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On September 24 2011 06:21 Charger wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 06:08 Buddhist wrote:
- Desired amount of monthly salary;
Is it just me, or is this a fucked up question? If you go too low, they just rip you off. If you go too high, they just decline you. How do you answer this? :/ This is asked at all the interviews I've ever been to or on most job application forms. It's a pretty normal question, although yes you are correct - it is difficult to answer. Basically what you do for other jobs is do research to know pretty close what you are worth, don't answer the question (ie put negotiable), or give a fairly broad range. Most of that probably applies here just like other job applications.
Oh yeah, of course it's on most job applications. The reason I mention it though, is that progaming is not a mapped out profession at all. Basically no one has the faintest clue what progamers with contracts make, because it's all sworn to secrecy.
Basically, how do you know how much you're worth to a team as a progamer if there is nothing to compare against? It seems impossible.
I guess you'd just look at how much money you need from expenses and base it upon that alone, assuming you can't compare to a job you currently hold and would leave to play for the team.
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On September 24 2011 06:21 Charger wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 06:08 Buddhist wrote:
- Desired amount of monthly salary;
Is it just me, or is this a fucked up question? If you go too low, they just rip you off. If you go too high, they just decline you. How do you answer this? :/ This is asked at all the interviews I've ever been to or on most job application forms. It's a pretty normal question, although yes you are correct - it is difficult to answer. Basically what you do for other jobs is do research to know pretty close what you are worth, don't answer the question (ie put negotiable), or give a fairly broad range. Most of that probably applies here just like other job applications.
Having that question asked in an interview isn't quite the same as having to fill it out in a form though. In an interview it's a process of negotiation, where you kinda would want to avoid being the one to drop a concrete digit before the other person.
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On September 24 2011 06:22 Kipsate wrote:
Ukranians are beast in E-Sports for reasons I don't know, good luck to Na'Vi
Their Dota 2 run was hella impressive play and they deserved the win.
I don't get why people are getting so riled up on requirements, Na'Vi is a good E-sports team and they want to start a good Starcraft division, if they have no applicants then surely theyl lower the requirements. If they do, then theyl have gained a decent player to start with and can hopefully mold him in a very good player.
Why is everyone getting so riled up about this?
They're riled because the requirements imply that EU > NA ladder, which may or may not be true and really doesn't fucking matter.
I'm not top 20 NA or top 100 EU, and neither is almost anyone in this thread (ignoring some obvious progamers like incontrol and tyler), so basically no one should really give a fuck.
I'm pretty sure if you're good enough to go pro, you can break top 20 NA. Combat-EX is up there regularly FFS.
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Gonna ignore all the complaints about ladder requirements and say it's very interesting that navi's entering the sc2 scene. Wish them the best of luck.
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On September 24 2011 06:24 Buddhist wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 06:21 Charger wrote:On September 24 2011 06:08 Buddhist wrote:
- Desired amount of monthly salary;
Is it just me, or is this a fucked up question? If you go too low, they just rip you off. If you go too high, they just decline you. How do you answer this? :/ This is asked at all the interviews I've ever been to or on most job application forms. It's a pretty normal question, although yes you are correct - it is difficult to answer. Basically what you do for other jobs is do research to know pretty close what you are worth, don't answer the question (ie put negotiable), or give a fairly broad range. Most of that probably applies here just like other job applications. Oh yeah, of course it's on most job applications. The reason I mention it though, is that progaming is not a mapped out profession at all. Basically no one has the faintest clue what progamers with contracts make, because it's all sworn to secrecy. Basically, how do you know how much you're worth to a team as a progamer if there is nothing to compare against? It seems impossible. I guess you'd just look at how much money you need from expenses and base it upon that alone, assuming you can't compare to a job you currently hold and would leave to play for the team.
Indeed that would be hard, probably not a bad idea to ask for what you need to live on and maybe a few bucks extra. Although I would definitely try to avoid giving out a set number, maybe give a broad range (the minimum is still livable) or just put negotiable. But I'm not top 20 GM so oh well :p
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On September 24 2011 02:44 Xiron wrote:
When I'm Top21 of Grandmaster in America I'm actually worse than Top100 EU/KR?
Yep, pretty much... Deal with it.
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On September 24 2011 06:26 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 06:21 Charger wrote:On September 24 2011 06:08 Buddhist wrote:
- Desired amount of monthly salary;
Is it just me, or is this a fucked up question? If you go too low, they just rip you off. If you go too high, they just decline you. How do you answer this? :/ This is asked at all the interviews I've ever been to or on most job application forms. It's a pretty normal question, although yes you are correct - it is difficult to answer. Basically what you do for other jobs is do research to know pretty close what you are worth, don't answer the question (ie put negotiable), or give a fairly broad range. Most of that probably applies here just like other job applications. Having that question asked in an interview isn't quite the same as having to fill it out in a form though. In an interview it's a process of negotiation, where you kinda would want to avoid being the one to drop a concrete digit before the other person.
