today we are announcing top players selection for our StarCraft 2 squad for year 2012. We are looking for experienced and high-skilled players with huge motivation, excellent teamwork skills and desire to contribute to the world's most successful e-Sports organization.
What we demand:
- Top100 European / Korean ladder or Top20 American ladder; - Your running contract should expire on December, 31st, 2011 or earlier; If you meet these requirements and ready to continue your progaming career in our team, feel free to send your application to sc2@navi-gaming.com with the following information:
- Battle.net ID; - Your full name; - Desired amount of monthly salary; We will contact everyone who meet our requirements to discuss further possibilities of our cooperation.
On September 24 2011 04:19 Hireling wrote: Hello guys,
Thanks for your feedback on the news. We've noticed a lot of people here started to make unjustified conclusions about our method of recruitment and therefore we'd like to clarify some things. First of all we'd like to confirm that ladder rankings does not mean that much as you could think: this condition only determines a minimum boundary of accepted application. As always we are open for newcomers and talented players and should we find them, we would gladly cooperate to achieve the maximum results possible both for Natus Vincere as organization and for player himself.
Yet, in 2012 we are willing to build a really strong and competitive SC2 team with the help of professional StarCraft 2 players. These players will be carefully selected by our SC2 coach as well as head management according to our requirements both for the player (his skills, experience, motivation, hardworking, etc) and person (teamwork abilities, loyalness, ethics, etc). Striving for perfection has always been one of the most important keystones of Natus Vincere and Na`Vi.SC2 won't be an exception!
Announcing our recruitment plan, we just want to share this information with the community and progamers that may be actually interested in Na`Vi as well as Na`Vi is interested in SC2. Now see you in 2012 and don't forget to support us!
Bonus: Happyzerg, one of their SC2 players in Code A qualifiers filmed by Artosis
Training base for their CS players(also being used by DotA players to prepare for tournaments, So SC2 team training here can be a possibilty) can't translate though DX
A limo(?) bought by Na'Vi as a gift to their DotA(2) squad after winning a million dollars. For subtitles press "CC"
Lol @ them feeling European ladder is = to Korean ladder. Ladder hero's are not going to win them tournaments for the most part. If they throw enough money out there they should get some good talent.
considering the fact that korean who play GSL don't play ladder too seriously, yes, they are. considering the fact that american ladder is so poor in players able to compete with other, yes, they are.
LOL wtf they shitting on NA ladder. Obviously it's known but how does it help professional organization to basically say if you're #21 on NA ladder you're too shitty for our team?
On September 24 2011 02:43 archonOOid wrote: interesting, how many player will be apart of the sc2 roster?
not stated yet atm. "We will contact everyone who meet our requirements to discuss further possibilities of our cooperation" I'm not a part of Na'Vi. Just a fan. :D
On September 24 2011 02:47 Condor Hero wrote: LOL wtf they shitting on NA ladder. Obviously it's known but how does it help professional organization to basically say if you're #21 on NA ladder you're too shitty for our team?
Yeah lets keep elitism out of professional gaming...
On September 24 2011 02:47 Condor Hero wrote: LOL wtf they shitting on NA ladder. Obviously it's known but how does it help professional organization to basically say if you're #21 on NA ladder you're too shitty for our team?
Because they only want the best players on their team...? Makes sense to me
navi is a european team right? makes sense they'd try to cut down on the possible NA applicants to make sure they get the best and only those who are committed.
Fyi Navi has an SC2 team since months, their players are listed on their website. This inaccurate titles surprises me, since they themselves should be the first to know that they have a team... I smell some drama popping internally, unfortunately.
They want Europeans on the team. Europeans on an European team is marketable. They also would be lucky to get a Korean, so they're having way less tight ladder limits on them. Probably the only way they get an American on the team is if he's really, really talented and skilled.
On September 24 2011 02:50 Schenkee wrote: Interesting, but surly it should be top 20eu/na and top 100 kr :/
Lmao EU ladder shits all over NA and rapes it with no lubrication...
It is a good thing there is no cross realm ladder matches to prove this. Yes the US ladder is weaker near the top, but saying the European ladder is the same skill as the Korean ladder is pretty ignorant as well.
On September 24 2011 02:53 Kralic wrote: Natus Vincere = Born to Win
Latin names are so mid 2000's .
Another "power house" will be good for the scene though.
<Ominous Latin Name> Was always my favorite joke name for a WoW guild. Also, don't they already have sc2 players? I could have sworn I got destroyed by a zerg in Na'Vi in an online tournament.
They say that because, they are an european based team.. Thusly it doesn't make sense to force the team to take a practice or fiscal hit for a random top100 player, whereas a top 20 us player is more often than not consistently good and will likely be worth flying out to tournaments or practice houses.
On September 24 2011 02:50 Schenkee wrote: Interesting, but surly it should be top 20eu/na and top 100 kr :/
Lmao EU ladder shits all over NA and rapes it with no lubrication...
Well watching White-Ra dual stargate carrier rush and mothership rush zerg after zerg on Eu and roll them is not very convincing. Top of the Eu ladder is miles ahead of Na though.
On September 24 2011 02:56 Fionn wrote: They want Europeans on the team. Europeans on an European team is marketable. They also would be lucky to get a Korean, so they're having way less tight ladder limits on them. Probably the only way they get an American on the team is if he's really, really talented and skilled.
Yeah I think the difference in rank between servers is a priority thing. They must want more Europeans than Americans or Koreans.
On September 24 2011 02:47 Condor Hero wrote: LOL wtf they shitting on NA ladder. Obviously it's known but how does it help professional organization to basically say if you're #21 on NA ladder you're too shitty for our team?
It's their team so they can choose whatever requirements they want. Even if they seem a little off they surely have their reasons.
If I ever make a SC2 team one of the requirements will be that every candidate should be able to re-enact the Knights who say Ni scene from Monty Python's 'Holy Grail' switching on all characters.
On September 24 2011 02:56 Fionn wrote: They want Europeans on the team. Europeans on an European team is marketable. They also would be lucky to get a Korean, so they're having way less tight ladder limits on them. Probably the only way they get an American on the team is if he's really, really talented and skilled.
This makes perfect sense to me considering that they are a team based in Ukraine, so players from Ukraine, Russia, Eastern Europe, etc. will fit much better. GL to any top players that join the team. It really seems like a top tier esports team.
On September 24 2011 02:50 Schenkee wrote: Interesting, but surly it should be top 20eu/na and top 100 kr :/
Lmao EU ladder shits all over NA and rapes it with no lubrication...
It is a good thing there is no cross realm ladder matches to prove this. Yes the US ladder is weaker near the top, but saying the European ladder is the same skill as the Korean ladder is pretty ignorant as well.
I never made such claims I was merely providing opinions to a response.
Na'Vi did a freaking excellent job with both CS and Dota teams (dota team won the 1mil in august), it would be really sad for them to not get the proper attention in SC.
even the NA pros say that NA ladder is really bad and the main reason is that most NA pros ladder on EU. i think it's pretty accurate to say that eu ladder is 5 times better then NA but KR is also 10 times better then EU.
On September 24 2011 02:53 zere wrote: Fyi Navi has an SC2 team since months, their players are listed on their website. This inaccurate titles surprises me, since they themselves should be the first to know that they have a team... I smell some drama popping internally, unfortunately.
On September 24 2011 03:04 Ophi13 wrote: I've just copied the title off their FB page http://www.facebook.com/NatusVincere and I've included that they have an existing SC2 lineup in OP
Yeah sorry I didn't mean your thread title; they actually worded it themselves just like that in the English translation on their homepage.
i know their cs1.6 team has won a shit ton of money, ~300k in 1½ years? and their dota team won the dota 2 million dollars...maybe they get some good playre on sc2 too
Some people doubt the legitimacy of Na'Vi? I don't really follow CS or DotA but even then it's hard to not know them since they rip everything apart there.
Also, no one should take the ladder requirements too serious. I guess it means "if you can't make XX in ladder, then don't even try to apply." They obviously prefer (East-)European players, hence the ladder region bias.
Despite their ridiculous application system, they are an outstanding team. They do an excellent job of supporting their players and dominate other esports. No reason they won't build a world-class SC2 team.
Absolutely idiotic requirements of Top 100 Korea or EU and Top 20 of NA. There's a reason why Code B is the Top 400 of Korea... and that there are notable Korean players that are in Code B still (Just due to the level of competition within Korea).
Additionally, what's with the elitism assuming that EU is equivalent to KR? and that only the Top 20 NA can compare?
Lastly, Grandmasters ladder ranks vary so much day to day... you can be Rank 10 one day and fall down to Rank 100 if you're on Tilt and lose several games in a row regardless of region...
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I do look forward to seeing who they pick up though just due to their prior success with other games.
Lol @ tyler not knowing anything about the CS or dota scene. Na'vi is kinda legendary.
However, not sure this is the best way to step into the SC2 scene (although they already have with little success obviously).
Also ladder ranking is silly. Socke is #101 on EU right now and Vibe is #53 on NA. I am pretty sure if these players weren't taken it would be dumb of Na'vi to tell them "sorry you don't meet our ladder requirements."
They should actually scout their players instead of making up arbitrary requirements.
This is a bizarre way to assemble a pro team. Besides the fact they are asking people to apply with the criteria being based on a ladder, the fact that they equated EU to KR and NA being so inferior to EU is obnoxious.
Best of luck to them, but this isn't how I see top teams being formed in SC2.
Guys, being top 100 on eu gm probably doesn't mean you'll make na'vi, it's just step one in their recruitment process to eliminate some useless applicants. I can easily see there being some unknown talents on the high end ladder though.
And stop crying about another big organisation wanting to get more involved in sc2. You can start crying when they have assembled a team of random ladder scrubs that only know how to cannon rush and 4 gate, should that ever happen (lol).
just host a recruitment tourney. 1 you avoid looking retarded with the requirements, 2 the top prize is you get on the team and get a monthly salary so you really dont have to put up any money and 3 you stream it and actually just make $$ recruiting players
«Top 100 in America are not worse than Top 100 in Europe» In fact they are. I was playing Ret/Stalife/Strifecro on US ladder when playing random high masters on EU when I was active. US ladder has a huge skill gap between the top ladderers and the pros, because of the playstyle on the server.
But ladder requirements are stupid anyway so... :/
On September 24 2011 03:23 Snorkle wrote: Lol @ tyler not knowing anything about the CS or dota scene. Na'vi is kinda legendary.
However, not sure this is the best way to step into the SC2 scene (although they already have with little success obviously).
Also ladder ranking is silly. Socke is #101 on EU right now and Vibe is #53 on NA. I am pretty sure if these players weren't taken it would be dumb of Na'vi to tell them "sorry you don't meet our ladder requirements."
They should actually scout their players instead of making up arbitrary requirements.
It's pretty obvious those are just there to filter out and discourage bad players from applying.
Yeah because rank 101-200 (and beyond) koreans are terrible.
On September 24 2011 03:36 KimJongChill wrote: Lol, desired salary? Are they a rich team? Sounds like it.
They just won 1 million dollars in a Dota 2 tournament and have had one of the most successful 1.6 teams besides so I would say they have plenty of money.
On September 24 2011 03:23 Snorkle wrote: Lol @ tyler not knowing anything about the CS or dota scene. Na'vi is kinda legendary.
However, not sure this is the best way to step into the SC2 scene (although they already have with little success obviously).
Also ladder ranking is silly. Socke is #101 on EU right now and Vibe is #53 on NA. I am pretty sure if these players weren't taken it would be dumb of Na'vi to tell them "sorry you don't meet our ladder requirements."
They should actually scout their players instead of making up arbitrary requirements.
Agreed. They may be good in the other scenes, but they're way too arrogant (or is it ignorance?) to come up with these arbitrary requirements.
On September 24 2011 03:36 KimJongChill wrote: Lol, desired salary? Are they a rich team? Sounds like it.
They just won 1 million dollars in a Dota 2 tournament and have had one of the most successful 1.6 teams besides so I would say they have plenty of money.
nop. they are man city of esports. some rich guy formed a team couple years ago
On September 24 2011 02:51 Liquid`Tyler wrote: Whaaaaaat is that a joke name? Where do they get their name from?
oh nm I see natus vincere. wow that is really unfortunate.. they should change their tag
As a CS 1.6 player I can provide some background info on this ^_^ (Wall of Text Incoming)
Originally Na'Vi didn't mean Natus Vincere. It honestly meant nothing at all.
Players from 2 Teams (HellRaisers and KerchNET) decided to merge and form one team. This new team ended up getting sponsored by Murat 'Arbalet' Zhumashevich from Kazakhstan. A rich man who really loved esports and wanted to show that the CIS countries could compete at the highest level.
The team originally used /A/ as there tag in honor of there sponsor, but he told them they could and should pick there team name and tag since it was there team. They ended up using Na'Vi as there tag for there first even but then the players decided to turn to the community for help on there new name. They set up a contest and said they would pick the name they liked the best out of the suggestions and use that.
They ended up not falling in love with any of the suggestions, but really liked the ideas that used latin words so they found two latin words that would still fit into there old tag of Na'Vi and had meaning (Natus Vincere = Born to Win).
So originally it meant nothing and was probably just a reference to the movie Avatar (since Avatar had just come out around this time) and then they decided to give it a meaning.
TL;DR Rich Guy from Kazakhstan sponsors team of CS players from the Ukraine. Team uses Na'Vi randomly at event. Decided to let the community name the team and opened a naming contest . Didn't like any of the names but like the use of latin in some. Gave the meaningless tag a meaning.
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I think Na'Vi have a decently sized purse so the quality of players they are apply to get should be pretty high BUT! I think there qualifications are, for lack of a better word, stupid.
