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On September 26 2011 06:24 Dalavita wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 11:34 Shiori wrote:
i'm pretty sure that the only thing this situation report reveals is that blizzard has absolutely no idea what they're doing. blink timings are powerful? against what? zergs that don't get infestors? that's like void rays being OP against terrans who don't get marines. immortal range gonna help 1-1-1? the siege tank isn't the problem. mothership buff? the fuck? warp prism buff? cool, gonna give us anything that doesn't cost a bajillion gas to drop yet? no? then why bother?
nothing done about the ghost though. because you know, emp is reasonable, but those blink timings are just too much. The siege tank is actually the problem with the 1-1-1 as it prevents the protoss from running circles around the marines picking them off with stalkers, but you'd have no clue about anything gameplay wise based on your posts. Is there any thread you're not whining about protoss balance in? Trying doing a 1-1-1 without siege tanks and tell me how it went.
If you send in the immortals to absorb tank fire while you pick units off with stalkers, the marines will focus fire the immortal and you are in the same spot, with maybe 2 less marine. And if the terran uses a pdd, you did nothing.
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maybe nerf medivac healing rate so gateway units become viable in TvP?
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I know a grand total of 1 player (Optikzero) who does blink all-ins vs T and Z and about 10,000 players that do 111 all-ins vs protoss and Blizzard feels they have to nerf blink stalkers lol. Blink stalker all-ins aren't even half as strong as 111 all-ins
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On September 26 2011 06:19 branflakes14 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2011 06:15 Vague wrote:On September 26 2011 06:07 branflakes14 wrote:* Mothership acceleration increased from 0.3 to 1.375.
We wanted to try to bring in a unit that’s rarely used back into the action in order to potentially create new viable strategies for protoss. In the end, it came down to a choice between the Carrier and the Mothership.
What a fucking joke. And the rest of them. Their reasoning just seems plain retarded to me. Retarded? These people are responsible for one of the greatest games ever created. Believe me, they are anything but retarded. Behind each of their patches there are hours of hard work and a good number of tests. The resources Blizzard has available to make each of their decisions surpasses by a large margin everything that is at your disposal. If you think they are being retarded, it is very likely that there is something you are not understanding. I'm not saying that Blizzard is perfect, but it is obviously amazing. Well, saying that they want both bio and mech to be viable in TvT (which is literally impossible) then in the same breath effectively saying it's impossible to make both the Carrier and Mothership viable is something I just can't swallow.
Yup, again, my point is that there must be something you are not understanding (and that is why you cannot swallow...it).
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On September 26 2011 06:24 Dalavita wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 11:34 Shiori wrote:
i'm pretty sure that the only thing this situation report reveals is that blizzard has absolutely no idea what they're doing. blink timings are powerful? against what? zergs that don't get infestors? that's like void rays being OP against terrans who don't get marines. immortal range gonna help 1-1-1? the siege tank isn't the problem. mothership buff? the fuck? warp prism buff? cool, gonna give us anything that doesn't cost a bajillion gas to drop yet? no? then why bother?
nothing done about the ghost though. because you know, emp is reasonable, but those blink timings are just too much. The siege tank is actually the problem with the 1-1-1 as it prevents the protoss from running circles around the marines picking them off with stalkers, but you'd have no clue about anything gameplay wise based on your posts. Is there any thread you're not whining about protoss balance in? Trying doing a 1-1-1 without siege tanks and tell me how it went.
its not yust siege tanks m8... there is banshy (insane dps on imortas stalkers) marines... also insane dps...
they can fix 1-1-1 if they do something to banshy...some nerf or marines....i dont think siege tanks are problem....
in every terran rush there is marines... i think they are main problem....
blizzard for PvT planed this gameplay for WOL :
T--- MMM vikings ghoust ---P--- Gateway+collos+templars....and that is balanced... problem is 1-1-1 right now.... toss and zerg dont have that caind of push....
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I m a tos. I'm ashamed to hav u f'ing whiners as fellow toss members. The explanation given by blizz is raional and logical. They took an even keeled approach to balancing. Yet, all the tosses besides myself just whine. How about som thankfulness for the immortal buff and pvp balance? All u ingrate fuks. U disgust me. If u don't like my race, then get the fuk out. Go play bw and fuk off.
The terrans get nerfd every patch and u don't see them whining. Their entire timing is now thrown off with the rax nerf and they are not whining. Don't u whiners learn some class from the Terran players? They seem to be taking each nerf in stride. They got their hellions slaughter nerfd and they just read the bliz explanation and hav intelligent discussions. All I hear from my fellow toss is whining and bitching. Get the fuk out of my race if u can't handle it and b appreciative of the buffs that we did get. Fukers
Signed a disgusted Protoss. Disgeuestwed by the behavior of fellow protsses
User was banned for this post.