I'm not sure which you think is harder, answering on a form or in person but I would say filling out a form is much much harder because usually you HAVE to put a number and not even a range, it's a number - digits only text box. No explanation, no how you got the number, just a flat out take your best guess. It sucks and it's hard to figure out so whenever possible, give a range or put negotiable.
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It's their team they can set any rule they desire, like kiy0 said, deal with it.
Anyway great to see them entering the scene now, they have shown impressive results in CSS and DotA from what I have heard, seen a few of them in the EU online tournaments and they are pretty damn good.
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On September 24 2011 02:48 carloselcoco wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 02:40 Ophi13 wrote:
What they demand:
- Top100 European / Korean ladder or Top20 American ladder;
BS! Top 100 in America are not worse than Top 100 in Europe. Also, Top 100 in Europe is way behind Top 100 in Korea!
Top100 EU > Top20 NA. NA is a joke compared to EU.
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Would be awesome if they could sign Kas, Strelok, Bfly, Dimaga, White-Ra and so on. That way they would be the big Ukrain force! perhaps filled by with some Russian talent and they got a extremly strong team which also represents the region aswell (same filosophy as the CS/DotA team).
The big question however is, what's their budget. are those players willing to join Na'Vi...In other words is this realistic 
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On September 24 2011 06:33 Sith Inquisitor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 02:48 carloselcoco wrote:On September 24 2011 02:40 Ophi13 wrote:
What they demand:
- Top100 European / Korean ladder or Top20 American ladder;
BS! Top 100 in America are not worse than Top 100 in Europe. Also, Top 100 in Europe is way behind Top 100 in Korea! Top100 EU > Top20 NA. NA is a joke compared to EU.
How would you know, you're probably in bronze league by the way you talk. EU and NA are around equal skill level, deal with it troll.
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On September 24 2011 02:48 Arcanne wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 02:44 Xiron wrote:
When I'm Top21 of Grandmaster in America I'm actually worse than Top100 EU/KR? Dont know about EU but definitely worse than Top 100 KR. Big a huge margin, too.
Did it to anyone occur, that they don't specially say the American ladder is lesser then the european. But for an european team it just makes more sense getting European players. And only the best of the best out America.
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On September 24 2011 06:33 Sith Inquisitor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 02:48 carloselcoco wrote:On September 24 2011 02:40 Ophi13 wrote:
What they demand:
- Top100 European / Korean ladder or Top20 American ladder;
BS! Top 100 in America are not worse than Top 100 in Europe. Also, Top 100 in Europe is way behind Top 100 in Korea! Top100 EU > Top20 NA. NA is a joke compared to EU.
You are retarded, the Top 20 NA is probably > Top 20 EU, considering the NA ladder has more Koreans & also some of those top European pros on it.
The top 20 is compromised of people entirely on teams for the most part... and most of them are on teams they probably would not want to leave.
Why bother recruiting NA'ers if it's pretty much impossible? I understand if you mostly want homegrown talent, but this just seems silly.
1 Demuslim (EG)
2 RGNartist (RGN)
3 Faith (x6?)
4 Idra (EG)
5 Optikzero (FXO)
6 TTI (fnatic)
7 ToD (fnatic)
8 DDE (GoSu)
9 Slush (RGN)
10 DdoRo (vile)
11 lalush (???)
12 BcuzofuProS (fnatic / Rain)
13 RebornSaga (Another Korean? Who is it?)
14-16 HwangSin, Dinamo, MSiJF (GoSu, ???, Fnatic)
17-18 Mystik, rsvp (x6, coL)
19 Gatored (GoSu)
20 State (is he still in tQ??)
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I have huge respect for their succes in DotA, so I am really curious to see what they will make happen in SC2...
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On September 24 2011 06:40 SniXSniPe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 06:33 Sith Inquisitor wrote:On September 24 2011 02:48 carloselcoco wrote:On September 24 2011 02:40 Ophi13 wrote:
What they demand:
- Top100 European / Korean ladder or Top20 American ladder;
BS! Top 100 in America are not worse than Top 100 in Europe. Also, Top 100 in Europe is way behind Top 100 in Korea! Top100 EU > Top20 NA. NA is a joke compared to EU. You are retarded, the Top 20 NA is probably > Top 20 EU, considering the NA ladder has more Koreans & also some of those top European pros on it. The top 20 is compromised of people entirely on teams for the most part... and most of them are on teams they probably would not want to leave. Why bother recruiting NA'ers if it's pretty much impossible? I understand if you mostly want homegrown talent, but this just seems silly. 1 Demuslim (EG) 2 RGNartist (RGN) 3 Faith (x6?) 4 Idra (EG) 5 Optikzero (FXO) 6 TTI (fnatic) 7 ToD (fnatic) 8 DDE (GoSu) 9 Slush (RGN) 10 DdoRo (vile) 11 lalush (???) 12 BcuzofuProS (fnatic / Rain) 13 RebornSaga (Another Korean? Who is it?) 14-16 HwangSin, Dinamo, MSiJF (GoSu, ???, Fnatic) 17-18 Mystik, rsvp (x6, coL) 19 Gatored (GoSu) 20 State (is he still in tQ??)