None the less I wish them all the luck in the world and hope they find some talented players to back :D
On September 24 2011 03:36 KimJongChill wrote: Lol, desired salary? Are they a rich team? Sounds like it.
They just won 1 million dollars in a Dota 2 tournament and have had one of the most successful 1.6 teams besides so I would say they have plenty of money.
nop. they are man city of esports. some rich guy formed a team couple years ago
On September 24 2011 02:51 Liquid`Tyler wrote: Whaaaaaat is that a joke name? Where do they get their name from?
oh nm I see natus vincere. wow that is really unfortunate.. they should change their tag
As a CS 1.6 player I can provide some background info on this ^_^
Originally Na'Vi didn't mean Natus Vincere. It honestly meant nothing at all.
Players from 2 Teams (HellRaisers and KerchNET) decided to merge and form one team. This new team ended up getting sponsored by Murat 'Arbalet' Zhumashevich from Kazakhstan. A rich man who really loved esports and wanted to show that the CIS countries could compete at the highest level.
The team originally used /A/ as there tag in honor of there sponsor, but he told them they could and should pick there team name and tag since it was there team. They ended up using Na'Vi as there tag for there first even but then the players decided to turn to the community for help on there new name. They set up a contest and said they would pick the name they liked the best out of the suggestions and use that.
They ended up not falling in love with any of the suggestions, but really liked the ideas that used latin words so they found two latin words that would still fit into there old tag of Na'Vi and had meaning (Natus Vincere = Born to Win).
So originally it meant nothing and was probably just a reference to the movie Avatar (since Avatar had just come out around this time) and then they decided to give it a meaning.
------------History lesson over------------
I think Na'Vi have a decently sized purse so the quality of players they are apply to get should be pretty high BUT! I think there qualifications are, for lack of a better word, stupid.
None the less I wish them all the luck in the world and hope they find some talented players to back :D
On September 24 2011 03:38 Felix_ wrote: weird recruitment method tbh
u mean application method - they're not in just for having a good ladder rank(i hope). not that weird...other option to buy people from other teams?? top players are in teams although if it's a pro whos "contract is expiring" like it says in the reqs, the ladde rrank shoulndt matter thats true higher req for NA = they rather want eu players (eu team)
You are getting pretty good at this game, have broken into the top of the GM, each game you play is against someone from a famous team you love watching and cheering on tournaments. You play for hours each day, you do it "solo" for you have not been active in the tournament/team scene. You are young, a newcomer! Untested. A gem?
These are requirements, nothing else. You may be TOP10 GM, and you might not get into the team. Na'Vi are a great E-sports team, they know what they want -- and it isn't to approach other teams about their players. They want someone new, someone willing to go the extra steps to prove themselves worthy. Sure most of the GM rankings are filled with people you know from long past -- members of famous teams, some who do not wish to be part of a team -- however there are people there who I, for a humble example, have never heard about. EG/Liquid/CoL/&co most likely won't even notice them, but Na'Vi are giving them a chance.
Imagine them receiving twenty applications -- one, or two, of the players might become (in a team environment) brilliant.
On September 24 2011 03:19 ViperaViRuS wrote: Absolutely idiotic requirements of Top 100 Korea or EU and Top 20 of NA. There's a reason why Code B is the Top 400 of Korea... and that there are notable Korean players that are in Code B still (Just due to the level of competition within Korea).
Additionally, what's with the elitism assuming that EU is equivalent to KR? and that only the Top 20 NA can compare?
Lastly, Grandmasters ladder ranks vary so much day to day... you can be Rank 10 one day and fall down to Rank 100 if you're on Tilt and lose several games in a row regardless of region...
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I do look forward to seeing who they pick up though just due to their prior success with other games.
Because NA ladder filled with people like Deezer, Combatex and bunch of other people who can just casually play sc2, and still be GM, same in Europe. Until GM League will not be a place of "real" pro gamers then EU and NA will fall behind. NA will fall more then EU.
No comment on the EUvsNAvsKR ladders, but to anyone bashing their extremely high standards for application, you should realize that they only want the best players and will support them like no other team can.
They are at the top in essentially every game they sponsor, and it makes sense that they want to be the best in SC2 as well. They're certainly not a team that is looking for bargain players.
The requiremnt for a ladder rank is pretty silly, basically every player in the top 20 of the NA ladder will be part of a highly reputable team, same with the top 100 Korean ladder requirement. There might be some players from the EU who meet the requirements and are interested in joining but the number shall be very small.
On September 24 2011 03:19 ViperaViRuS wrote: Absolutely idiotic requirements of Top 100 Korea or EU and Top 20 of NA. There's a reason why Code B is the Top 400 of Korea... and that there are notable Korean players that are in Code B still (Just due to the level of competition within Korea).
Additionally, what's with the elitism assuming that EU is equivalent to KR? and that only the Top 20 NA can compare?
Lastly, Grandmasters ladder ranks vary so much day to day... you can be Rank 10 one day and fall down to Rank 100 if you're on Tilt and lose several games in a row regardless of region...
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I do look forward to seeing who they pick up though just due to their prior success with other games.
Because NA ladder filled with people like Deezer, Combatex and bunch of other people who can just casually play sc2, and still be GM, same in Europe. Until GM League will not be a place of "real" pro gamers then EU and NA will fall behind. NA will fall more then EU.
While NA is easier then EU, EU is a lot easier then Korea in terms of GM. Pretty silly requirements they should go by talent not ladder as there are players who can only do good on ladder but never do well in tournaments for whatever reason ^^.
On September 24 2011 03:36 KimJongChill wrote: Lol, desired salary? Are they a rich team? Sounds like it.
They just won 1 million dollars in a Dota 2 tournament and have had one of the most successful 1.6 teams besides so I would say they have plenty of money.
Formalities, really. Natus Vincere is an Ukrainian/Russian team and will probably end up with a largely Eastern European roster, though at this point in time the best Ukrainian players (ie Strelok, Kas, etc.) probably have contracts so they can't outright recruit them. They obtained the best European Dota team via recruiting (some would say "poaching") the core players of what was considered the best European/Ukrainian Dota team at the time (DTS), so it's likely they have the bucks to make things happen.
- Top100 European / Korean ladder or Top20 American ladder;
BS! Top 100 in America are not worse than Top 100 in Europe. Also, Top 100 in Europe is way behind Top 100 in Korea!
TOP 100 in NA is worse then top 100 EU , and that even tells every of your NA pro players , like Idra , Huk , Destiny , KiwiKaki etc , they all play on EU its a fact , so let it go already.
Hmm Na Vi is from Ukraine... so maby we see Kas Dimaga etc ?
On September 24 2011 02:44 ThE_OsToJiY wrote: Interesting that you have an application system based off ladder ranking and no information on sponsorship. Will be hard to get anyone good this way.
Also, stop with the NA hate! Best cheese defenders over here!
Kidding? Na'Vi is a great team, anyone who knows games should know that. I don't think they need to mention sponsors.
On September 24 2011 03:49 ishboh wrote: so where is the pro house for navi? in russia? (is that russian characters? i am bad with recognizing foreign languages).
if so that might be why they are taking only top 20 from US, bigger flight costs and such? i dunno
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote: you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.
WTF is this... we expected EU jokes
----------------------------- They have this requirements because they mainly want european players and /or top tier players from other servers. The top 100 EU=100 KR thing that people argue about is dumb and not what they meant
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote: you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.
Mr eg, could it possibly be that they want to build a good team from scratch with unscouted talents rather than just trying to poach players that reached excellence by training with a different team? Cause the second option is proving to be somewhat unsustainable when the amazing acquired stars start to falter under their new inferior practice environment.
Thanks for your feedback on the news. We've noticed a lot of people here started to make unjustified conclusions about our method of recruitment and therefore we'd like to clarify some things. First of all we'd like to confirm that ladder rankings does not mean that much as you could think: this condition only determines a minimum boundary of accepted application. As always we are open for newcomers and talented players and should we find them, we would gladly cooperate to achieve the maximum results possible both for Natus Vincere as organization and for player himself.
Yet, in 2012 we are willing to build a really strong and competitive SC2 team with the help of professional StarCraft 2 players. These players will be carefully selected by our SC2 coach as well as head management according to our requirements both for the player (his skills, experience, motivation, hardworking, etc) and person (teamwork abilities, loyalness, ethics, etc). Striving for perfection has always been one of the most important keystones of Natus Vincere and Na`Vi.SC2 won't be an exception!
Announcing our recruitment plan, we just want to share this information with the community and progamers that may be actually interested in Na`Vi as well as Na`Vi is interested in SC2. Now see you in 2012 and don't forget to support us!
On September 24 2011 04:19 Hireling wrote: Hello guys,
Thanks for your feedback on the news. We've noticed a lot of people here started to make unjustified conclusions about our method of recruitment and therefore we'd like to clarify some things. First of all we'd like to confirm that ladder rankings does not mean that much as you could think: this condition only determines a minimum boundary of accepted application. As always we are open for newcomers and talented players and should we find them, we would gladly cooperate to achieve the maximum results possible both for Natus Vincere as organization and for player himself.
Yet, in 2012 we are willing to build a really strong and competitive SC2 team with the help of professional StarCraft 2 players. These players will be carefully selected by our SC2 coach as well as head management according to our requirements both for the player (his skills, experience, motivation, hardworking, etc) and person (teamwork abilities, loyalness, ethics, etc). Striving for perfection has always been one of the most important keystones of Natus Vincere and Na`Vi.SC2 won't be an exception!
Announcing our recruitment plan, we just want to share this information with the community and progamers that may be actually interested in Na`Vi as well as Na`Vi is interested in SC2. Now see you in 2012 and don't forget to support us!
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote: you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.
Mr eg, could it possibly be that they want to build a good team from scratch with unscouted talents rather than just trying to poach players that reached excellence by training with a different team? Cause the second option is proving to be somewhat unsustainable when the amazing acquired stars start to falter under their new inferior practice environment.
He's from EG, obviously he prefers poaching players in an ill mannered fashion.
I like the way Na'Vi are approaching the scene, creds & props to them. Good luck to them aswell.
Just curious, what if a player like Nestea applies? I believe he has said that he doesn't care about Ladder and just screws around on it. Especially in korea, there are players that are top tier but just don't care much about ladder so they are not that high in ladder. I believe I remember seeing that IMMVP was only rank 1 masters on Korea.
Just because they want top 20 NA/top 100 EU/top 100 KR doesn't mean they think that's where each of them are roughly equal.
It could just be that they want to focus on EU, so they have stricter requirements for NA/KR (yes 100 KR is stricter than 100 EU).
I mean most of their players are from eastern europe and their activities are all in that area, so of course they are more lenient on their EU applicants.
On September 24 2011 04:30 generalyao wrote: Just curious, what if a player like Nestea applies? I believe he has said that he doesn't care about Ladder and just screws around on it. Especially in korea, there are players that are top tier but just don't care much about ladder so they are not that high in ladder. I believe I remember seeing that IMMVP was only rank 1 masters on Korea.
I can't tell if you are serious... I'm sure they know the players and the scene.
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote: you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.
Mr eg, could it possibly be that they want to build a good team from scratch with unscouted talents rather than just trying to poach players that reached excellence by training with a different team? Cause the second option is proving to be somewhat unsustainable when the amazing acquired stars start to falter under their new inferior practice environment.
Bad timing I guess but 2 posts after yours it becomes evident why you are better off not arguing with progamers about progaming and just listening a bit more.
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote: you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote: you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.
Mr eg, could it possibly be that they want to build a good team from scratch with unscouted talents rather than just trying to poach players that reached excellence by training with a different team? Cause the second option is proving to be somewhat unsustainable when the amazing acquired stars start to falter under their new inferior practice environment.
He's from EG, obviously he prefers poaching players in an ill mannered fashion.
I like the way Na'Vi are approaching the scene, creds & props to them. Good luck to them aswell.
Hey look it's a guy from the forum! Obviously he prefers to make dick posts and contribute nothing while trying to drive away actual intimate perspective!
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote: you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.
Mr eg, could it possibly be that they want to build a good team from scratch with unscouted talents rather than just trying to poach players that reached excellence by training with a different team? Cause the second option is proving to be somewhat unsustainable when the amazing acquired stars start to falter under their new inferior practice environment.
There are plenty of unscouted talents that can be gathered through small/local tournaments. These reflect a lot more the player's predisposition to play professionally then ladder ranking.
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote: you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.
Mr eg, could it possibly be that they want to build a good team from scratch with unscouted talents rather than just trying to poach players that reached excellence by training with a different team? Cause the second option is proving to be somewhat unsustainable when the amazing acquired stars start to falter under their new inferior practice environment.
Bad timing I guess but 2 posts after yours it becomes evident why you are better off not arguing with progamers about progaming and just listening a bit more.
I'm sure if a pro player approached them they would take him seriously, regardless of his ladder record. You should know this. Also, last time I checked, progamers won a few games now and then. Big talkers who can't perform is just humorous and slightly sad.
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote: you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.
Mr eg, could it possibly be that they want to build a good team from scratch with unscouted talents rather than just trying to poach players that reached excellence by training with a different team? Cause the second option is proving to be somewhat unsustainable when the amazing acquired stars start to falter under their new inferior practice environment.
Bad timing I guess but 2 posts after yours it becomes evident why you are better off not arguing with progamers about progaming and just listening a bit more.
I'm sure if a pro player approached them they would take him seriously, regardless of his ladder record. You should know this. Also, last time I checked, progamers won a few games now and then. Big talkers who can't perform is just humorous and slightly sad.
Seriously? You want to call me out for my performance in MLG seeding and progaming when you are a scrub who sits on the forum and shit talks people that put their lives into this game? Really?
