EPTBut age is still a factor. I don't know if it's possible for someone to, say, start playing sc1 and become world class in it, because the majority of players reach their peak at like 16-22, and after that they start to fizzle out and play worse. Sc, especially sc1 is reliant on nerves and quick decision making which supposedly peaks early in your life, so something like playing sc or video games in general might be more affected by age than other hobbies. But you can still accomplish a great deal in any hobby regardless of what age you start at, provided you're interested in it and work hard.
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Lucid90
Canada340 Posts
But age is still a factor. I don't know if it's possible for someone to, say, start playing sc1 and become world class in it, because the majority of players reach their peak at like 16-22, and after that they start to fizzle out and play worse. Sc, especially sc1 is reliant on nerves and quick decision making which supposedly peaks early in your life, so something like playing sc or video games in general might be more affected by age than other hobbies. But you can still accomplish a great deal in any hobby regardless of what age you start at, provided you're interested in it and work hard. | ||
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ColterTV
Argentina163 Posts
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NoobSkills
United States1597 Posts
On September 13 2011 12:18 retRed wrote: "I'm to old to get any good at this game" "The younger you are, the more able you are to pick things up" "I wish I had started earlier" "I've played for too long" "I use to be really good" "If I hadn't lost the spark.." Although I'm mainly referring to the older group of gamers and such, y"all can't stay young forever ~~~ People tend to do things better when they can relate certain things to themselves, so I wanted to motivate you guy's who blame your age when it comes to improving. Slayer Boxer- A man we all respect for his creativity, innovation, and the way he turns a game around when all hope was lost. Did you know during the time he won the World Cyber Game's he was 21 years. The game came out in 98, that means he started sc at age 18. Nestea- Currently probably the best sc2 player in the world. He's 28 and kicking butt. Shinichi Suzuki- The world class violinist and teacher who created his own method which is almost the staple way to learn violin across the world. He was self taught starting at age 17 only listening to records and at age 22 when he started to take lessons, his teacher was surprised Suzuki had learned so much by himself. Allen Doyle- Professional golfer, now a senior professional golfer. He became pro at age 45, he's won the 2006 senior open making him the oldest pro golfer to had done that. Steve Harris "Iron Maiden's bass player"- He started playing bass at age 17. *Write below some famous people who started late as well If Brett Farve had won with the Vikings (super bowl) it again would have been the tiny exception to the rule because of his experience over time. He did not decide at age 39 to make a run at playing pro football his skills were still engrained relying more off muscle memory than actual thought process. | ||
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ishyishy
United States826 Posts
The bottom line people have to understand is that there are 3 groups of players: - casuals - people who think they are good, dont have any results, and do coaching, these people are not pro players - pro players on pro teams that made a career out of gaming in sc2 Everyone who has $50 can fit into the first catagory. To fit into the second, you have to have a good understanding of the game, and being grand masters helps for advertisement value; there are a lot of these people out there that want to think they are pro and WANT to become pro, but they are too preoccupied on either their coaching, their ego, or actually have a real job along with coaching sc2. Generally these people have no real tournament results, and often are not on a real professional team. To fit into the 3rd catagory, you *must* start gaming at a younger age. I dont care what people say, but the younger you are, the more opportunity you have. The older you get, the more opportunity you lose. You have to have natural talent for games, you have to have an extremely high confidence level and desire to reach the highest level. Lastly, you have to have connections, whether it be other good players, existing teams, or groups of people looking to develop a serious team for competition and have the finantial means to do so. I'll use myself as an example. I am 24, I just started playing sc2 about 7 months ago. The only rts experience I have is single player missions in Dawn of War and C&C red alert 1 and 2. I have zero experience in competitive play with video games. The ultimate question is: Can I become a pro player? The answer is no. At my age, I have to have a full time job to support myself. I dont have the luxury of parents who let their child who is in their senior year of highschool have no job, not be 100% focused on entering college. A pro whose name I will not say has spoken about this before on a certain popular show and podcast that most of us probably listen to. Generally, he said that you have to take a look at yourself and your life, and go down a checklist of things that you must have to be a pro gamer: - experience with games, namely sc1 but any competitive online game helps - time to commit to practice. Do you have at least 8-10 hours a day to get in serious practice WITH other good players? - If you do have 8-10 hours a day to dedicate to the game, can you support your life with that? Back in sc2 beta, I feel like litterally everyone had at least a small chance of attempting to go pro at this game. Nothing was figured out, everything was viable, it was a time with a lot of opportunity for any random player to have some results, and then chain that into a team and everything else. At the current state of the game, and I know it's still technically a new game, I honestly believe that this is not possible to accomplish anymore. If you are not in catagory 2 of the types of players by now, you definately have absolutely no shot at going pro. It will only hurt you to think you still have a shot. Just get it over with, tell yourself you are not going to be a pro, and just play the game for fun. Participate in the community in some other way, but dont fool yourself into thinking you can achieve the unachievable. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9366 Posts