Atleast 3 of those are EU players. Lalush is playing for Millenium.
And that list is nowhere as scary as the EU list :-)
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On September 24 2011 06:40 SniXSniPe wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 06:33 Sith Inquisitor wrote:On September 24 2011 02:48 carloselcoco wrote:On September 24 2011 02:40 Ophi13 wrote:
What they demand:
- Top100 European / Korean ladder or Top20 American ladder;
BS! Top 100 in America are not worse than Top 100 in Europe. Also, Top 100 in Europe is way behind Top 100 in Korea! Top100 EU > Top20 NA. NA is a joke compared to EU. You are retarded, the Top 20 NA is probably > Top 20 EU, considering the NA ladder has more Koreans & also some of those top European pros on it. This recruitment method is completely retarded, the top 20 is compromised of people entirely on teams for the most part... and most of them are on teams they probably would not want to leave. Why bother recruiting NA'ers if it's pretty much impossible? I understand if you mostly want homegrown talent, but this just seems silly. 1 Demuslim (EG) 2 RGNartist (RGN) 3 Faith (x6?) 4 Idra (EG) 5 Optikzero (FXO) 6 TTI (fnatic) 7 ToD (fnatic) 8 DDE (GoSu) 9 Slush (RGN) 10 DdoRo (vile) 11 lalush (???) 12 BcuzofuProS (fnatic) 13 RebornSaga (Another Korean? Who is it?) 14-16 HwangSin, Dinamo, MSiJF (GoSu, ???, Fnatic) 17-18 Mystik, rsvp (x6, coL) 19 Gatored (GoSu) 20 State (is he still in tQ??)
Faith is on VP / now Check Six since the merger.
Lalush is on millenium
Rebornsaga is RGNArtist's second account
State is on Vile
Also, I think NA top 20 is better than EU top 20 atleast. Very strong players up there.
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Hey! - Don't be so quick to judge or criticize a team that doesn't even have a fully established roster.
Watch Out! - Given the prestige of their other teams, they're almost certain to make a noticeable splash in SC2.
Listen! - Another team that's willing to pour more money into ESports is always a good thing.
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On September 24 2011 06:38 Toppp wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 06:33 Sith Inquisitor wrote:On September 24 2011 02:48 carloselcoco wrote:On September 24 2011 02:40 Ophi13 wrote:
What they demand:
- Top100 European / Korean ladder or Top20 American ladder;
BS! Top 100 in America are not worse than Top 100 in Europe. Also, Top 100 in Europe is way behind Top 100 in Korea! Top100 EU > Top20 NA. NA is a joke compared to EU. How would you know, you're probably in bronze league by the way you talk. EU and NA are around equal skill level, deal with it troll.
There are so much more Pros on EU than on NA... the Top10 is maybe equal, but 20-100 is so bad in NA.
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On September 24 2011 06:30 Charger wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 06:26 hifriend wrote:On September 24 2011 06:21 Charger wrote:On September 24 2011 06:08 Buddhist wrote:
- Desired amount of monthly salary;
Is it just me, or is this a fucked up question? If you go too low, they just rip you off. If you go too high, they just decline you. How do you answer this? :/ This is asked at all the interviews I've ever been to or on most job application forms. It's a pretty normal question, although yes you are correct - it is difficult to answer. Basically what you do for other jobs is do research to know pretty close what you are worth, don't answer the question (ie put negotiable), or give a fairly broad range. Most of that probably applies here just like other job applications. Having that question asked in an interview isn't quite the same as having to fill it out in a form though. In an interview it's a process of negotiation, where you kinda would want to avoid being the one to drop a concrete digit before the other person. I'm not sure which you think is harder, answering on a form or in person but I would say filling out a form is much much harder because usually you HAVE to put a number and not even a range, it's a number - digits only text box. No explanation, no how you got the number, just a flat out take your best guess. It sucks and it's hard to figure out so whenever possible, give a range or put negotiable.
That's what I meant.
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On September 24 2011 02:48 carloselcoco wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2011 02:40 Ophi13 wrote:
What they demand:
- Top100 European / Korean ladder or Top20 American ladder;
BS! Top 100 in America are not worse than Top 100 in Europe. Also, Top 100 in Europe is way behind Top 100 in Korea!
america is far worse then europe go play on europe and you will see
you have same top10 skill but after that ... i mean you have what ? a hand full of country and europe have so much more its not the skill is the mass of superskilled players where usa/canada etc has just not over 20 gamers (as no european country has but together they have )
ps: top20 us has only chances cause there are some europeans in ^^ take the europeans out and what you have left ? half of the players in top20 are overrated as hell and not compare to anything in eu top50
well but to topic: go navi go
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