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Why r all my fellow toss so bm ? Uneducated unthinking knee-jerk whining jag_offs?
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On September 26 2011 07:26 Junkshooter wrote:
Why r all my fellow toss so bm ? Uneducated unthinking knee-jerk whining jag_offs?
Nice one. Showed them who's gm.
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On September 26 2011 07:18 Junkshooter wrote:
I m a tos. I'm ashamed to hav u f'ing whiners as fellow toss members. The explanation given by blizz is raional and logical. They took an even keeled approach to balancing. Yet, all the tosses besides myself just whine. How about som thankfulness for the immortal buff and pvp balance? All u ingrate fuks. U disgust me. If u don't like my race, then get the fuk out. Go play bw and fuk off.
The terrans get nerfd every patch and u don't see them whining. Their entire timing is now thrown off with the rax nerf and they are not whining. Don't u whiners learn some class from the Terran players? They seem to be taking each nerf in stride. They got their hellions slaughter nerfd and they just read the bliz explanation and hav intelligent discussions. All I hear from my fellow toss is whining and bitching. Get the fuk out of my race if u can't handle it and b appreciative of the buffs that we did get. Fukers
Signed a disgusted Protoss. Disgeuestwed by the behavior of fellow protsses
Sweeping Generalisation: The Post.
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Please do not generalize the vocal minority in these kinds of threads on all protoss players beside yourself, tyvm. We have enough cycling of kneejerk BS that sprouts more BS while attempting to correct someone'else BS already.
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On September 23 2011 16:05 Sapphire.lux wrote:
"In a perfect world of terran vs. terran, we’d like to see both bio and mech based strategies viable. We don’t know for certain that this is possible, but this change makes the Hellion relationship vs. Marines and Workers only 1 shot different (assuming marines use Stimpacks in combat). Meaning, this is the smallest change we could make in order to attempt to meet that goal."
We've seen bio (marauders) own mech time and again in GSL. Every time mech starts to come out at the top level something gets heavily nerfed (tanks, thor energy, now hellions)
Is this c&c influence or something for not liking positioning based play? I agree with Artosis on the Marauders. In fact, Marauders are the worst thing that happened in SC2. We have Protoss, Zerg and Space Marines. T_T
How does nerfing hellions make marauders more viable exactly?
If people could go pure marauder to stop mech, they would, except that siege tanks in mass numbers trash marauders still, on top of PDD dicking it as well.
The reason mass marauders or bio as you say is not viable is not because of hellions.
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On September 26 2011 06:19 branflakes14 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2011 06:15 Vague wrote:On September 26 2011 06:07 branflakes14 wrote:* Mothership acceleration increased from 0.3 to 1.375.
We wanted to try to bring in a unit that’s rarely used back into the action in order to potentially create new viable strategies for protoss. In the end, it came down to a choice between the Carrier and the Mothership.
What a fucking joke. And the rest of them. Their reasoning just seems plain retarded to me. Retarded? These people are responsible for one of the greatest games ever created. Believe me, they are anything but retarded. Behind each of their patches there are hours of hard work and a good number of tests. The resources Blizzard has available to make each of their decisions surpasses by a large margin everything that is at your disposal. If you think they are being retarded, it is very likely that there is something you are not understanding. I'm not saying that Blizzard is perfect, but it is obviously amazing. Well, saying that they want both bio and mech to be viable in TvT (which is literally impossible) then in the same breath effectively saying it's impossible to make both the Carrier and Mothership viable is something I just can't swallow.
There's nothing impossible about making both bio (as in biomech) and mech be viable in TvT... When Blizzard mentions bio they don't mean pure bio, they do mean bioMECH. That 5 damage nerf to blueflame could very well be the tipping point to where full mech doesn't SLAUGHTER biomech into obscurity.
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On September 26 2011 07:18 Junkshooter wrote:
I m a tos. I'm ashamed to hav u f'ing whiners as fellow toss members. The explanation given by blizz is raional and logical. They took an even keeled approach to balancing. Yet, all the tosses besides myself just whine. How about som thankfulness for the immortal buff and pvp balance? All u ingrate fuks. U disgust me. If u don't like my race, then get the fuk out. Go play bw and fuk off.