On September 13 2011 12:50 Datum wrote: FDR didn't start being President until 51, and he was the first President Bonjwa. The only time he didn't defend his presidency (I believe it was the Shinhan Bank Presidency), was because he DIED. Yeh bad example bro. Prob a great speacher, but by people who understands economics he is considered as one of the absolute worst presidents. | ||
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TrickyGilligan
United States641 Posts
On September 14 2011 04:38 Hider wrote: Yeh bad example bro. Prob a great speacher, but by people who understands economics he is considered as one of the absolute worst presidents. Edit: forget it, not worth it. | ||
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alepov
Netherlands1132 Posts
Always interesting to see how people attack someone because of their ability to speak a foreign language (which is also completely irrelevant), while they only know 1 language themselves. =) | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10324 Posts
for example, when people say you learn faster when you are young... that is partly true, in many cases however, young people will not have the benefit of a more mature person's experience in working hard or ability to concentrate or focus or simply not give up | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On September 13 2011 13:14 Drlemur wrote: 44 and plat here. Working on it. There are a few oldsters out here on the ladder, you young whippersnappers.  BTW, it helps to have a 15yo Master level player in the house to laugh at me and give advice (my son). I told him he could play all summer as long as he stuck to a proper Korean training schedule: decent night's sleep, regular meals, physical exercise and then as many games as he wants. He made Masters and we went out to Korean BBQ in Chicago to celebrate. The main thing about oldsters is we mostly have manners like White Ra -- more gg, more skill. I'm not going to rage at you for cheesing, this isn't my first rodeo. You sound like the best dad ever that's pretty awesome. Good luck making diamond! | ||
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Fealthas
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
On September 13 2011 23:34 Defaced wrote: I'm sure this is very fitting here . You are never too old to do what you want, as long as you want it. Great video! Inspiration right there (: | ||
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r_con
United States824 Posts
On September 14 2011 04:32 ishyishy wrote: It doesnt matter if you cant get good at this game if you are not planning on going pro. Beating people in the masters league doesnt mean anything, you wont gain anything from it, and no one is going to pay you for it. The bottom line people have to understand is that there are 3 groups of players: - casuals - people who think they are good, dont have any results, and do coaching, these people are not pro players - pro players on pro teams that made a career out of gaming in sc2 Everyone who has $50 can fit into the first catagory. To fit into the second, you have to have a good understanding of the game, and being grand masters helps for advertisement value; there are a lot of these people out there that want to think they are pro and WANT to become pro, but they are too preoccupied on either their coaching, their ego, or actually have a real job along with coaching sc2. Generally these people have no real tournament results, and often are not on a real professional team. To fit into the 3rd catagory, you *must* start gaming at a younger age. I dont care what people say, but the younger you are, the more opportunity you have. The older you get, the more opportunity you lose. You have to have natural talent for games, you have to have an extremely high confidence level and desire to reach the highest level. Lastly, you have to have connections, whether it be other good players, existing teams, or groups of people looking to develop a serious team for competition and have the financial means to do so. I'll use myself as an example. I am 24, I just started playing sc2 about 7 months ago. The only rts experience I have is single player missions in Dawn of War and C&C red alert 1 and 2. I have zero experience in competitive play with video games. The ultimate question is: Can I become a pro player? The answer is no. At my age, I have to have a full time job to support myself. I dont have the luxury of parents who let their child who is in their senior year of highschool have no job, not be 100% focused on entering college. A pro whose name I will not say has spoken about this before on a certain popular show and podcast that most of us probably listen to. Generally, he said that you have to take a look at yourself and your life, and go down a checklist of things that you must have to be a pro gamer: - experience with games, namely sc1 but any competitive online game helps - time to commit to practice. Do you have at least 8-10 hours a day to get in serious practice WITH other good