When was the last time you won ANY match that people care about? In my worst slump I beat choya / drewbie and others.. these are people you couldn't get a game with because nobody cares about you. but if you could you'd go 0-100 against them.
Sorry to bust out the thunder stick on you but you seem to be a special form of bad so I needed to put you in your place real quick.
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote: you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.
Mr eg, could it possibly be that they want to build a good team from scratch with unscouted talents rather than just trying to poach players that reached excellence by training with a different team? Cause the second option is proving to be somewhat unsustainable when the amazing acquired stars start to falter under their new inferior practice environment.
Bad timing I guess but 2 posts after yours it becomes evident why you are better off not arguing with progamers about progaming and just listening a bit more.
I wouldn't argue with you over the game itself in a million years but all the things surrounding pro-gaming and the scene I wouldn't necessarily take your word as absolute truth. Opinions differ between pro's, don't they? Appeal to authority ftw.
It's way too early for you (and everyone else) to come in here and start complaining about their recruitment process. As he said the ladder ranking is essentially just a minimum requirement put in place in order to weed out some of the potential applicants.
On September 24 2011 03:59 Dattish wrote: Everyone keeps loling at Na'Vi, and then when they least expect it they end up crushing everything. Their CS and Dota teams says it all.
CS =/= SC2...
And their requirements show that they haven't put in the proper research to even look at the right groups of people >.>
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote: you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.
Mr eg, could it possibly be that they want to build a good team from scratch with unscouted talents rather than just trying to poach players that reached excellence by training with a different team? Cause the second option is proving to be somewhat unsustainable when the amazing acquired stars start to falter under their new inferior practice environment.
Bad timing I guess but 2 posts after yours it becomes evident why you are better off not arguing with progamers about progaming and just listening a bit more.
I wouldn't argue with you over the game itself in a million years but all the things surrounding pro-gaming and the scene I wouldn't necessarily take your word as absolute truth. Opinions differ between pro's, don't they? Appeal to authority ftw.
I didn't say you can only listen to progamers. I said you might benefit from listening a bit more.. this is evident here. You tried to be a dick and take a jab at EG when I said this method of recruiting was bad. They (Na'vi) clarified that indeed I was correct, ladder rank is a bottom line not the defining factor).
It gets old each time I post on this forum some random dude can't just address my point but instead has to attack my team, me, my performance etc.. this place was my home before you knew what SC was. I hate that I share it with a bunch of 13 year old haters now.
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote: you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.
Mr eg, could it possibly be that they want to build a good team from scratch with unscouted talents rather than just trying to poach players that reached excellence by training with a different team? Cause the second option is proving to be somewhat unsustainable when the amazing acquired stars start to falter under their new inferior practice environment.
He's from EG, obviously he prefers poaching players in an ill mannered fashion.
I like the way Na'Vi are approaching the scene, creds & props to them. Good luck to them aswell.
1. Irrelevant 2. Uncalled for 3. Wrong
The top three reasons why your post is useless.
Anyways, I hope Na'Vi actually makes it big in SC2. It would be interesting to have another big team to compete with the others.
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote: you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.
Mr eg, could it possibly be that they want to build a good team from scratch with unscouted talents rather than just trying to poach players that reached excellence by training with a different team? Cause the second option is proving to be somewhat unsustainable when the amazing acquired stars start to falter under their new inferior practice environment.
Bad timing I guess but 2 posts after yours it becomes evident why you are better off not arguing with progamers about progaming and just listening a bit more.
I'm sure if a pro player approached them they would take him seriously, regardless of his ladder record. You should know this. Also, last time I checked, progamers won a few games now and then. Big talkers who can't perform is just humorous and slightly sad.
Seriously? You want to call me out for my performance in MLG seeding and progaming when you are a scrub who sits on the forum and shit talks people that put their lives into this game? Really?
When was the last time you won ANY match that people care about? In my worst slump I beat choya / drewbie and others.. these are people you couldn't get a game with because nobody cares about you. but if you could you'd go 0-100 against them.
Sorry to bust out the thunder stick on you but you seem to be a special form of bad so I needed to put you in your place real quick.
First of all I'd like for you to relax.
Now that you're calm, you can think rationally.
You don't know anything about my in game performances. I'm a high master on EU servers, so nothing to brag about. Then again, I don't "put my life" into this game (yet hopefully :D). Also, I don't go on forums and shit talk people. I gave my honest opinion about YOU because you bm'd a user in this thread and told him to listen more (indicating that he should listen to progamers, in this case you). IMO you are not one to be telling people to listen to others, in fact very few should do that. He was expressing himself and you ought to respect that.
Also, I'd gladly 1v1 you any day and claim that "match that people care about". PM me for my user info if interested :-).
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote: you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.
Mr eg, could it possibly be that they want to build a good team from scratch with unscouted talents rather than just trying to poach players that reached excellence by training with a different team? Cause the second option is proving to be somewhat unsustainable when the amazing acquired stars start to falter under their new inferior practice environment.
Bad timing I guess but 2 posts after yours it becomes evident why you are better off not arguing with progamers about progaming and just listening a bit more.
I wouldn't argue with you over the game itself in a million years but all the things surrounding pro-gaming and the scene I wouldn't necessarily take your word as absolute truth. Opinions differ between pro's, don't they? Appeal to authority ftw.
I didn't say you can only listen to progamers. I said you might benefit from listening a bit more.. this is evident here. You tried to be a dick and take a jab at EG when I said this method of recruiting was bad. They (Na'vi) clarified that indeed I was correct, ladder rank is a bottom line not the defining factor).
It gets old each time I post on this forum some random dude can't just address my point but instead has to attack my team, me, my performance etc.. this place was my home before you knew what SC was. I hate that I share it with a bunch of 13 year old haters now.
Well, maybe that was a bit unnecessary, but somewhere in there I had a point I was trying to bring forth as well. Why would you criticize their recruitment process, which is something I can only assume you know fairly little about, if you can't take a small jab at the way eg recruits?
It's annoying that a big organisation announces that they would like to get more involved with sc2, and everyone just starts bitching about some arbitrary minimum requirement they put in place.
For the record I've been playing starcraft since it's very release.
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote: you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.
Mr eg, could it possibly be that they want to build a good team from scratch with unscouted talents rather than just trying to poach players that reached excellence by training with a different team? Cause the second option is proving to be somewhat unsustainable when the amazing acquired stars start to falter under their new inferior practice environment.
Bad timing I guess but 2 posts after yours it becomes evident why you are better off not arguing with progamers about progaming and just listening a bit more.
I'm sure if a pro player approached them they would take him seriously, regardless of his ladder record. You should know this. Also, last time I checked, progamers won a few games now and then. Big talkers who can't perform is just humorous and slightly sad.
Seriously? You want to call me out for my performance in MLG seeding and progaming when you are a scrub who sits on the forum and shit talks people that put their lives into this game? Really?
When was the last time you won ANY match that people care about? In my worst slump I beat choya / drewbie and others.. these are people you couldn't get a game with because nobody cares about you. but if you could you'd go 0-100 against them.
Sorry to bust out the thunder stick on you but you seem to be a special form of bad so I needed to put you in your place real quick.
First of all I'd like for you to relax.
Now that you're calm, you can think rationally.
You don't know anything about my in game performances. I'm a high master on EU servers, so nothing to brag about. Then again, I don't "put my life" into this game (yet hopefully :D). Also, I don't go on forums and shit talk people. I gave my honest opinion about YOU because you bm'd a user in this thread and told him to listen more (indicating that he should listen to progamers, in this case you). IMO you are not one to be telling people to listen to others, in fact very few should do that. He was expressing himself and you ought to respect that.
Also, I'd gladly 1v1 you any day and claim that "match that people care about". PM me for my user info if interested :-).
You're being an asshole to a guy who's defending his team and you tell him to calm down and think rationally?
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote: you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.
Mr eg, could it possibly be that they want to build a good team from scratch with unscouted talents rather than just trying to poach players that reached excellence by training with a different team? Cause the second option is proving to be somewhat unsustainable when the amazing acquired stars start to falter under their new inferior practice environment.
Bad timing I guess but 2 posts after yours it becomes evident why you are better off not arguing with progamers about progaming and just listening a bit more.
I'm sure if a pro player approached them they would take him seriously, regardless of his ladder record. You should know this. Also, last time I checked, progamers won a few games now and then. Big talkers who can't perform is just humorous and slightly sad.
Seriously? You want to call me out for my performance in MLG seeding and progaming when you are a scrub who sits on the forum and shit talks people that put their lives into this game? Really?
When was the last time you won ANY match that people care about? In my worst slump I beat choya / drewbie and others.. these are people you couldn't get a game with because nobody cares about you. but if you could you'd go 0-100 against them.
Sorry to bust out the thunder stick on you but you seem to be a special form of bad so I needed to put you in your place real quick.
First of all I'd like for you to relax.
Now that you're calm, you can think rationally.
You don't know anything about my in game performances. I'm a high master on EU servers, so nothing to brag about. Then again, I don't "put my life" into this game (yet hopefully :D). Also, I don't go on forums and shit talk people. I gave my honest opinion about YOU because you bm'd a user in this thread and told him to listen more (indicating that he should listen to progamers, in this case you). IMO you are not one to be telling people to listen to others, in fact very few should do that. He was expressing himself and you ought to respect that.
Also, I'd gladly 1v1 you any day and claim that "match that people care about". PM me for my user info if interested :-).
check your inbox buddy it's coming any second now!! Keep checking bawwwwwdy
Don't see why people are overreacting, these guys are the EG of CS/Dota. They have the best teams and send them everywhere. The minimums they set are so that people apply as opposed to them 'stealing' players of other teams, which given the amount of drama with almost every 'purchase' might be viable alternative.
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote: you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.
Mr eg, could it possibly be that they want to build a good team from scratch with unscouted talents rather than just trying to poach players that reached excellence by training with a different team? Cause the second option is proving to be somewhat unsustainable when the amazing acquired stars start to falter under their new inferior practice environment.
He's from EG, obviously he prefers poaching players in an ill mannered fashion.
I like the way Na'Vi are approaching the scene, creds & props to them. Good luck to them aswell.
Hey look it's a guy from the forum! Obviously he prefers to make dick posts and contribute nothing while trying to drive away actual intimate perspective!
Am I doing it right?
You shouldn't take this personally, you of all people should remember what it is to make fun of people like killer/backho when they could have stomped the entire foreign scene.
Its really surprising that they would try to compare the EU ladder to the Korean ladder when every European who has gone to Korea to practice has said that the Korean ladder is much harder. Jinro, HuK, Sase have all said this, to name a few.
Na'Vi sounds like a joke of an organization if they can't even get their facts straight.
On September 24 2011 04:54 Mohdoo wrote: Its really surprising that they would try to compare the EU ladder to the Korean ladder when every European who has gone to Korea to practice has said that the Korean ladder is much harder. Jinro, HuK, Sase have all said this, to name a few.
Na'Vi sounds like a joke of an organization if they can't even get their facts straight.
How obvious is it that they would prefer European players?
That doesnt mean they think 100 kr = 100 eu it's just that they want either a)good american b)good european c)good korean players. They can't set it at 500 kr because then they would be swamped with requests.
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote: you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.
Mr eg, could it possibly be that they want to build a good team from scratch with unscouted talents rather than just trying to poach players that reached excellence by training with a different team? Cause the second option is proving to be somewhat unsustainable when the amazing acquired stars start to falter under their new inferior practice environment.
Bad timing I guess but 2 posts after yours it becomes evident why you are better off not arguing with progamers about progaming and just listening a bit more.
I'm sure if a pro player approached them they would take him seriously, regardless of his ladder record. You should know this. Also, last time I checked, progamers won a few games now and then. Big talkers who can't perform is just humorous and slightly sad.
Seriously? You want to call me out for my performance in MLG seeding and progaming when you are a scrub who sits on the forum and shit talks people that put their lives into this game? Really?
When was the last time you won ANY match that people care about? In my worst slump I beat choya / drewbie and others.. these are people you couldn't get a game with because nobody cares about you. but if you could you'd go 0-100 against them.
Sorry to bust out the thunder stick on you but you seem to be a special form of bad so I needed to put you in your place real quick.
First of all I'd like for you to relax.
Now that you're calm, you can think rationally.
You don't know anything about my in game performances. I'm a high master on EU servers, so nothing to brag about. Then again, I don't "put my life" into this game (yet hopefully :D). Also, I don't go on forums and shit talk people. I gave my honest opinion about YOU because you bm'd a user in this thread and told him to listen more (indicating that he should listen to progamers, in this case you). IMO you are not one to be telling people to listen to others, in fact very few should do that. He was expressing himself and you ought to respect that.
Also, I'd gladly 1v1 you any day and claim that "match that people care about". PM me for my user info if interested :-).
Hey,
you posted to me before I ever replied to him. SO NO you weren't bm'ing me because I bm'd him. You are an idiot who either is lying on a forum where we have text to go off of OR you are a time traveler who KNEW I would respond to him so you pre posted in response to my post in the future???
But that is all an explanation I don't owe you. I don't have to know anything about your in game performance to know all I need to know about you. You realize the fact I don't know ANYTHING about you IS my point? I am on two shows where we discuss SC2. I literally do SC2 12~14 hours a day where all I do is consume content / play.
You then attack my performance after attacking my team saying I shouldn't have a word or something. I am giving you far more attention than you deserve but seriously.. after having your actions laid out for you is it at all ambiguous how wrong you are?
On September 24 2011 04:54 Mohdoo wrote: Its really surprising that they would try to compare the EU ladder to the Korean ladder when every European who has gone to Korea to practice has said that the Korean ladder is much harder.
Na'Vi sounds like a joke of an organization if they can't even get their facts straight.
