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35 here... high diamond, but I only play off and on, know lots of buddies that are around the same age and in masters... none of us play full time, I'm sure some of us could go pro if were able to focus on it full time. Its all about priorities and what you choose to spend your time on.
I have no dreams of going pro, save some weird situation where I struck it rich and wanted to challenge myself with something. Its enough for me to just enjoy the game, the competition, and the challenge to improve!
It doesnt matter if you cant get good at this game if you are not planning on going pro. Beating people in the masters league doesnt mean anything, you wont gain anything from it, and no one is going to pay you for it.
That's the wrong way to look at it. Define "meaningless". A bronze leaguer's promotion into silver could have more meaning for that specific individual, than a pro winning a tournament. As you get older you'll find that life is primarily just the way you perceive it. You say beating people in masters league is meaningless, but what if such a thing is very satisfying to that individual? In such a case it has meaning.
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That's the wrong way to look at it. Define "meaningless". A bronze leaguer's promotion into silver could have more meaning for that specific individual, than a pro winning a tournament. As you get older you'll find that life is primarily just the way you perceive it. You say beating people in masters league is meaningless, but what if such a thing is very satisfying to that individual? In such a case it has meaning.
obviously i am directing this towards the people that feel like the deserve attention and sponsorship because they can regularly "compete" in the masters league. Trust me there are a lot of them out there.
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While I agree with the OP's sentiment alot of his examples don't back up his claims. For example, Boxer is still good at his age not despite his age but because he's been playing RTS for over a decade and so has a ton of experience, and SC2 doesn't require as much APM (faster hands being an advantage of young age) that BW does, meaning that saying "boxer did it, if you work hard at 30+ you can too" doesn't make sense because Boxer started at a young age, which runs counter to the OP's point.
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Dominican Republic913 Posts
I am 31, 950Masters, well i can say that age is really a limiting factor, but there are other factors that people should consider before talking about this subject.
1- when did u start playing?
2- how often do u play?
3- how much committed you are?
i`ve been playing bw and Sc2 for like 5 years... its not the same if somebody at his 30 want to play SC2 without even played any RTS before, it will be extremely hard to archive some good result.
Boxer and Nestea for instance they both have a vast experience in RTS games.
This is the same as being good in Sex, as you get older and have experience more good u are in bed.
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age is an excuse, and a dumb myth started by people who claim anyone in their late 20s or beyond can't be good at rts games. White-RA and Nestea proving people wrong. Just go play and get better. It's not like we're 80 years old trying to go pro at starcraft 2. there's no physical reason why anyone around middle age or younger can't put in the time and effort to get great at this game or any other game.
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its clear there is an age cut off to being competitive. It's a likely fact that there isnt a single person in the world at GM level over 30 besides the 3-4 people in the world who started young and have 10+ experience under their belt. Combine that bit of info with the fact that reflexes and general brain function peak before 27. Besides clinging to some cliche "You're never to old to etc.." what evidence is there at all that supports op theory? Sorry its time to move out of the way old man!
A great example is not golf or chess. It's online poker - the best poker players in the world around the age of 35 who cut their teeth in live play cannot learn to multitable more than 4 tables, and believe it they have tried, it is their livelihood. Their minds just cannot keep up with the multi-tasking. (sc2 is predominantly multitasking) The average 35 year old? Forget about it!
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On September 14 2011 08:24 Kokujin wrote:
its clear there is an age cut off to being competitive. It's a likely fact that there isnt a single person in the world at GM level over 30 besides the 3-4 people in the world who started young and have 10+ experience under their belt. Combine that bit of info with the fact that reflexes and general brain function peak before 27. Besides clinging to some cliche "You're never to old to etc.." what evidence is there at all that supports op theory? Sorry its time to move out of the way old man!
A great example is not golf or chess. It's online poker - the best poker players in the world around the age of 35 who cut their teeth in live play cannot learn to multitable more than 4 tables, and believe it they have tried, it is their livelihood. Their minds just cannot keep up with the multi-tasking. (sc2 is predominantly multitasking) The average 35 year old? Forget about it!
what proof is there that your brain reflexes peak before 27? what proof is there that you CAN'T be old and be great at games? It's not like im some 50 year old trying to defend my age group, im only 22, i just think its silly that an older player starts to decline then all you hear is "too old. give up."
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On September 13 2011 13:06 _Major wrote:
Old guys like me have jobs, kids, and wives. We can still get pretty good, but we're at a huge disadvantage in comparison to someone in their teens or in college. It really comes down to time, priorities, and readily available practice partners/coaches.
Yep. Often I hear that to improve you need to play a large volume of games. I try, but to be honest I can fit probably 2-3 matches a day IF I'M LUCKY (I'm in my mid 30's).
I feel like I'm slowly getting behind of the general population. Last year during beta I was able to get to lower plat (back when plat WAS the highest league you can get). After the game was released I was still able to maintain upper plat for a couple months.
Nowadays I'm struggling at upper gold. I don't think I've lost skill or mechanics, but the general population has simply gotten much better at this game.
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If there are 35-40 year olds still playing in the NFL I guarantee that older Starcraft players can easily do it as well. Especially if with that age you also have tons of experience.
There are so many Veteran NFL players that are clearly outclassed in speed and strength, but they are so much smarter they are way way way more effective players than the younger guys who make more mistakes.
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The current old gamers started when they were way younger. If you're in your 30s now don't bother trying to learn quickly, take your time and grind your way up. Its possible but extremely unlikely.
Younger people who grow up around the game/technology are much better and can adapt quicker around these games/technologies. Its a proven fact.
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i don't think age is a limiting factor
the problem is that when people get older they don't have as much time, not that age deteriorates reflexes etc
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On September 13 2011 15:42 IPA wrote:
I'm a 29 year old masters level player. I like where I am. Only kids think late 20s/early 30s constitutes "old". You'll see soon enough.
old in esports
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29 and Plat, I have 2 kids and try and play like 3 games a night. I travel a lot due to the military and get interupted a lot due to the kids. But I like my kids so I don't mind.
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