players? - If you do have 8-10 hours a day to dedicate to the game, can you support your life with that? Back in sc2 beta, I feel like litterally everyone had at least a small chance of attempting to go pro at this game. Nothing was figured out, everything was viable, it was a time with a lot of opportunity for any random player to have some results, and then chain that into a team and everything else. At the current state of the game, and I know it's still technically a new game, I honestly believe that this is not possible to accomplish anymore. If you are not in catagory 2 of the types of players by now, you definately have absolutely no shot at going pro. It will only hurt you to think you still have a shot. Just get it over with, tell yourself you are not going to be a pro, and just play the game for fun. Participate in the community in some other way, but dont fool yourself into thinking you can achieve the unachievable. Thing is, going pro aint easy, and it takes time, Im 21, low masters. But it aint like I throw a lot of time into this game, prolly around 400-500 games. So about 100-125 hours of play. I watched broodwar before that, but never tried to improve. I probably have less than 20 games of me trying to actually do standard builds. I did compete in FPS before, so I knew how to learn, so that's probably what let me get better faster. It's simply figuring out how to learn better. You need time though, a lot of fucking time to go pro. Chasing dreams is pretty stupid honestly, and with age comes lack of motivation and drive, as well as a flurry of other life problems. We are essentially talking about learning here, can an older person learn as well as a younger person if they both put in the same effort. I don't know, but it seems far-fetched that they couldn't. | ||
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ishyishy
United States826 Posts
Thing is, going pro aint easy, and it takes time, Im 21, low masters. But it aint like I throw a lot of time into this game, prolly around 400-500 games. So about 100-125 hours of play. I watched broodwar before that, but never tried to improve. I probably have less than 20 games of me trying to actually do standard builds. I did compete in FPS before, so I knew how to learn, so that's probably what let me get better faster. It's simply figuring out how to learn better. You need time though, a lot of fucking time to go pro. Chasing dreams is pretty stupid honestly, and with age comes lack of motivation and drive, as well as a flurry of other life problems. We are essentially talking about learning here, can an older person learn as well as a younger person if they both put in the same effort. I don't know, but it seems far-fetched that they couldn't. i dont really see the point in discussing something like this. If what you are discussing is a learning curve between people of a significant age difference, there are too many factors to really have a discussing about. If it is a physical sport, would a 18 yr old person "learn" how to perform it better or faster than someone whos 40? Probably. Ok so...what is there to discuss? If you want to talk about ONLY starcraft, you can go on for ever about it, but all you will do is talk yourself around in circles. Is a younger person more motivated? I dont know, depends on how the older person thinks or how high their confidence level is too. The older one could have even more confidence. But who has the better finger dexterity or some shit that sounds ridiculous, I dont know is the young person unhealthy? Is the older person more physically fit with better hand-eye coordination? Anything is possible. There is no point in discussing something like that. I guess I just dont understand what the point of this thread is. At first I just assumed it was some guy trying to find an excuse to still believe he can go pro when in reality he has no chance. But, if it's about learning curves or whatever, then I'll apologize right now and just stay out of this thread because this is a waste of time lol. | ||
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yawnoC
United States3704 Posts
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TwilightStar
United States649 Posts
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Treva
United States533 Posts
On September 13 2011 13:31 IndoorSpawningPool wrote: I'm in my late 20's.... whenever someone cheeses me I start spamming my LifeAlert bracelet. Has anyone seen my dentures? That was pretty funny. Age is irrelevant for the most part. If you have the time and dedication to play the game then you'll get good. | ||
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ishyishy
United States826 Posts
I do think to get to the highest level you have to have the right type of mindset for this type of game. Someone who grew up playing strategy/RTS type games ill be able to learn and things will seem more natural when playing anything like that. That doesn't mean its impossible to get better or be one of the best you just have to have the right mindset towards what you are doing. You have to have the time to commit to the game to play at the highest level. The best mindset and the most positive attitude in the world wont get you there. | ||
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TortoiseCa
Canada104 Posts
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10324 Posts
On September 14 2011 05:38 Fealthas wrote: The main reason sc2 isnt like mainstream is because older people look at it and go- OMG dumb game for kiddies. and that is mostly because gaming is still so new, in the next generation all the gamers of today (the millions of people) will be accepting of these games when their children get interested | ||
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
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