They imply that euro and korean servers are superior then NA... which is true... They are european and know that the korean server has the best players. I don't think they need someone who jumps to conclusions, as a fan anywho.
GL to Na'Vi with their recruitment and hope to see you guys in the new year.
Another organization giving more opportunities for players to grow.
On September 24 2011 04:54 Mohdoo wrote: Its really surprising that they would try to compare the EU ladder to the Korean ladder when every European who has gone to Korea to practice has said that the Korean ladder is much harder. Jinro, HuK, Sase have all said this, to name a few.
Na'Vi sounds like a joke of an organization if they can't even get their facts straight.
That joke organization just won $1.000.000 in a tournament other than CS, and has the most stable CS team for the last years.
It's their organization, it's their call to recruit whether from ladder or their eye-colours and it's a nice thing they are acknowledging team liquid and posting about their initiatives. It's not their job or responsibility to satisfy forum readers with their ways.
On September 24 2011 04:46 Sbrubbles wrote: Edit: oops
I don't know why you edited it, but i will reply anyway.
No, he's not right. There's NO recruting via ladder, it's just one of things you need if you want to apply. It's not like "if you're top10 we take you asap, if you're top50 you have a chance, if you're top100 it will be hard". It's just minimum boundary. Do you think they would take Deezer if he was the highest ranked player from all that applied? Of course not.
This would NEVER EVER be an issue if they didn't mention top20 NA/top100 EU which brought bunch of butthurt NA players (just go through the topic and see who got mad about it).
btw, anyone else finds it very funny and ironic that after incontrol's EU jokes on sotg he comes here defending the pride of NA server?
Ladder hardly means anything, the qualifications are absolutely retarded. They should be buying established players like complexity is, instead of searching for ladder heroes like combat ex and PiQLiQ
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote: you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.
Mr eg, could it possibly be that they want to build a good team from scratch with unscouted talents rather than just trying to poach players that reached excellence by training with a different team? Cause the second option is proving to be somewhat unsustainable when the amazing acquired stars start to falter under their new inferior practice environment.
Bad timing I guess but 2 posts after yours it becomes evident why you are better off not arguing with progamers about progaming and just listening a bit more.
I'm sure if a pro player approached them they would take him seriously, regardless of his ladder record. You should know this. Also, last time I checked, progamers won a few games now and then. Big talkers who can't perform is just humorous and slightly sad.
Seriously? You want to call me out for my performance in MLG seeding and progaming when you are a scrub who sits on the forum and shit talks people that put their lives into this game? Really?
When was the last time you won ANY match that people care about? In my worst slump I beat choya / drewbie and others.. these are people you couldn't get a game with because nobody cares about you. but if you could you'd go 0-100 against them.
Sorry to bust out the thunder stick on you but you seem to be a special form of bad so I needed to put you in your place real quick.
First of all I'd like for you to relax.
Now that you're calm, you can think rationally.
You don't know anything about my in game performances. I'm a high master on EU servers, so nothing to brag about. Then again, I don't "put my life" into this game (yet hopefully :D). Also, I don't go on forums and shit talk people. I gave my honest opinion about YOU because you bm'd a user in this thread and told him to listen more (indicating that he should listen to progamers, in this case you). IMO you are not one to be telling people to listen to others, in fact very few should do that. He was expressing himself and you ought to respect that.
Also, I'd gladly 1v1 you any day and claim that "match that people care about". PM me for my user info if interested :-).
Hey,
you posted to me before I ever replied to him. SO NO you weren't bm'ing me because I bm'd him. You are an idiot who either is lying on a forum where we have text to go off of OR you are a time traveler who KNEW I would respond to him so you pre posted in response to my post in the future???
But that is all an explanation I don't owe you. I don't have to know anything about your in game performance to know all I need to know about you. You realize the fact I don't know ANYTHING about you IS my point? I am on two shows where we discuss SC2. I literally do SC2 12~14 hours a day where all I do is consume content / play.
You then attack my performance after attacking my team saying I shouldn't have a word or something. I am giving you far more attention than you deserve but seriously.. after having your actions laid out for you is it at all ambiguous how wrong you are?
04:35 is when you replied to him;
04:38 is when I replied to your reply (to him)
Nice story about time travelling though .
And about your performance; I do realize how much hard work you have to put into SC2 in order to maintain a pro level, but seeing as you've obviously not put enough effort into it (if effort = results), I don't think its fair for you to tell people when to speak and when to listen. Nor would it be fair for any other pro player. I understand that you're a long time member and that his was your home before we 13 year olds invaded, but the world, aswell as Team Liquid changes. The sooner you adapt the sooner you'll be OK about it.
On September 24 2011 04:48 JiYan wrote: yea i think the top 20 / top 100 thing is just because theyre EU based maybe?
I could see this as a reason to restrict to only top 20 NA ladder. They are a euro team and are probably looking for a primarily euro based team, but are willing to negotiate with higher caliber NA players, or maybe they do have a bias against NA ladder. Who knows. Either way, I hope they form a solid team of players that can win multiple CraftCup EU titles.
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote: you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.
Mr eg, could it possibly be that they want to build a good team from scratch with unscouted talents rather than just trying to poach players that reached excellence by training with a different team? Cause the second option is proving to be somewhat unsustainable when the amazing acquired stars start to falter under their new inferior practice environment.
He's from EG, obviously he prefers poaching players in an ill mannered fashion.
I like the way Na'Vi are approaching the scene, creds & props to them. Good luck to them aswell.
Hey look it's the post I am speaking about.. the one where you are a dick before I ever reply to him. It was really hard to find.
Did you really just say effort = results
FUck I once again wasted time responding to a troll
On September 24 2011 04:54 Mohdoo wrote: Its really surprising that they would try to compare the EU ladder to the Korean ladder when every European who has gone to Korea to practice has said that the Korean ladder is much harder. Jinro, HuK, Sase have all said this, to name a few.
Na'Vi sounds like a joke of an organization if they can't even get their facts straight.
Where did they say EU ladder = Korea ladder?
All that statement meant is that they want to recruit a player who is in top 100 KR ladder and top 100 EU ladder.If they end up recruting someone ranked 50 KR and 50 EU , doesn't mean NAVI thinks they are equally skilled.
On September 24 2011 04:46 Sbrubbles wrote: Edit: oops
I don't know why you edited it, but i will reply anyway.
No, he's not right. There's NO recruting via ladder, it's just one of things you need if you want to apply. It's not like "if you're top10 we take you asap, if you're top50 you have a chance, if you're top100 it will be hard". It's just minimum boundary. Do you think they would take Deezer if he was the highest ranked player from all that applied? Of course not.
This would NEVER EVER be an issue if they didn't mention top20 NA/top100 EU which brought bunch of butthurt NA players (just go through the topic and see who got mad about it).
btw, anyone else finds it very funny and ironic that after incontrol's EU jokes on sotg he comes here defending the pride of NA server?
o.O If you look at most of the people's reasons, they're not just confused because Na'Vi isn't accepting more NA people.
It's because the ladder criterion exists in the first place, which is silly. It's also quite odd that they're supposedly looking for the most qualified candidates, yet they're accepting the same number of applicants from Europe as they are from Korea. They're being inconsistent over the different servers.
We know that NA < EU. Stop pretending you know how everyone else is feeling when our posts aren't showing it. Thanks.
Considering Na'Vi is one of the few Dota teams that can compete against the dominant Chinese teams, maybe they can give the Korean SC2 teams a run for their money.
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote: you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.
Mr eg, could it possibly be that they want to build a good team from scratch with unscouted talents rather than just trying to poach players that reached excellence by training with a different team? Cause the second option is proving to be somewhat unsustainable when the amazing acquired stars start to falter under their new inferior practice environment.
He's from EG, obviously he prefers poaching players in an ill mannered fashion.
I like the way Na'Vi are approaching the scene, creds & props to them. Good luck to them aswell.
Hey look it's the post I am speaking about.. the one where you are a dick before I ever reply to him. It was really hard to find.
Did you really just say effort = results
FUck I once again wasted time responding to a troll
That post did not reply to you now, did it?
And I'm sorry, ofcourse 0-10 is "bad luck" and not lack of practice (effort).
It was nice chatting to you Geoff. I enjoyed the EG house tour video alot btw. If you're ever interested in that 1v1 pm me.
Good luck to Na'Vi, I'm sure you'll get a strong roster soon enough!
On September 24 2011 04:54 Mohdoo wrote: Its really surprising that they would try to compare the EU ladder to the Korean ladder when every European who has gone to Korea to practice has said that the Korean ladder is much harder. Jinro, HuK, Sase have all said this, to name a few.
Na'Vi sounds like a joke of an organization if they can't even get their facts straight.
How obvious is it that they would prefer European players?
That doesnt mean they think 100 kr = 100 eu it's just that they want either a)good american b)good european c)good korean players. They can't set it at 500 kr because then they would be swamped with requests.
100 kr isn't going to get you a mere good Korean player. That's asking for a foreign scene bonjwa. Like Naniwa said on page 5, top 100 KR > top 1 EU/NA.
On September 24 2011 04:54 Mohdoo wrote: Its really surprising that they would try to compare the EU ladder to the Korean ladder when every European who has gone to Korea to practice has said that the Korean ladder is much harder. Jinro, HuK, Sase have all said this, to name a few.
Na'Vi sounds like a joke of an organization if they can't even get their facts straight.
Why has no-one thought about the fact that Na'vi are maybe more interested in EU players? This is probably the reason they set the higher requirements for NA and KR, they are just more interested in EU players.
On September 24 2011 04:54 Mohdoo wrote: Its really surprising that they would try to compare the EU ladder to the Korean ladder when every European who has gone to Korea to practice has said that the Korean ladder is much harder. Jinro, HuK, Sase have all said this, to name a few.
Na'Vi sounds like a joke of an organization if they can't even get their facts straight.
Why has no-one thought about the fact that Na'vi are maybe more interested in EU players? This is probably the reason they set the higher requirements for NA and KR, they are just more interested in EU players.
On September 24 2011 04:46 Sbrubbles wrote: Edit: oops
I don't know why you edited it, but i will reply anyway.
No, he's not right. There's NO recruting via ladder, it's just one of things you need if you want to apply. It's not like "if you're top10 we take you asap, if you're top50 you have a chance, if you're top100 it will be hard". It's just minimum boundary. Do you think they would take Deezer if he was the highest ranked player from all that applied? Of course not.
This would NEVER EVER be an issue if they didn't mention top20 NA/top100 EU which brought bunch of butthurt NA players (just go through the topic and see who got mad about it).
btw, anyone else finds it very funny and ironic that after incontrol's EU jokes on sotg he comes here defending the pride of NA server?
o.O If you look at most of the people's reasons, they're not just confused because Na'Vi isn't accepting more NA people.
It's because the ladder criterion exists in the first place, which is silly. It's also quite odd that they're supposedly looking for the most qualified candidates, yet they're accepting the same number of applicants from Europe as they are from Korea. They're being inconsistent over the different servers.
We know that NA < EU. Stop pretending you know how everyone else is feeling when our posts aren't showing it. Thanks.
You either didn't understand the point of my reply or I don't understand yours. My point is = few NA players got angry because na'vi implies EU>NA --> they make posts about ladder criterion being stupid which they wouldn't if the criterion was 100/100/100. Or what else do you think explain majority of whinners being from NA, not EU?
Once again. I have no fucking clue why is anyone making such a deal out of it. Damn, you even have post from na'vi staff in the OP where they claim ladder WON'T MATTER MUCH. Can you give me one single reason why the existence of this criterion is bad? I really don't understand. Like which RELEVANT player does it prevent from applying? And do you think they would accept anyone not capable to make top20 NA/top100 EU? And if someone is capable of it and wants to play for them, I think this (laddering to the top) is the least he can do.
NA vs EU is the stupidest debate ever, it's like bragging about who's the best in the fucking special olympics because we all know Korea is far superior
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote: you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.
Boxer put up a ladder requirement when he started recruiting for Slayers. It worked out rather nicely for them wouldn't you say?
Fact is you know shit about who or how NaVi will recruit so why even bitch about it at this time?
Actually all of my points where that there are very good players below the top 100 EU and top 100 KR and I am from NA. I also think there are quality players below top 20 in NA but the point is the requirements are dumb and they have since clarified their position. I still think the way they are doing it is funky but they are a standout organization in other games so I look forward to what they can manage in SC2.
Navi has such a culture for winning. They just win everything lol. It seems they don't have much experience in SC2, so it's going to be quite difficult for them find much success soon. But if any team's going to do it, I would have to pick Na'Vi.
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote: you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.
Mr eg, could it possibly be that they want to build a good team from scratch with unscouted talents rather than just trying to poach players that reached excellence by training with a different team? Cause the second option is proving to be somewhat unsustainable when the amazing acquired stars start to falter under their new inferior practice environment.
He's from EG, obviously he prefers poaching players in an ill mannered fashion.
I like the way Na'Vi are approaching the scene, creds & props to them. Good luck to them aswell.
Hey look it's the post I am speaking about.. the one where you are a dick before I ever reply to him. It was really hard to find.
Did you really just say effort = results
FUck I once again wasted time responding to a troll
That post did not reply to you now, did it?
No, you're right. You weren't replying to him. You were being condescending and rude by referring to him in the third person through another person's post rather than replying to him directly.
If you're going to argue with someone, at least be straightforward and honest, instead of sarcastic and snarky. Debate the argument, not the person behind it.
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote: you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.
Boxer put up a ladder requirement when he started recruiting for Slayers. It worked out rather nicely for them wouldn't you say?
Fact is you know shit about who or how NaVi will recruit so why even bitch about it at this time?
Bitch about something he has nothing to do with like a new tournament/Mlg or a new team.
Gets called out by random people on TL for doing piss poor in tournaments.
