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TroW
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States67 Posts
September 16 2011 16:55 GMT
#81
This is easily one of the best posts I have encountered on these forums. Very well done, laudable methodology and solid use of statistical analysis. As something of a science geek who has taken several statistics courses and encounters data in this format on a regular basis I really appreciate what you've done here! I will actually be using SQ as a metric to gauge my spending efficiency from here on out, as it seems like a largely reliable measure when averaged out across a decent sample.

I'd love to see comparisons between different regions (KR, EU, NA) at the highest levels. I'd also like to see if there are any systematic differences that might arise between the races on account of their different macro mechanics, though I realize neither one would be a simple task. Keep up the good work, between this and Skillcraft I'm getting pretty wiggly.
"A thinker sees his own actions as experiments and questions--as attempts to find out something. Success and failure are for him answers above all." - Friedrich Nietzsche
aRRoSC2
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark241 Posts
September 16 2011 16:55 GMT
#82
Wow, I have skimmed through the most part but not really read in depth, but HOT DAMN this is awesome.
SgtCoDFish
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1520 Posts
September 16 2011 16:56 GMT
#83
Really enjoyed this, thanks very much

Cracked a huge smile at IdrA's face on the graph
DrPhilOfdOOm
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden353 Posts
September 16 2011 16:56 GMT
#84
What a quality post! thank you awesome read
Nightshake
Profile Joined November 2010
France412 Posts
September 16 2011 16:57 GMT
#85
Omg this is so good !
Carras
Profile Joined August 2010
Argentina860 Posts
September 16 2011 16:57 GMT
#86
great post , lol at idra
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9433 Posts
September 16 2011 16:57 GMT
#87
"Do you macro like a pro?"

Better than the average Grandmaster, with 85,2, but the system is flawed in so many ways.

If average unspent while being maxed could be removed it would help a lot.

Psyqo
Profile Joined November 2007
United States401 Posts
September 16 2011 16:58 GMT
#88
Wow, what a post. Mods please star or highlight this or something!
d_wAy
Profile Joined November 2010
United States104 Posts
September 16 2011 16:58 GMT
#89
God.. this makes me wish I'd taken some applied math classes at university. It's all well and good to be able to call yourself a pure mathematician... but....

I'm very impressed with your proposal for a macro skill proxy (no pun intended!). It's an intriguing framework in which to think.
Roxy
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada753 Posts
September 16 2011 16:59 GMT
#90
props to you, good sir

im going to start making more workers
http://sc2ranks.com/us/941824/Roxy - Masters Protoss: "Respect my authoritai"
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
September 16 2011 16:59 GMT
#91
Well presented! Loved the pretty graphs

I'm scared to use this on myself
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
JethroTV
Profile Joined December 2010
United States206 Posts
September 16 2011 16:59 GMT
#92
This was extremely well thought out and interesting. Cant wait to get home and compare my own numbers to these graphs to find where I stand in comparison to the average player.
@JethroTV
hummingbird23
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway359 Posts
September 16 2011 17:00 GMT
#93
Utterly brilliant analysis, if there was a TL equivalent of the Nobel Prize, you should be nominated.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
September 16 2011 17:01 GMT
#94
I can't see the pictures because of my school internet, but when I get home i'm sure I'll be impressed. This looks amazing, really really really well done.
What a great 500th post!
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
MacDubhghaill
Profile Joined August 2010
United States41 Posts
September 16 2011 17:01 GMT
#95
Excellent work! This is extremely interesting and I think I'm going to have to keep coming back to this thread. :D
gogogadgetflow
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2583 Posts
September 16 2011 17:01 GMT
#96
a SQ analysis of an MLG/DH would be awesome
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 17:03:40
September 16 2011 17:02 GMT
#97
Brilliant post. One of the best i've read in awhile. Well done to you sir. Deserves every minute it gets spotlighted.

If you ever want to do this again for something and want some graphics done for the titles and such, drop me a PM. I'm a graphic designer .
Geiko
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France1967 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 17:06:13
September 16 2011 17:02 GMT
#98
So is 0.00137 the slope from the GM curves or bronze curve ?
Depending on what league you are, the formula you gave will yield different results whether you chose games with high income or not.
Can you evaluate the error at max on your SQ that you get from considering that all the lines are parallel ?
geiko.813 (EU)
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
September 16 2011 17:02 GMT
#99
OK, first off the "Workers constructed by Grandmaster players of each race" is explained partly by gameplay for the zerg part but I would like to add that zerg players often loose workers to raids/harassment to a greater degree than terran or protoss. Secondly blizzard please implement the SQ figure so that we can estimate our own macro skill.
I'm Quotable (IQ)
Oldfool
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia394 Posts
September 16 2011 17:02 GMT
#100
On September 17 2011 01:52 Ihsahn wrote:
Is there any way this index could be integrated into sc2gears? I think that could help a lot!

Seconded, this would provide a way to visualise your progress over an enormous time frame very quickly.
"The trouble with quotes on the internet is that it is difficult to discern whether or not they are genuine." - Abraham Lincoln
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