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windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
September 16 2011 16:38 GMT
#41
This is an amazing post.

But I'll be honest, haha I don't really see much point in doing all this. Well unless you like math and have the time to do it which I can understand as I love math. Its Ok, I just found it funny how well formatted all of this is as if it was for a research paper
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
Goggalor
Profile Joined August 2010
United States310 Posts
September 16 2011 16:39 GMT
#42
Wow, awesome work. Nice to see actual data for the 'macro till diamond' advice.
We are a way for the cosmos to know itself - Carl Sagan
Cofo
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1388 Posts
September 16 2011 16:39 GMT
#43
Jesus christ, this post is amazing. Thank you! Tagged for later.
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templar rage
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2509 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 16:42:20
September 16 2011 16:39 GMT
#44
On September 17 2011 01:32 butchji wrote:
The Spending Quotient isn't as important for Zergs though? Zergs can mass larvae without spending the money - like when you save 1000 mins 1000 gas to instantly spawn 10 mutalisks as the spire finishes.


He covered this towards the end, saying that the SQ is "insensitive to strategic factors", such as stockpiling resources. It's just a model that can be used to compare macro between leagues in a general sense. Numerous times throughout the post, the OP mentions that differences may occur due to strategic choices.

It was an interesting read. I'll be sure to try it myself when I get home.
Cain0
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom608 Posts
September 16 2011 16:40 GMT
#45
On September 17 2011 01:18 crystyxn wrote:
lol @ Idra having his own league


Ha, I know, its not as if he's a little bit ahead of the rest of Grandmasters, he's a whole league ahead. Just when I thought that all GM's had perfect macro, I read this.

Also, this is by far the most epic post I have ever read on TL, I can't imagine what your 1000th post will be like if this is only your 500th. It is really unbelieveable how much effort you have put into this. Brilliant Stuff!
SwizzY
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1549 Posts
September 16 2011 16:40 GMT
#46
Uhm. This is by far the most impressive and comprehensive macro analysis I've ever seen.

Bravo man. Really interesting stuff.
All that glitters is not gold, all that wander are not lost, the old that is strong does not wither, deep roots are not reached by frost.
tnud
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden2233 Posts
September 16 2011 16:40 GMT
#47
On September 17 2011 01:37 Agh wrote:
while I know it was done for fun, your dats is not as useful as it could be. Your conclusions need to be separated for each race. P and Z average unspent will be much higher than T.

http://i.imgur.com/6jUUQ.png
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Seems like protoss is the worst at this (in this sample size). Mass warpin ftw
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Lafer
Profile Joined April 2010
United States114 Posts
September 16 2011 16:40 GMT
#48
Very nice write up, shows me just how far I am from my goal macro wise. Got a lot of work to do!
the p00n
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands615 Posts
September 16 2011 16:41 GMT
#49
Interesting, my spending quotient is 82, which would make me exactly GM league average (even though being stuck in masters this season).
tarpman
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada719 Posts
September 16 2011 16:41 GMT
#50
Thanks for this! Really nice to see everything laid out so clearly. I will certainly be checking and benchmarking my SQ as time goes on.

On September 17 2011 01:29 ZaaaaaM wrote:
Rofl at the zerg getting up to 160 drones haha


My understanding is that's how many workers he built, not how many he had at any one time. So, he probably lost a whole lot and had to rebuild them.
Saving the world, one kilobyte at a time.
Poo
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada536 Posts
September 16 2011 16:41 GMT
#51
Awesome work, I love the fact you're devising simple to understand math models to describe aspects of sc2. Hopefully you do more of these kinds of posts!! :D

Try hard or don't try at all.
Tigi
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany472 Posts
September 16 2011 16:41 GMT
#52
why would you build 100 workers ?
§1: Die Units des Hasu sind unantastbar.
Bojas
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2397 Posts
September 16 2011 16:42 GMT
#53
Thanks for this, I am a diamond player who always thinks he can macro like a masters player but I have never really compared aswell as with that formula and I am very happy that I can probably prove myself wrong now. Which will probably help me get myself to the next level.

Thanks allot for this . imo this deserves a forum star or some other reward.
d_wAy
Profile Joined November 2010
United States104 Posts
September 16 2011 16:43 GMT
#54
I am very very impressed. Thank you so much for this wildly interesting post!

I'm not exactly sure what I've learned from the OP but I am sure as hell enjoying the multiple nerdgasms I'm having as a Maths major.
imPERSONater
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1324 Posts
September 16 2011 16:44 GMT
#55
This is one of the best posts I have ever seen! Excellent work
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julianto
Profile Joined December 2010
2292 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 16:46:27
September 16 2011 16:44 GMT
#56
Maybe this shows that macro will consistently carry you farther than micro will? There is the saying that cheesing can get you to masters. Deezer and CombatEx are examples of this. And in the Korean server, there're 1 base plays all day.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
dave333
Profile Joined August 2010
United States915 Posts
September 16 2011 16:44 GMT
#57
It'd be interesting to compare korean SQ to NA. I imagine everything is a whole league above, with GM at idra level and then everything else correspondingly higher.
Oldfool
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia394 Posts
September 16 2011 16:44 GMT
#58
Great 500th post! Love reading data analysis, especially about SC!
"The trouble with quotes on the internet is that it is difficult to discern whether or not they are genuine." - Abraham Lincoln
ZXRP
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa114 Posts
September 16 2011 16:45 GMT
#59
Hi Whatthefat. This is a fantastic post! Being a mathematician myself, I suppose I am a little biased here, but this type of analysis is exactly what eSports needs. In the 'real' world, professional football, soccer, rugby etc teams have professional statisticians working for them doing calculations that I would imagine are similar to this. I could see the day where Starcraft 2 teams have their own in-house statistician doing number crunching for them, comparing their players with other teams or tracking their skill over time.

I know that quite a bit of work must have gone into the above calculations, and I take my hat off to you sir. With some community pressure, we may even be able to get Blizzard to add SQ to the data available post-game (saving some of the less mathematically inclined from doing so themselves). At the very least, some popular SC2 replay archive programs should consider adding this to the data they extract from the replay file.
If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the Universe - Carl Sagan
QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
September 16 2011 16:46 GMT
#60
*Brain melts out of ears* - thank you!
"Trash Micro but Win. Its Marin." - Min Chul
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