Looks like a hero calling everyone trolls and saying they dont mean shit because people want to watch him lose every game over and over again
Cycle repeats over and over again
Anyway Gl to Navi hopefully they will get some good Korean players that are teamless and make a hell of a team.
I am absolutely sure that Na'Vi will do alright, no matter what restrictions they set on recruiting new members. And there is no reason to quarrel about anything here. Don't know ... time will tell, as it always does. Recruiting by ladder rank at least is a good way to stop those "hi I'm bronze" applications. After all, there are many "progamers" who talk big and show no results, be it on ladder or anywhere else. Seems fine that they don't want the lazy ones, but rather those who play a lot to reach the top ranks in the ladder.
On September 24 2011 02:47 Condor Hero wrote: LOL wtf they shitting on NA ladder. Obviously it's known but how does it help professional organization to basically say if you're #21 on NA ladder you're too shitty for our team?
Well, they're a european team, so they are probably kind of biased because of that. I mean they are considering the european ladder to be equal to the korean ladder as well, so you can tell from that too.
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote: you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.
Boxer put up a ladder requirement when he started recruiting for Slayers. It worked out rather nicely for them wouldn't you say?
Fact is you know shit about who or how NaVi will recruit so why even bitch about it at this time?
That's not bitching. He just gave a comment about how he thinks it'd be best for them to recruit. It's pretty much the most appropriate comment possible in this topic. The information he knows, and we all know, about their recruitment is in the OP. The only good thing that comes out of a ladder requirement is discovering and developing new talent. If Na'Vi weren't looking to do that, then they wouldn't be willing to look at the application of every ladder hero that applies. So either they partially want to discover new talent or their ladder requirement is accomplishing nothing for them. But, as incontrol said, Na'Vi is prestigious, so it would seem that they'd want to use their history and money to build a top team ASAP. To do that, they must look at players who are dominating now, or about to dominate, not people who are at the very start of the career. Almost all such people are already on teams so it's about finding the players who would be happier on Na'Vi than on their current teams.
It's an insightful comment that actually contributes to a discussion that could be happening here. But because it's a criticism and because incontrol authored it, there's always gotta be someone who has to act like a jackass.
You could at least give a brief analysis of the similarities and differences between Slayers and Na'Vi and then argue why a recruitment process with one thing in common between them will show similar results. I can tell you one big difference: Boxer has a proven history of spotting and developing talent in SC1. Na'Vi has no one comparable.
Is it just me, or is this a fucked up question? If you go too low, they just rip you off. If you go too high, they just decline you.
How do you answer this? :/
This is asked at all the interviews I've ever been to or on most job application forms. It's a pretty normal question, although yes you are correct - it is difficult to answer.
Basically what you do for other jobs is do research to know pretty close what you are worth, don't answer the question (ie put negotiable), or give a fairly broad range. Most of that probably applies here just like other job applications.
Ukranians are beast in E-Sports for reasons I don't know, good luck to Na'Vi
Their Dota 2 run was hella impressive play and they deserved the win.
I don't get why people are getting so riled up on requirements, Na'Vi is a good E-sports team and they want to start a good Starcraft division, if they have no applicants then surely theyl lower the requirements. If they do, then theyl have gained a decent player to start with and can hopefully mold him in a very good player.
Is it just me, or is this a fucked up question? If you go too low, they just rip you off. If you go too high, they just decline you.
How do you answer this? :/
This is asked at all the interviews I've ever been to or on most job application forms. It's a pretty normal question, although yes you are correct - it is difficult to answer.
Basically what you do for other jobs is do research to know pretty close what you are worth, don't answer the question (ie put negotiable), or give a fairly broad range. Most of that probably applies here just like other job applications.
Oh yeah, of course it's on most job applications. The reason I mention it though, is that progaming is not a mapped out profession at all. Basically no one has the faintest clue what progamers with contracts make, because it's all sworn to secrecy.
Basically, how do you know how much you're worth to a team as a progamer if there is nothing to compare against? It seems impossible.
I guess you'd just look at how much money you need from expenses and base it upon that alone, assuming you can't compare to a job you currently hold and would leave to play for the team.
Is it just me, or is this a fucked up question? If you go too low, they just rip you off. If you go too high, they just decline you.
How do you answer this? :/
This is asked at all the interviews I've ever been to or on most job application forms. It's a pretty normal question, although yes you are correct - it is difficult to answer.
Basically what you do for other jobs is do research to know pretty close what you are worth, don't answer the question (ie put negotiable), or give a fairly broad range. Most of that probably applies here just like other job applications.
Having that question asked in an interview isn't quite the same as having to fill it out in a form though. In an interview it's a process of negotiation, where you kinda would want to avoid being the one to drop a concrete digit before the other person.
On September 24 2011 06:22 Kipsate wrote: Ukranians are beast in E-Sports for reasons I don't know, good luck to Na'Vi
Their Dota 2 run was hella impressive play and they deserved the win.
I don't get why people are getting so riled up on requirements, Na'Vi is a good E-sports team and they want to start a good Starcraft division, if they have no applicants then surely theyl lower the requirements. If they do, then theyl have gained a decent player to start with and can hopefully mold him in a very good player.
Why is everyone getting so riled up about this?
They're riled because the requirements imply that EU > NA ladder, which may or may not be true and really doesn't fucking matter.
I'm not top 20 NA or top 100 EU, and neither is almost anyone in this thread (ignoring some obvious progamers like incontrol and tyler), so basically no one should really give a fuck.
I'm pretty sure if you're good enough to go pro, you can break top 20 NA. Combat-EX is up there regularly FFS.
Gonna ignore all the complaints about ladder requirements and say it's very interesting that navi's entering the sc2 scene. Wish them the best of luck.
Is it just me, or is this a fucked up question? If you go too low, they just rip you off. If you go too high, they just decline you.
How do you answer this? :/
This is asked at all the interviews I've ever been to or on most job application forms. It's a pretty normal question, although yes you are correct - it is difficult to answer.
Basically what you do for other jobs is do research to know pretty close what you are worth, don't answer the question (ie put negotiable), or give a fairly broad range. Most of that probably applies here just like other job applications.
Oh yeah, of course it's on most job applications. The reason I mention it though, is that progaming is not a mapped out profession at all. Basically no one has the faintest clue what progamers with contracts make, because it's all sworn to secrecy.
Basically, how do you know how much you're worth to a team as a progamer if there is nothing to compare against? It seems impossible.
I guess you'd just look at how much money you need from expenses and base it upon that alone, assuming you can't compare to a job you currently hold and would leave to play for the team.
Indeed that would be hard, probably not a bad idea to ask for what you need to live on and maybe a few bucks extra. Although I would definitely try to avoid giving out a set number, maybe give a broad range (the minimum is still livable) or just put negotiable. But I'm not top 20 GM so oh well :p
Is it just me, or is this a fucked up question? If you go too low, they just rip you off. If you go too high, they just decline you.
How do you answer this? :/
This is asked at all the interviews I've ever been to or on most job application forms. It's a pretty normal question, although yes you are correct - it is difficult to answer.
Basically what you do for other jobs is do research to know pretty close what you are worth, don't answer the question (ie put negotiable), or give a fairly broad range. Most of that probably applies here just like other job applications.
Having that question asked in an interview isn't quite the same as having to fill it out in a form though. In an interview it's a process of negotiation, where you kinda would want to avoid being the one to drop a concrete digit before the other person.
I'm not sure which you think is harder, answering on a form or in person but I would say filling out a form is much much harder because usually you HAVE to put a number and not even a range, it's a number - digits only text box. No explanation, no how you got the number, just a flat out take your best guess. It sucks and it's hard to figure out so whenever possible, give a range or put negotiable.
It's their team they can set any rule they desire, like kiy0 said, deal with it.
Anyway great to see them entering the scene now, they have shown impressive results in CSS and DotA from what I have heard, seen a few of them in the EU online tournaments and they are pretty damn good.
Would be awesome if they could sign Kas, Strelok, Bfly, Dimaga, White-Ra and so on. That way they would be the big Ukrain force! perhaps filled by with some Russian talent and they got a extremly strong team which also represents the region aswell (same filosophy as the CS/DotA team).
The big question however is, what's their budget. are those players willing to join Na'Vi...In other words is this realistic
On September 24 2011 02:44 Xiron wrote: When I'm Top21 of Grandmaster in America I'm actually worse than Top100 EU/KR?
Dont know about EU but definitely worse than Top 100 KR. Big a huge margin, too.
Did it to anyone occur, that they don't specially say the American ladder is lesser then the european. But for an european team it just makes more sense getting European players. And only the best of the best out America.
- Top100 European / Korean ladder or Top20 American ladder;
BS! Top 100 in America are not worse than Top 100 in Europe. Also, Top 100 in Europe is way behind Top 100 in Korea!
Top100 EU > Top20 NA. NA is a joke compared to EU.
You are retarded, the Top 20 NA is probably > Top 20 EU, considering the NA ladder has more Koreans & also some of those top European pros on it.
This recruitment method is completely retarded, the top 20 is compromised of people entirely on teams for the most part... and most of them are on teams they probably would not want to leave.
Why bother recruiting NA'ers if it's pretty much impossible? I understand if you mostly want homegrown talent, but this just seems silly.
1 Demuslim (EG) 2 RGNartist (RGN) 3 Faith (x6?) 4 Idra (EG) 5 Optikzero (FXO) 6 TTI (fnatic) 7 ToD (fnatic) 8 DDE (GoSu) 9 Slush (RGN) 10 DdoRo (vile) 11 lalush (???) 12 BcuzofuProS (fnatic) 13 RebornSaga (Another Korean? Who is it?) 14-16 HwangSin, Dinamo, MSiJF (GoSu, ???, Fnatic) 17-18 Mystik, rsvp (x6, coL) 19 Gatored (GoSu) 20 State (is he still in tQ??)
Faith is on VP / now Check Six since the merger. Lalush is on millenium Rebornsaga is RGNArtist's second account State is on Vile
Also, I think NA top 20 is better than EU top 20 atleast. Very strong players up there.
Is it just me, or is this a fucked up question? If you go too low, they just rip you off. If you go too high, they just decline you.
How do you answer this? :/
This is asked at all the interviews I've ever been to or on most job application forms. It's a pretty normal question, although yes you are correct - it is difficult to answer.
Basically what you do for other jobs is do research to know pretty close what you are worth, don't answer the question (ie put negotiable), or give a fairly broad range. Most of that probably applies here just like other job applications.
Having that question asked in an interview isn't quite the same as having to fill it out in a form though. In an interview it's a process of negotiation, where you kinda would want to avoid being the one to drop a concrete digit before the other person.
I'm not sure which you think is harder, answering on a form or in person but I would say filling out a form is much much harder because usually you HAVE to put a number and not even a range, it's a number - digits only text box. No explanation, no how you got the number, just a flat out take your best guess. It sucks and it's hard to figure out so whenever possible, give a range or put negotiable.
- Top100 European / Korean ladder or Top20 American ladder;
BS! Top 100 in America are not worse than Top 100 in Europe. Also, Top 100 in Europe is way behind Top 100 in Korea!
america is far worse then europe go play on europe and you will see you have same top10 skill but after that ... i mean you have what ? a hand full of country and europe have so much more its not the skill is the mass of superskilled players where usa/canada etc has just not over 20 gamers (as no european country has but together they have )
ps: top20 us has only chances cause there are some europeans in ^^ take the europeans out and what you have left ? half of the players in top20 are overrated as hell and not compare to anything in eu top50
I'm starting to see the NA vs EU debate kind very similar to the my team> your team in sports, it's just that we happen to root for the entire server lol. Honestly if you think demuslim, artist, faith and idra are horrible compared to stephano, lalush, nerchio and mana, you HAVE to be playing favorites..
On topic, regardless of favoritism toward EU over na, they really should extend it to top 50 on NA at least, or else they might as well close applications because everyone is on a team already...
I don't think they mean to imply EU is better than NA or KR, they are just more interested in EU players. They are a EU organization so its completely reasonable. They are open to NA and KR players, they just have to be very good to make it worth it for Na'Vi
Do you guys realized that, MAYBE, Na'Vi isn't willing to recruit NA players(hence the top 20 req) over EU/KR players, and not just because of skill level?
KR players have naturally a much bigger understanding of the scene as well as opening doors to the korean ground(and GSL) for NaVi. EU players are just right by their side, so it's no surprise they would prioritize EU players.
Has anyone here considered that, *maybe*, it isn't about skill levels?
Either way, GO NAVI YOU ROCK! Beating Chineses on their own game(sorta) is no easy task, so I'm thrilling to see what this team can do on SC2.
When it comes down to it, NA and EU have just about the same # of players who are actually capable of winning major tournaments. And that number is very small.
Why is the NA top 20 against EU top 100 being debated? It's not a question.
When I say that, I mean not an argument worth having because it's not important. No, the important thing in the announcement is that there's a team called Natus Vincere.
Natus = (Having Been) Born Vincere = Present Infinitive form of the verb 'win'
I assume that the team attempted to throw together a Latin phrase meaning 'Born to Win.' That's what the words, translated in sequence, translate to. But from a Latin grammatical perspective, Natus Vincere is DEAD FUCKING WRONG.
Okay, so let's start off with 'Natus.' Translated as 'Born,' can be used interchangeably as an adjective or noun referring to a singular male figure. Okay. Problem: it's not a team that was 'Born,' I might add. Not even the members of the team. Just a person. One single person who was male was born. If I were to faithfully to translate this into English, I would say:
'A to win male person having been born.' Does this make sense in English? This is about as much sense as it makes in Latin
So let's move on to 'Vincere.' Present active infinitive meaning 'to win.' Born + to win = Born To Win! Cool!
No.