The terrans get nerfd every patch and u don't see them whining. Their entire timing is now thrown off with the rax nerf and they are not whining. Don't u whiners learn some class from the Terran players? They seem to be taking each nerf in stride. They got their hellions slaughter nerfd and they just read the bliz explanation and hav intelligent discussions. All I hear from my fellow toss is whining and bitching. Get the fuk out of my race if u can't handle it and b appreciative of the buffs that we did get. Fukers
Signed a disgusted Protoss. Disgeuestwed by the behavior of fellow protsses
hahaha... you are JOke man... i didnt read posts abouth whining...
but look toss zerg dont have free suplay (for enrgy) and (warp in probes (mules) ) for enrgy...
terran have plenty of openings becous of marines....
whay you as toss player alweys need to look (scaut) what terran build and then make dicision what you gona build.... ( vs zerg you dont do that)...
answer is becous terran have too meny openings to meny rushs and best ramp block from eny other race...(suplay dipot block)= as toss you dont have free sentuery in beging to block ramp...
From beging of game Toss Zerg didnt have that meny easy Rushs like MMM SCV marine SCV reaper bunker, 1-1-1 , banshy rush ,.... and on and on....2 bunker rush....
toss have 4 gate blink stalker (and that isnt near to 1-1-1 reaper rush ...) zerg 6poll rouch ling... that is it.... compare those to 1-1-1....or reaper rush... it ist whining its FACTS
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On September 26 2011 03:46 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 23:38 Jermstuddog wrote:On September 25 2011 23:23 Firesilver wrote:On September 24 2011 18:48 Roblin wrote:On September 24 2011 13:11 Weebem-Na wrote:
Good read, I especially like the overall tone they use throughout. It's obvious they are doing the best anyone could, and really care about all of the matchups being interesting and even.
I would've voted for carriers as far as my play goes, but Mothership buff makes for some sweet pro matches so I'm cool with it. im honestly scared of the prospect of a carrier buff. its a good unit as it is, just very difficult to field in the game, but if people would find a good way to get them Im afraid of a "carrier-realization" equal or greater than the "infestor-realization" months ago. And they shall block out the sun! I hope for this day to come personally because carriers are one of my all-time favorite units. I really hate how people think that the infestor somehow got its utility from people just realizing it's good. The Fungal Growth change is what made the infestor good, nothing else. Do you honestly think that if Blizzard reverted Infestors to 8-second Fungal and 9-range Neural that they would be unused?
Infestors would be completely useless against Terran (medivac heals bio and mech has too much HP), unless going for a very heavy thor build so you can neural (they were already used for this).
Infestors would only be used against Protoss to keep Blink Stalkers immobile. So yes, it would be unused.
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On September 26 2011 07:42 thebole1 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2011 07:18 Junkshooter wrote:
I m a tos. I'm ashamed to hav u f'ing whiners as fellow toss members. The explanation given by blizz is raional and logical. They took an even keeled approach to balancing. Yet, all the tosses besides myself just whine. How about som thankfulness for the immortal buff and pvp balance? All u ingrate fuks. U disgust me. If u don't like my race, then get the fuk out. Go play bw and fuk off.
The terrans get nerfd every patch and u don't see them whining. Their entire timing is now thrown off with the rax nerf and they are not whining. Don't u whiners learn some class from the Terran players? They seem to be taking each nerf in stride. They got their hellions slaughter nerfd and they just read the bliz explanation and hav intelligent discussions. All I hear from my fellow toss is whining and bitching. Get the fuk out of my race if u can't handle it and b appreciative of the buffs that we did get. Fukers
Signed a disgusted Protoss. Disgeuestwed by the behavior of fellow protsses hahaha... you are JOke man... i didnt read posts abouth whining... but look toss zerg dont have free suplay (for enrgy) and (warp in probes (mules) ) for enrgy... terran have plenty of openings becous of marines.... whay you as toss player alweys need to look (scaut) what terran build and then make dicision what you gona build.... ( vs zerg you dont do that)... answer is becous terran have too meny openings to meny rushs and best ramp block from eny other race...(suplay dipot block)= as toss you dont have free sentuery in beging to block ramp... From beging of game Toss Zerg didnt have that meny easy Rushs like MMM SCV marine SCV reaper bunker, 1-1-1 , banshy rush ,.... and on and on....2 bunker rush.... toss have 4 gate blink stalker (and that isnt near to 1-1-1 reaper rush ...) zerg 6poll rouch ling... that is it.... compare those to 1-1-1....or reaper rush... it ist whining its FACTS
Hi.
I would just like to state that it's impossible to read your posts, as in it actually hurts my eyes trying, and you should clean them up, otherwise everyone will skip them..
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On September 26 2011 06:30 altfornorge wrote:
maybe nerf medivac healing rate so gateway units become viable in TvP?
Isn't that a bit of an overstatement?
I share your concern with medivacs as they make my life tough in PvT. But gateways units as unviable in PvT? This is tough MU for P to the extent that the T is good at using ghosts. Yet I find upgraded gateway with archon/ht units to be a legitimate alternative, if not a means of transitioning into, mass colossus.