They are conflating the infinitive with purpose simply because the English construction for the infinitive 'for the purpose of winning' are the same. However, in Latin, The Infinitive does NOT express purpose. I don't give a damn whether they are de-valuing the NA ladder, but I very much care about this abominable Latin grammar.
'Vincere' cannot express purpose. Here's what it can express:
1) The Infinitive 2) The equivalent of a Nominative Gerund (Winning) 3) Perfect Tense, 3rd Person Plural ('they have conquered')
I felt the need to throw the last one in there to preempt those hating on my lack of macrons.
Fortunately, there are solutions for the team currently known as 'a to win male person having been born.' Here, I'll provide some of them to you (oh, look, another 'to' that doesn't express purpose):
1) Nata Victu 2) Nata ad Vincendum 3) Nata ut Vincat
'Natus' has been changed to 'Nata,' which could express 'A female person having been born,' but is being used here as an adjective substitute for 'Factio.' If we're into the concept of e-Sports as team competition, this is probably what we want to use.
Latin Grammar is a beautiful woman. Don't abuse her.
On September 24 2011 07:40 RHMVNovus wrote: *looks around*
Why is the NA top 20 against EU top 100 being debated? It's not a question.
When I say that, I mean not an argument worth having because it's not important. No, the important thing in the announcement is that there's a team called Natus Vincere.
Natus = (Having Been) Born Vincere = Present Infinitive form of the verb 'win'
I assume that the team attempted to throw together a Latin phrase meaning 'Born to Win.' That's what the words, translated in sequence, translate to. But from a Latin grammatical perspective, Natus Vincere is DEAD FUCKING WRONG.
Okay, so let's start off with 'Natus.' Translated as 'Born,' can be used interchangeably as an adjective or noun referring to a singular male figure. Okay. Problem: it's not a team that was 'Born,' I might add. Not even the members of the team. Just a person. One single person who was male was born. If I were to faithfully to translate this into English, I would say:
'A to win male person having been born.' Does this make sense in English? This is about as much sense as it makes in Latin
So let's move on to 'Vincere.' Present active infinitive meaning 'to win.' Born + to win = Born To Win! Cool!
No.
They are conflating the infinitive with purpose simply because the English construction for the infinitive 'for the purpose of winning' are the same. However, in Latin, The Infinitive does NOT express purpose. I don't give a damn whether they are de-valuing the NA ladder, but I very much care about this abominable Latin grammar.
'Vincere' cannot express purpose. Here's what it can express:
1) The Infinitive 2) The equivalent of a Nominative Gerund (Winning) 3) Perfect Tense, 3rd Person Plural ('they have conquered')
I felt the need to throw the last one in there to preempt those hating on my lack of macrons.
Fortunately, there are solutions for the team currently known as 'a to win male person having been born.' Here, I'll provide some of them to you (oh, look, another 'to' that doesn't express purpose):
1) Nata Victu 2) Nata ad Vincendum 3) Nata ut Vincat
'Natus' has been changed to 'Nata,' which could express 'A female person having been born,' but is being used here as an adjective substitute for 'Factio.' If we're into the concept of e-Sports as team competition, this is probably what we want to use.
Latin Grammar is a beautiful woman. Don't abuse her.
Hrhr you just won the thread Having had to endure 5 years of Latin in school, I don't know if I can agree with your statement about Latin Grammar beeing a beutiful woman, though.
Edit: A little bit more on topic... Nata Victu is a great team, so everybody should be glad that they want to get more involved with Sc2. The US vs EU debate is getting pretty old by the way. As a European based team it's obvious that they aim for a core of European players. And Korea is just so much stronger than both EU/US, so the top 100 Korea thing does make sense.
Why is the NA top 20 against EU top 100 being debated? It's not a question.
When I say that, I mean not an argument worth having because it's not important. No, the important thing in the announcement is that there's a team called Natus Vincere.
Natus = (Having Been) Born Vincere = Present Infinitive form of the verb 'win'
I assume that the team attempted to throw together a Latin phrase meaning 'Born to Win.' That's what the words, translated in sequence, translate to. But from a Latin grammatical perspective, Natus Vincere is DEAD FUCKING WRONG.
Okay, so let's start off with 'Natus.' Translated as 'Born,' can be used interchangeably as an adjective or noun referring to a singular male figure. Okay. Problem: it's not a team that was 'Born,' I might add. Not even the members of the team. Just a person. One single person who was male was born. If I were to faithfully to translate this into English, I would say:
'A to win male person having been born.' Does this make sense in English? This is about as much sense as it makes in Latin
So let's move on to 'Vincere.' Present active infinitive meaning 'to win.' Born + to win = Born To Win! Cool!
No.
They are conflating the infinitive with purpose simply because the English construction for the infinitive 'for the purpose of winning' are the same. However, in Latin, The Infinitive does NOT express purpose. I don't give a damn whether they are de-valuing the NA ladder, but I very much care about this abominable Latin grammar.
'Vincere' cannot express purpose. Here's what it can express:
1) The Infinitive 2) The equivalent of a Nominative Gerund (Winning) 3) Perfect Tense, 3rd Person Plural ('they have conquered')
I felt the need to throw the last one in there to preempt those hating on my lack of macrons.
Fortunately, there are solutions for the team currently known as 'a to win male person having been born.' Here, I'll provide some of them to you (oh, look, another 'to' that doesn't express purpose):
1) Nata Victu 2) Nata ad Vincendum 3) Nata ut Vincat
'Natus' has been changed to 'Nata,' which could express 'A female person having been born,' but is being used here as an adjective substitute for 'Factio.' If we're into the concept of e-Sports as team competition, this is probably what we want to use.
Latin Grammar is a beautiful woman. Don't abuse her.
Jesus christ man, this is totally unrelated and no one gives a shit. Good job learning a dead language, good for you.
They have Babyknight in their team, who I believe is really talented (and very young) and has quite a steady curve upwards. If it continues to play a lot I think he'll be amongst the top in Europe in a year or two.
As for their ladder requirement. It is quite obvious. They would prefer a European player as they are European themselves. If they get someone outside Europe, he must be really good. It is also known that Europe is a step ahead of NA, and that KR is a step ahead of EU.
What the actual numbers are for how hard it is to get an equal position is anyones guess. Possibly Top 200 KR, top 40 EU, top 10 NA.
People are getting way too upset about the fact it's only the top 20 of the NA ladder. Na'Vi are EU based, specifically Ukraine so their roster is gonna be made up of mainly Europeans, the American scene while it is blossoming, the players in EU and Korea are much cheaper for much higher results, reason being, there's much more of them to pick from, especially the Koreans. If people still wanted to be picky, EU ladder is harder than NA by quite a lot, i see no reason in trying to complain or say how it's unfair how they are selecting for there team, it's just the way it is.
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote: you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.
Mr eg, could it possibly be that they want to build a good team from scratch with unscouted talents rather than just trying to poach players that reached excellence by training with a different team? Cause the second option is proving to be somewhat unsustainable when the amazing acquired stars start to falter under their new inferior practice environment.
Bad timing I guess but 2 posts after yours it becomes evident why you are better off not arguing with progamers about progaming and just listening a bit more.
I wouldn't argue with you over the game itself in a million years but all the things surrounding pro-gaming and the scene I wouldn't necessarily take your word as absolute truth. Opinions differ between pro's, don't they? Appeal to authority ftw.
I didn't say you can only listen to progamers. I said you might benefit from listening a bit more.. this is evident here. You tried to be a dick and take a jab at EG when I said this method of recruiting was bad. They (Na'vi) clarified that indeed I was correct, ladder rank is a bottom line not the defining factor).
It gets old each time I post on this forum some random dude can't just address my point but instead has to attack my team, me, my performance etc.. this place was my home before you knew what SC was. I hate that I share it with a bunch of 13 year old haters now.
This message really speaks to me. I wish I was on TL during the golden age. But Sadly, now we have to deal with these pricks. And about the original post and everyones argument on it. I just think some Europeans ( not all ) need to get off their elitist ass and stop acting like EU being better gives you the right to throw it into peoples faces and categorize them as "Angry Americans". It saddens me to be labeled as the assholes when in reality, I'm being attacked. I believe in my American players, respect and acknowledge the skill of the European players, and a certain amount of admiration for the extreme skill of the koreans. So stop kicking down the American Server just cause were overall 3rd in the skill range. Second place doesn't mean shit when first is still way way ahead.Any other real competitor would tell you the same.Don't forget it. And to Navi, I'm excited that there making a team. GL!
P.S. And i apologize that if my message my seem like I'm aiming at Europeans because it really isn't. Its aimed at your trolls (maybe people who are even serious about it) taking advantage of EU being better than AM to put people down, We all got our idiots on our servers haha.
On September 24 2011 07:40 RHMVNovus wrote: *looks around*
Why is the NA top 20 against EU top 100 being debated? It's not a question.
When I say that, I mean not an argument worth having because it's not important. No, the important thing in the announcement is that there's a team called Natus Vincere.
Natus = (Having Been) Born Vincere = Present Infinitive form of the verb 'win'
I assume that the team attempted to throw together a Latin phrase meaning 'Born to Win.' That's what the words, translated in sequence, translate to. But from a Latin grammatical perspective, Natus Vincere is DEAD FUCKING WRONG.
Okay, so let's start off with 'Natus.' Translated as 'Born,' can be used interchangeably as an adjective or noun referring to a singular male figure. Okay. Problem: it's not a team that was 'Born,' I might add. Not even the members of the team. Just a person. One single person who was male was born. If I were to faithfully to translate this into English, I would say:
'A to win male person having been born.' Does this make sense in English? This is about as much sense as it makes in Latin
So let's move on to 'Vincere.' Present active infinitive meaning 'to win.' Born + to win = Born To Win! Cool!
No.
They are conflating the infinitive with purpose simply because the English construction for the infinitive 'for the purpose of winning' are the same. However, in Latin, The Infinitive does NOT express purpose. I don't give a damn whether they are de-valuing the NA ladder, but I very much care about this abominable Latin grammar.
'Vincere' cannot express purpose. Here's what it can express:
1) The Infinitive 2) The equivalent of a Nominative Gerund (Winning) 3) Perfect Tense, 3rd Person Plural ('they have conquered')
I felt the need to throw the last one in there to preempt those hating on my lack of macrons.
Fortunately, there are solutions for the team currently known as 'a to win male person having been born.' Here, I'll provide some of them to you (oh, look, another 'to' that doesn't express purpose):
1) Nata Victu 2) Nata ad Vincendum 3) Nata ut Vincat
'Natus' has been changed to 'Nata,' which could express 'A female person having been born,' but is being used here as an adjective substitute for 'Factio.' If we're into the concept of e-Sports as team competition, this is probably what we want to use.
Latin Grammar is a beautiful woman. Don't abuse her.
Probs be better in blogs Interesting that you know that much about Latin though.
This will be awesome if they get the team off the ground. Any time I've seen na'vi on a stream at an event they've been very professional but also shown so much passion for what they do. I'm looking forward to seeing who they can get.
Why is the NA top 20 against EU top 100 being debated? It's not a question.
When I say that, I mean not an argument worth having because it's not important. No, the important thing in the announcement is that there's a team called Natus Vincere.
Natus = (Having Been) Born Vincere = Present Infinitive form of the verb 'win'
I assume that the team attempted to throw together a Latin phrase meaning 'Born to Win.' That's what the words, translated in sequence, translate to. But from a Latin grammatical perspective, Natus Vincere is DEAD FUCKING WRONG.
Okay, so let's start off with 'Natus.' Translated as 'Born,' can be used interchangeably as an adjective or noun referring to a singular male figure. Okay. Problem: it's not a team that was 'Born,' I might add. Not even the members of the team. Just a person. One single person who was male was born. If I were to faithfully to translate this into English, I would say:
'A to win male person having been born.' Does this make sense in English? This is about as much sense as it makes in Latin
So let's move on to 'Vincere.' Present active infinitive meaning 'to win.' Born + to win = Born To Win! Cool!
No.
They are conflating the infinitive with purpose simply because the English construction for the infinitive 'for the purpose of winning' are the same. However, in Latin, The Infinitive does NOT express purpose. I don't give a damn whether they are de-valuing the NA ladder, but I very much care about this abominable Latin grammar.
'Vincere' cannot express purpose. Here's what it can express:
1) The Infinitive 2) The equivalent of a Nominative Gerund (Winning) 3) Perfect Tense, 3rd Person Plural ('they have conquered')
I felt the need to throw the last one in there to preempt those hating on my lack of macrons.
Fortunately, there are solutions for the team currently known as 'a to win male person having been born.' Here, I'll provide some of them to you (oh, look, another 'to' that doesn't express purpose):
1) Nata Victu 2) Nata ad Vincendum 3) Nata ut Vincat
'Natus' has been changed to 'Nata,' which could express 'A female person having been born,' but is being used here as an adjective substitute for 'Factio.' If we're into the concept of e-Sports as team competition, this is probably what we want to use.
Latin Grammar is a beautiful woman. Don't abuse her.
hahahah this is definitely the biggest issue with the post. Who cares if the reality is that top 100 KR is probably like top 10 NA and EU. We should start a demand to change the name of the organization to properly reflect latin grammar!
guys, maybe they just gave those benchmarks because they wanted more players in the EU and in korea (maybe are they planing something there?). They are not saying NA players are retarded or anything, they are just looking to be a EU based team. Don't make more of it than what it is...you gotta give them the benefit of the doubt...
Hahaha, the amount of butt-hurt created by a single sentence already made me a fan of this team. Navi is crazy strong in most competitive games, they have the infrastructure to become an important team in Europe.
I wouldn't be surprised to see SaSe end up with these guys. I think Na'vi fielding a SC2 can only mean good things for e-Sports. Glad to see more teams cropping up, now if we could only solve the visa problems with Chinese teams, e-Sports would take a huge leap.