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On September 26 2011 06:24 Dalavita wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2011 11:34 Shiori wrote:
i'm pretty sure that the only thing this situation report reveals is that blizzard has absolutely no idea what they're doing. blink timings are powerful? against what? zergs that don't get infestors? that's like void rays being OP against terrans who don't get marines. immortal range gonna help 1-1-1? the siege tank isn't the problem. mothership buff? the fuck? warp prism buff? cool, gonna give us anything that doesn't cost a bajillion gas to drop yet? no? then why bother?
nothing done about the ghost though. because you know, emp is reasonable, but those blink timings are just too much. The siege tank is actually the problem with the 1-1-1 as it prevents the protoss from running circles around the marines picking them off with stalkers, but you'd have no clue about anything gameplay wise based on your posts. Is there any thread you're not whining about protoss balance in? Trying doing a 1-1-1 without siege tanks and tell me how it went.
2port banshee with marines and hellions is actually quite good. It gets blindcountered by Stargate openings, but does better against standard Robo openings. Marine/Banshee/Raven was the most popular version of the all-in for a very long time too.
At least among Protoss players, it's a widespread opinion that it's Mules and Marines that make the all-in possible, with banshees and Tanks serving as counters to the ways Protoss has of dealing with Marines at that point in the game. When Terran players win with the all-in, they usually only have a huge Marine ball remaining, with most of the Tanks and Banshees dead. It's also why it doesn't work against Zerg - they have Banelings.
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On September 26 2011 07:47 Joey Wheeler wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2011 03:46 Acritter wrote:On September 25 2011 23:38 Jermstuddog wrote:On September 25 2011 23:23 Firesilver wrote:On September 24 2011 18:48 Roblin wrote:On September 24 2011 13:11 Weebem-Na wrote:
Good read, I especially like the overall tone they use throughout. It's obvious they are doing the best anyone could, and really care about all of the matchups being interesting and even.
I would've voted for carriers as far as my play goes, but Mothership buff makes for some sweet pro matches so I'm cool with it. im honestly scared of the prospect of a carrier buff. its a good unit as it is, just very difficult to field in the game, but if people would find a good way to get them Im afraid of a "carrier-realization" equal or greater than the "infestor-realization" months ago. And they shall block out the sun! I hope for this day to come personally because carriers are one of my all-time favorite units. I really hate how people think that the infestor somehow got its utility from people just realizing it's good. The Fungal Growth change is what made the infestor good, nothing else. Do you honestly think that if Blizzard reverted Infestors to 8-second Fungal and 9-range Neural that they would be unused? Infestors would be completely useless against Terran (medivac heals bio and mech has too much HP), unless going for a very heavy thor build so you can neural (they were already used for this). Infestors would only be used against Protoss to keep Blink Stalkers immobile. So yes, it would be unused.
I forgot that every terran end game composition consists of a 1:1 ratio for medivacs and marines. Posters like you are why I typically avoid threads like this.. the amount of short-sightedness and whine is utterly disgusting.
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On September 26 2011 06:23 -_- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 23:22 MorroW wrote:
why are everyone suddenly talking about marauders? :D
i thought the immortal buff was a nerf to marauders It might help vs marauders early game, but the fact is if you invest in immortals pvt, and terran gets ghosts, your immortals are nonsense.
This is not true. The Immortal's health:shield ratio is tied with the zealot for the best of all Protoss ground units (2:1). The Phoenix and the Carrier also have 2:1 ratios.
An unshielded Immortal is much more useful to have around than two unshielded Stalkers (unless you're dealing with air of course). Hardened Shield is a very strong ability, but it is not essential and Immortals do not suddenly become obsolete when Ghosts are on the field.
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On September 26 2011 07:18 Junkshooter wrote:
I m a tos. I'm ashamed to hav u f'ing whiners as fellow toss members. The explanation given by blizz is raional and logical. They took an even keeled approach to balancing. Yet, all the tosses besides myself just whine. How about som thankfulness for the immortal buff and pvp balance? All u ingrate fuks. U disgust me. If u don't like my race, then get the fuk out. Go play bw and fuk off.
The terrans get nerfd every patch and u don't see them whining. Their entire timing is now thrown off with the rax nerf and they are not whining. Don't u whiners learn some class from the Terran players? They seem to be taking each nerf in stride. They got their hellions slaughter nerfd and they just read the bliz explanation and hav intelligent discussions. All I hear from my fellow toss is whining and bitching. Get the fuk out of my race if u can't handle it and b appreciative of the buffs that we did get. Fukers
Signed a disgusted Protoss. Disgeuestwed by the behavior of fellow protsses
Not much to complain about when your race composes like 80% of Code S -_-
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