People act like there's not that many good players left to pick up for a new team, but it's not true. There are a lot of talented guys in EU especially who just haven't had the chance to fly around the world and train in Korea etc.. Just look at Thorzain. He was completely under the radar until TSL3. If they have a good eye for talent, they'll throw together an awsome team in no time.
I wonder if the reasoning for NA being lower than EU is because Na'Vi is a EU team. If they want to have players in a pro-house, I would assume that they would put it in Europe. Therefore, it makes more sense to attempt to try to attract more European players than American players. That's the only reason I can think of as far as why EU is seemingly "ranked' as high as Korea in their eyes.
That being said, I don't think that ladder is the way to truly gauge skill. Especially since there is a huge discrepancy in "which server is the hardest." If there was a universal ladder that had everybody ranked against each other, then I could understand the point of this sort of system. But I really fail to see how it makes sense with the requirements they're asking.
Hopefully they become a good team though, as I would love to see them or any StarCraft professionals do great. Hopefully no big controversies though, as I would hate for more of that for the StarCraft community.
On September 24 2011 12:13 Chvol wrote: People act like there's not that many good players left to pick up for a new team, but it's not true. There are a lot of talented guys in EU especially who just haven't had the chance to fly around the world and train in Korea etc.. Just look at Thorzain. He was completely under the radar until TSL3. If they have a good eye for talent, they'll throw together an awsome team in no time.
ThorZaIN stated in an interview (sorry I'm not 100% sure where the source is, but it was something after he won TSL3) that he purposely tried to stay under the radar leading up to TSL3. It's still pretty amazing how he came out of no where, but his case in particular is a bit special. I think that if there were more players as talented and innovative as ThorZaIN, unless they're trying to hide from the spotlight, they would be found out by now.
Is it just me, or is this a fucked up question? If you go too low, they just rip you off. If you go too high, they just decline you.
How do you answer this? :/
there are plenty of lesser known top GMs that will be happy to play for free sponsorship gear and no salary. i think that what they are really aiming for is whatever big names they can get to attract interest for the team.
It's all about dedication, and they feel that its equally easy to get top 20 on NA as it is getting top 100 in EU. they want people that takes it serious and will work their ass off to reach goals, not people that whine and try to defend their ladder server... rank 14 or rank 21 means nothing, its just a selection process based on ratings and what ever they feel like.
It's their way of thinning out the braindead casual gamers from the guys that do play 6-8 hours a day.
On September 24 2011 02:47 Condor Hero wrote: LOL wtf they shitting on NA ladder. Obviously it's known but how does it help professional organization to basically say if you're #21 on NA ladder you're too shitty for our team?
not to mention isn't pretty much everyone in top 20 already in pro or semi pro teams? xD
- Top100 European / Korean ladder or Top20 American ladder;
BS! Top 100 in America are not worse than Top 100 in Europe. Also, Top 100 in Europe is way behind Top 100 in Korea!
yes they are worse, a lot
Top 100 US is probably better TBH. It seems that most European top dogs have abandoned ladder practice in favor of customs making way for mediocre players.
I have big hopes for Na'Vi, they are very dedicated and hard working. Coming from the CS scene, I wouldn't be surprised if the soon-to-be best foreigner in the world rocks a Na'Vi tag.
GL to you!
Also, concerning the Top100 vs Top20 debate, it might just be that, because of where their teamhouse is located, it's more costly for them to raise an american than a european/korean player, therefore, setting the standard higher.
everyone is getting way upset because of an application rule, it's just to stop people who otherwise would be wasting their time from doing so, if you are an outstanding player i'm sure they would look at you no matter what. Na'Vi hasn't been around forever but have proven to be a solid winning organization in multiple games, so..i highly doubt they would blindly make a decision just based of ladder rank. get a grip people
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote: you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.
Mr eg, could it possibly be that they want to build a good team from scratch with unscouted talents rather than just trying to poach players that reached excellence by training with a different team? Cause the second option is proving to be somewhat unsustainable when the amazing acquired stars start to falter under their new inferior practice environment.
Bad timing I guess but 2 posts after yours it becomes evident why you are better off not arguing with progamers about progaming and just listening a bit more.
He wasn't arguing with a progamer about progaming tho. You stated your opinion on how they should recruit, and how they supposedly was recruiting was dumb, he responded with an alternative view on things. Not anywhere in this is it clear that hes "better off not arguing with progamers about progaming". Maybe you should stop talking and stating your opinion for once and start listening abit more. You are both acting like idiots, you and Sina92.
I really do hope they find some amazing players who will perform excellent for them in the future. They really do have an eye for talent and seem to be a great team to be in. I wouldn't be surprised to see some huge names joining them later this year.
This is fricken amazing, purely because one of the biggest DotA teams is making a SC2 team. Many of my friends purely play dota, and never got into starcraft. When they see that the team is branching to SC2, they will have second thoughts. GO STARCRAFT!
NA ladder is pretty bad in comparison to the other ladders. However this isn't really the way to start a team imo. You contact people in private, behind closed doors.
if this team really has the financial backing, required for a top team though - i guess it doesn't really matter
They just won a million dollars, they can do what they want and these are the rules if it since it is top 100 aren´t they shitting on someone who is in 101th place?...
Really impressed with Navi throughout the years. A lot of really great results. Any player that joins them will be an insanely lucky one plus its a good team to join. GOod luck
lol @ shitting on the NA ladder. I can understand it being worse than the KR ladder, but is it really THAT much easier than the EU ladder? Anyways good luck to the team!
Na'Vi should try and pool all the best Ukrainians together.
WhiteRa, Kas, Happy, Strelok, Dimaga, Bly... Would be a pretty sick lineup for a Ukrainian team ^_^
/way too optimistic.
Kinda surprised some people haven't even heard of them too. This team is one of the best ever in e-sports history. They deserve some respect. Arguably have the greatest CS 1.6 team of all time.
I don't know who they think they're going to get. Those requirements are pretty arbitrary, even if Na'vi is a larger organization, there's plenty of large organizations that are already established in SC2. I can't imagine they'll poach anyone half decent.
That leaves the ladder heroes, who would be pretty put off by that post I think.
On September 24 2011 18:32 Fishriot wrote: lol @ shitting on the NA ladder. I can understand it being worse than the KR ladder, but is it really THAT much easier than the EU ladder? Anyways good luck to the team!
As a player who plays both EU and NA at a high masters level. NA is definitely wayyyyy cheesier and easier. I kinda gave up playing on it because i learnt nothing and had some latency issues too.
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote: you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.
So they should try to poach TSL house and steal someone as good as Puma huh?. I think Na'vi should take all good eastern european players to make a sick team, combined with some Koreans. (White-ra, Dimaga, Nerchio, Mana,.... hmm)
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote: you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.
Boxer put up a ladder requirement when he started recruiting for Slayers. It worked out rather nicely for them wouldn't you say?
Fact is you know shit about who or how NaVi will recruit so why even bitch about it at this time?
That's not bitching. He just gave a comment about how he thinks it'd be best for them to recruit. It's pretty much the most appropriate comment possible in this topic. The information he knows, and we all know, about their recruitment is in the OP. The only good thing that comes out of a ladder requirement is discovering and developing new talent. If Na'Vi weren't looking to do that, then they wouldn't be willing to look at the application of every ladder hero that applies. So either they partially want to discover new talent or their ladder requirement is accomplishing nothing for them. But, as incontrol said, Na'Vi is prestigious, so it would seem that they'd want to use their history and money to build a top team ASAP. To do that, they must look at players who are dominating now, or about to dominate, not people who are at the very start of the career. Almost all such people are already on teams so it's about finding the players who would be happier on Na'Vi than on their current teams.
It's an insightful comment that actually contributes to a discussion that could be happening here. But because it's a criticism and because incontrol authored it, there's always gotta be someone who has to act like a jackass.
You could at least give a brief analysis of the similarities and differences between Slayers and Na'Vi and then argue why a recruitment process with one thing in common between them will show similar results. I can tell you one big difference: Boxer has a proven history of spotting and developing talent in SC1. Na'Vi has no one comparable.
Well I disagree, coming calling their recruitment process 'insanely dumb' without knowing their intentions of recruiting or how they'll go about doing that isn't very contructive or insightful. Especially when the same model of initial requirements evidently has worked out for another team.
Does NaVi have the same nack for discovering and evolving talents as Boxer do? Doubtful, but I'd commend them for trying if that's what they aim for. I would certainly not call them insanely dumb for doing so.
Good luck Na'Vi, but I'm not sure you'll have great success. The top player in Korean ladder was like, 50th or worse IRL. ELO is a much better test of strength IMO.
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote: you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.
Mr eg, could it possibly be that they want to build a good team from scratch with unscouted talents rather than just trying to poach players that reached excellence by training with a different team? Cause the second option is proving to be somewhat unsustainable when the amazing acquired stars start to falter under their new inferior practice environment.
Bad timing I guess but 2 posts after yours it becomes evident why you are better off not arguing with progamers about progaming and just listening a bit more.
I'm sure if a pro player approached them they would take him seriously, regardless of his ladder record. You should know this. Also, last time I checked, progamers won a few games now and then. Big talkers who can't perform is just humorous and slightly sad.
Seriously? You want to call me out for my performance in MLG seeding and progaming when you are a scrub who sits on the forum and shit talks people that put their lives into this game? Really?
When was the last time you won ANY match that people care about? In my worst slump I beat choya / drewbie and others.. these are people you couldn't get a game with because nobody cares about you. but if you could you'd go 0-100 against them.
Sorry to bust out the thunder stick on you but you seem to be a special form of bad so I needed to put you in your place real quick.
Incontrol's general posting mentality summed up: "me me me me! It's all about meeee!"
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote: you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.
Mr eg, could it possibly be that they want to build a good team from scratch with unscouted talents rather than just trying to poach players that reached excellence by training with a different team? Cause the second option is proving to be somewhat unsustainable when the amazing acquired stars start to falter under their new inferior practice environment.
Bad timing I guess but 2 posts after yours it becomes evident why you are better off not arguing with progamers about progaming and just listening a bit more.
I'm sure if a pro player approached them they would take him seriously, regardless of his ladder record. You should know this. Also, last time I checked, progamers won a few games now and then. Big talkers who can't perform is just humorous and slightly sad.
Seriously? You want to call me out for my performance in MLG seeding and progaming when you are a scrub who sits on the forum and shit talks people that put their lives into this game? Really?
When was the last time you won ANY match that people care about? In my worst slump I beat choya / drewbie and others.. these are people you couldn't get a game with because nobody cares about you. but if you could you'd go 0-100 against them.
Sorry to bust out the thunder stick on you but you seem to be a special form of bad so I needed to put you in your place real quick.
Incontrol's general posting mentality summed up: "me me me me! It's all about meeee!"
its more like "youre an idiot so stfu"
the "me me me" part comes from the fact that hes better than 99% of people on the forums
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote: you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.
Mr eg, could it possibly be that they want to build a good team from scratch with unscouted talents rather than just trying to poach players that reached excellence by training with a different team? Cause the second option is proving to be somewhat unsustainable when the amazing acquired stars start to falter under their new inferior practice environment.
Bad timing I guess but 2 posts after yours it becomes evident why you are better off not arguing with progamers about progaming and just listening a bit more.
I'm sure if a pro player approached them they would take him seriously, regardless of his ladder record. You should know this. Also, last time I checked, progamers won a few games now and then. Big talkers who can't perform is just humorous and slightly sad.
Seriously? You want to call me out for my performance in MLG seeding and progaming when you are a scrub who sits on the forum and shit talks people that put their lives into this game? Really?
When was the last time you won ANY match that people care about? In my worst slump I beat choya / drewbie and others.. these are people you couldn't get a game with because nobody cares about you. but if you could you'd go 0-100 against them.
Sorry to bust out the thunder stick on you but you seem to be a special form of bad so I needed to put you in your place real quick.
I don't really understand this post. You comment on people who are better than you all the time :S and say that you should be able to and whether they are worse or better than you is irrelevant. But then criticise the guy for commenting on your results when he's not as good as you.
Incontrol's general posting mentality summed up: "me me me me! It's all about meeee!"
Its actually insane that a spokesperson (self-declared through actions or official I am not sure) for the richest team in Esports (?) gets in petty childish ad hom arguments on internet forums.
Although he is more famous as a personality than a player, it really isn't the best image to cultivate as an indiviual or team.
As regards the NA requirements, maybe a Ukrainian team simply wants a european or korean based roster? It isnt so difficult to understand that having players in the US is less desirable when your fan base and headquarters are in Europe - and Korean performances speaks for themselves .
On September 24 2011 18:20 Brunaland wrote: They just won a million dollars, they can do what they want and these are the rules if it since it is top 100 aren´t they shitting on someone who is in 101th place?...
yes, im sure that when they say top 100, 99th is instant contract and 101th is told to fuck off
they are probably just trying to stop people who clearly have no hope from bothering to apply
Before firing off that release, they could have spent say... 5 seconds thinking of better wording. The way they slapped that together reminds me of the instructions on many foreign food packages when I go to the grocery store - sure they may not have butchered the grammar, but they really could have presented their intentions better. Then again, maybe that's just how they wanted to come off.
Incontrol's general posting mentality summed up: "me me me me! It's all about meeee!"
Its actually insane that a spokesperson (self-declared through actions or official I am not sure) for the richest team in Esports (?) gets in petty childish ad hom arguments on internet forums.
Although he is more famous as a personality than a player, it really isn't the best image to cultivate as an indiviual or team.
As regards the NA requirements, maybe a Ukrainian team simply wants a european or korean based roster? It isnt so difficult to understand that having players in the US is less desirable when your fan base and headquarters are in Europe - and Korean performances speaks for themselves .
I thought that too, surely they would be more inclined to have say, Ukrainians and Russians on the team than North Americans. And Koreans are ofcourse the best.
Same with North American teams, would probably be more inclined to have a North American if they had the choice. Most people dig homegrown talent.
regarding the bias, I'd go as far as saying top 20 NA is the same as top 100 KOR and that top 100 EU is obviously regional bias for a team that wants to be situated in EU.
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote: you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.
Mr eg, could it possibly be that they want to build a good team from scratch with unscouted talents rather than just trying to poach players that reached excellence by training with a different team? Cause the second option is proving to be somewhat unsustainable when the amazing acquired stars start to falter under their new inferior practice environment.
Bad timing I guess but 2 posts after yours it becomes evident why you are better off not arguing with progamers about progaming and just listening a bit more.
I'm sure if a pro player approached them they would take him seriously, regardless of his ladder record. You should know this. Also, last time I checked, progamers won a few games now and then. Big talkers who can't perform is just humorous and slightly sad.
Seriously? You want to call me out for my performance in MLG seeding and progaming when you are a scrub who sits on the forum and shit talks people that put their lives into this game? Really?
When was the last time you won ANY match that people care about? In my worst slump I beat choya / drewbie and others.. these are people you couldn't get a game with because nobody cares about you. but if you could you'd go 0-100 against them.
Sorry to bust out the thunder stick on you but you seem to be a special form of bad so I needed to put you in your place real quick.
Incontrol's general posting mentality summed up: "me me me me! It's all about meeee!"
its more like "youre an idiot so stfu"
the "me me me" part comes from the fact that hes better than 99% of people on the forums
He might be better at playing a game that 99% of us simply play/are interested in as a hobby. Who gives a shit? He's not any more entitled to his opinion by generally being in the lower top 200 NA than anyone else here. His opinion on Na'vi and their recruitment methods aren't any more "correct" even though he is unfairly seeded in a major tournament. He obviously thinks anyone who disagrees with him are "idiots" but that has more to do with his inflated ego than anything else. The guy is obviously a borderline case of narcissistic personality disorder, if not actually full-blown.
On September 24 2011 19:10 JustPassingBy wrote: regarding the bias, I'd go as far as saying top 20 NA is the same as top 100 KOR and that top 100 EU is obviously regional bias for a team that wants to be situated in EU.
Do you really think someone like Faith Artist Optikzero or whatever even Idra Demuslim to be in top 100 KR? lol.
I mean any solid code B player in Korea can get to top 20NA easily.
And regarding the talk on EU vs NA, Demuslim stated himself that EU ladder is much harder than NA. Naniwa who dominated in EU for a long time come to Korea now, saying that top 100 KR is far beyond top 1 EU/US.
Just simply compare the position on ladder and winrate of Demuslin on NA and EU server and you can understand all.
on your regional bias, 1 example: oGsNada who have 83.84% winrate on NA ladder, had like 54% winrate on Korean ladder
On September 24 2011 10:48 VirgilSC2 wrote: I wouldn't be surprised to see SaSe end up with these guys. I think Na'vi fielding a SC2 can only mean good things for e-Sports. Glad to see more teams cropping up, now if we could only solve the visa problems with Chinese teams, e-Sports would take a huge leap.
SaSe has said he wouldn't join a foreign team even if it would give him millions, unless he could stay in Korea.
As such, he won't join any team unless it means he can continue playing from Korea (for a very long time).
Probably one of the biggest and best orgs out there in the gaming world, can afford to buy anyone they want. Lets hope for some TOP level koreans to get the chance... buy IM !
On September 24 2011 04:05 iNcontroL wrote: you guys need to cool it with the ladder shit.
NA isn't as good yep. But you guys trying to attribute extremely random numbers like "top 100 EU is the same as bottom 500 NA" or w/e is dumb. Most of us play / smurf on EU and place actually right around the same level with what we try and do on the ladder.
Recruiting via ladder rank for a team of Na'vi's prestige is insanely dumb. They should be approaching players of interest and asking them if they are interested in discussions post contracts being up / buy out options.
Mr eg, could it possibly be that they want to build a good team from scratch with unscouted talents rather than just trying to poach players that reached excellence by training with a different team? Cause the second option is proving to be somewhat unsustainable when the amazing acquired stars start to falter under their new inferior practice environment.
Bad timing I guess but 2 posts after yours it becomes evident why you are better off not arguing with progamers about progaming and just listening a bit more.
I wouldn't argue with you over the game itself in a million years but all the things surrounding pro-gaming and the scene I wouldn't necessarily take your word as absolute truth. Opinions differ between pro's, don't they? Appeal to authority ftw.
I didn't say you can only listen to progamers. I said you might benefit from listening a bit more.. this is evident here. You tried to be a dick and take a jab at EG when I said this method of recruiting was bad. They (Na'vi) clarified that indeed I was correct, ladder rank is a bottom line not the defining factor).
It gets old each time I post on this forum some random dude can't just address my point but instead has to attack my team, me, my performance etc.. this place was my home before you knew what SC was. I hate that I share it with a bunch of 13 year old haters now.
This message really speaks to me. I wish I was on TL during the golden age. But Sadly, now we have to deal with these pricks. And about the original post and everyones argument on it. I just think some Europeans ( not all ) need to get off their elitist ass and stop acting like EU being better gives you the right to throw it into peoples faces and categorize them as "Angry Americans". It saddens me to be labeled as the assholes when in reality, I'm being attacked. I believe in my American players, respect and acknowledge the skill of the European players, and a certain amount of admiration for the extreme skill of the koreans. So stop kicking down the American Server just cause were overall 3rd in the skill range. Second place doesn't mean shit when first is still way way ahead.Any other real competitor would tell you the same.Don't forget it. And to Navi, I'm excited that there making a team. GL!
P.S. And i apologize that if my message my seem like I'm aiming at Europeans because it really isn't. Its aimed at your trolls (maybe people who are even serious about it) taking advantage of EU being better than AM to put people down, We all got our idiots on our servers haha.
Ok it's hard to take this seriously about 'angry Americans' when you have iNcontroL, who's only even notable for BW and not results at all, coming into threads and acting like a dick to everyone repeatedly. Telling people to listen to progamers more by which he means himself. A progamer that can get beaten more than half of the time by total unknowns on the ladder let alone other pro's. Of course you get attacked when you come into threads with a total horrible attitude constantly, he alone is causing an us vs them mentality in a lot of people; it's sad really whats the point.
How i wish there was more gm people like say, Mondragon, representing eSports in that side of the world. Rather super gm than unwarranted arrogance. Off-topic i realize this was but like this has happened loads of times now.
Ontopic i'm interested to see what players end up with them, hopefully some lesser known guys with good potential can be given the financial help to dedicate themselves and do well.
On September 24 2011 19:10 JustPassingBy wrote: regarding the bias, I'd go as far as saying top 20 NA is the same as top 100 KOR and that top 100 EU is obviously regional bias for a team that wants to be situated in EU.
Actually you are very wrong. EU yes, Korea no. But well be interesting which players get in the team gl to everyone who tries!
If their CS team is any indication of how good their SC(CS-SC lulz), it`s going to be sick. Godly CS team.
Probably gonna pick up some of the ukranian guys, but seeing how they`re on pretty decent teams allready I feel like they are going to bring some unknown talent on the team and raise them as their own, dunno.
You guys should really calm down with 'supposed' disparity between NA and EU. There's no noticeable difference in skill gap between NA and EU. For example, I have same points (~1060), same win rate (~68%) and same rank (43 and 44 GM respectively) in both EU AND NA.
im sure someone said this but didnt Slayers do the exact same thing when they started there team up? put a minimum rank requirement to apply to there clan...they turned out fine wouldnt you say?
On September 25 2011 06:21 nglt wrote: im sure someone said this but didnt Slayers do the exact same thing when they started there team up? put a minimum rank requirement to apply to there clan...they turned out fine wouldnt you say?
Yes, for the clan, but not for the A-team. The clan is much larger than the actual people who get to play, most of them are just community members and practice partners, if im not mistaken.
- Top100 European / Korean ladder or Top20 American ladder;
BS! Top 100 in America are not worse than Top 100 in Europe. Also, Top 100 in Europe is way behind Top 100 in Korea!
yes they are worse, a lot
I'm not totally sure that ladder is a good way to determine the skill level. And even if you want to believe the EU > NA or the other way around, EU is not as skilled as KR. If you try to disagree with that then you are just downright silly.
Alright to the people arguing the top 100 EU/KR then top 20 US. Think about it like this. Where is Navi located? Huh Europe? Oh so I guess that means it might create some problems with having NA players, to make it worth while they take the top of the top. They will have some problems with KR players too im sure, so they will sacrifice that for very high skill. Then EU is right in their hands so they are more willy to take a wider range of players.
- Top100 European / Korean ladder or Top20 American ladder;
BS! Top 100 in America are not worse than Top 100 in Europe. Also, Top 100 in Europe is way behind Top 100 in Korea!
yes they are worse, a lot
I'm not totally sure that ladder is a good way to determine the skill level. And even if you want to believe the EU > NA or the other way around, EU is not as skilled as KR. If you try to disagree with that then you are just downright silly.
Sase and Naniwa have roughly the same rank on KR as they had on EU. Sup son?
On September 26 2011 00:30 Let it Raine wrote: what are the chances of getting in if you are unknown?
im sure i could get to top 100 on eu, i already have 2 accounts in NA gm.
probably 0. People are taking this ladder rank thing way to serious, teams write that so they wont get thousands of applications of master league players thinking they are the next nestea. It clearly says in the op that their coach and management selects players based on experiences, skills and whatnot, if noone knows who the hell you are, then chances are you wont have any merits to show the team^^.
You are retarded, the Top 20 NA is probably > Top 20 EU, considering the NA ladder has more Koreans & also some of those top European pros on it.
Why would any great European play on NA, would be a waste of time. And if the Lag from Korea=>EU wouldn't be that bad, Koreans would rather play on EU than on NA.
- Top100 European / Korean ladder or Top20 American ladder;
BS! Top 100 in America are not worse than Top 100 in Europe. Also, Top 100 in Europe is way behind Top 100 in Korea!
yes they are worse, a lot
I'm not totally sure that ladder is a good way to determine the skill level. And even if you want to believe the EU > NA or the other way around, EU is not as skilled as KR. If you try to disagree with that then you are just downright silly.
Sase and Naniwa have roughly the same rank on KR as they had on EU. Sup son?
But then again Sase and Naniwa are 2 of the worlds best protoss players, even among the koreans. You can't use individual players when talking about general skill level, it's just stupid.
And I can't understand why people are getting so worked up over this. Most of the pro players who have played on all 3 and everyone who have watched people play on these different ladders are well aware that KR > EU > NA but that means NOTHING to the individual. Statistics mean nothing to the individual.
On September 24 2011 02:44 ThE_OsToJiY wrote: Interesting that you have an application system based off ladder ranking and no information on sponsorship. Will be hard to get anyone good this way.
Also, stop with the NA hate! Best cheese defenders over here!
I guess there is a great need to deffend cheeses then? :D
On September 24 2011 02:44 ThE_OsToJiY wrote: Interesting that you have an application system based off ladder ranking and no information on sponsorship. Will be hard to get anyone good this way.
Also, stop with the NA hate! Best cheese defenders over here!
I guess there is a great need to deffend cheeses then? :D
France would be jealous of our cheese.
I'm looking forward to what this recruiting will bring.
I think the reason they put Top 100 for KR is because if they don't, a lot Korean Masters who've had no success in Korea will all try to join. Seems like kinda a hassle. I dunno maybe I'm way off.
On September 26 2011 05:30 K3Nyy wrote: I think the reason they put Top 100 for KR is because if they don't, a lot Korean Masters who've had no success in Korea will all try to join. Seems like kinda a hassle. I dunno maybe I'm way off.
The thing is, all those Code B Koreans are ridiculously good anyway.
They don't want to pay for a trash US player. With a top 20 US ladder player they are guaranteed an already sponsored player but they know they're not going to get any of them. It's just a placating statement to say "Oh yea we're looking at everyone".
Because really, if they picked up a US player there'd be a shit load of investment involved to get him to the EU, get him to practice, get him situated in a place with the team that would enable him to perform.
And who on the ladder will give that to them?
Anyone?
Anyone at all?
Look at the PEOPLE on the N/A ladder atm either notorious drophack/cheesers - already sponsored players or mass gaming terribads. The top 20 gm is an arbitrary number tossed out, so don't look at the number and their decision is not only clearly good business sense but good people sense as well for the formation of a healthy team.
Fucking retards bashing on one of the winningest organizations of all esports time like they don't know how to run their shit.
Incontrol's general posting mentality summed up: "me me me me! It's all about meeee!"
Its actually insane that a spokesperson (self-declared through actions or official I am not sure) for the richest team in Esports (?) gets in petty childish ad hom arguments on internet forums.
Although he is more famous as a personality than a player, it really isn't the best image to cultivate as an indiviual or team.
As regards the NA requirements, maybe a Ukrainian team simply wants a european or korean based roster? It isnt so difficult to understand that having players in the US is less desirable when your fan base and headquarters are in Europe - and Korean performances speaks for themselves .
Yeaa.... a lot of the best players in the world in other games just run 2nd/smurf accts if they want to beat down some retard on the forums. No need for this.
In general there may not be much difference between eu and na players average skill level but when looking at the top 100 for each, the top 100 eu players are at a higher level. They have their reasons for these requirements, they are a successful team, I doubt their goal was to make NA players feel inadequate. If a top level player surfaces that is rank 54 NA, I'm sure they would consider him. I don't understand how people are getting offended by a team's application requirements..
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