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Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
September 07 2011 21:16 GMT
#41
as long as there is someone like Polt who makes TvT feel like ZvT, and games like MvP vs July game 2 or Yoda vs Leenock in the updowns, I will be watching GSL.

Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
September 07 2011 21:17 GMT
#42
I just wanted to post to say that I still like Code S the way it is. The ro64 in the open tournaments is kinda fun in the way that watching SlayerS_Dragon play games in NA platinum is fun, but there are places to find that kind of entertainment. There is nothing like code S anywhere else. If anything mabye don't stress about catching every game there are too many to watch all of them, but if you take the mindset that being able to watch a vod of top end SC2 at any time then the season ticket is 100% worth it, and thats what I love about GSL.
Carrilord has arrived.
susySquark
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1692 Posts
September 07 2011 21:17 GMT
#43
On September 08 2011 06:09 ShootingStars wrote:
The format is way too unstable... TvT is boring... my favorite players can't last more than 5 consecutive seasons haha


I disagree - the fact that so many terrans are in code S actually shows that the system is quite stable, providing the most consistent players with rewards of code S. Nada has never left code S. MVP dropping down was a fluke quickly rectified. I think Clide has also never left code S. Nestea? Obviously never left. These guys may not all be stellar players, but they are damned good and consistent, and the system has rewarded them for it.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
September 07 2011 21:17 GMT
#44
The only thing that keeps me from watching Code S is that I watch GSL to try and improve my skill and try some new styles that I've seen pros doing. Unfortunately, I don't play terran so I end up skipping through most of the TvT's, just spending 3-4 minutes watching each TvT
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
September 07 2011 21:17 GMT
#45
you want a format where any dog can have his day? that is the GSL man. look at all the upsets and volatility in the rankings.

the reason I do not like the GSL as much is because the TIME is horrible. I am in the USA and games start at 2 AM for me...and end at 5 AM if I am lucky. They need to push the time forward or go back and forth.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
September 07 2011 21:17 GMT
#46
Code A is where it's at, folks. Earlier (for the first week at least) and more racial diversity! :D
SpaceToaster
Profile Joined October 2010
United States289 Posts
September 07 2011 21:17 GMT
#47
GSL is getting boring to be because it comes on at 4am my time. I don't really care for watching VoDs because the suspense is all gone (I can't fool myself into thinking new events are unfolding), where watching live is full of suspense and drama.

I would watch a whole lot more GSL if they did a rebroadcast at a more reasonable time. For some reason that's more acceptable for me than watching VoDs, and its not because of money (I've paid for hq on a few seasons). I guess it makes it feel more like an event.
MK4512
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada938 Posts
September 07 2011 21:17 GMT
#48
EVENTUALLY, Code S will weed out every weak player, and it will become the true pinacle of competition... Just wait for a bit.
Chill: "Please let us know when you will be streaming yourself eating a hat so I can put it on the calendar. Thanks."
Robje
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands1044 Posts
September 07 2011 21:17 GMT
#49
Imo the difference is, GSL is a few games/players per day, spread out over a long time, where as MLG is shittons of games with a lot of players in only 3 days. You work your way to the finals really quickly, and you keep in touch with it like that even when some players aren't of you interest.
Holy shit ziek leger
illsick
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1770 Posts
September 07 2011 21:17 GMT
#50
I love watching GSL

there's always people complaining but doesn't mean the majority see it the same way.

I know when I read the LR threads of MLG, people complain about the koreans dominating the podium and claim they won't watch MLG. But that doesn't mean the majority see it that way too.

when I think of code S, I think of it being a exclusive elite league.
you live and you learn
Cyrak
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada536 Posts
September 07 2011 21:18 GMT
#51
I like MLG because there are a lot of mismatches skill wise. You'll have insanely good players from Korea (or even Europe) fighting other mid level foreign pros and it makes for weird games.

A lot of the Korean vs. Korean games take place in a metagame that is far beyond the Western scene and due to the fact that the Western pros try to catch up to the Koreans by copying them there are 'holes' in their understanding of how the Koreans reached certain conclusions about builds and timings.

How this manifests in actual games is in strange builds and timings by the Koreans that haven't really ever been seen because they were evolutionary steps in the development of the current KvK metagame. Koreans have solved these builds on the ladder and their game has moved past them but they still work really damn well on everyone else.

Mismatches make for fun games as does the grueling gauntlet format where you're excited to see who is going to make it up through the open bracket. The mix of styles and, yes, I have to say it, the greater diversity of races at MLG makes for a more entertaining tournament overall.
Fortune favors the prepared mind.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
September 07 2011 21:18 GMT
#52
On September 08 2011 06:17 Slusher wrote:
I just wanted to post to say that I still like Code S the way it is. The ro64 in the open tournaments is kinda fun in the way that watching SlayerS_Dragon play games in NA platinum is fun, but there are places to find that kind of entertainment. There is nothing like code S anywhere else. If anything mabye don't stress about catching every game there are too many to watch all of them, but if you take the mindset that being able to watch a vod of top end SC2 at any time then the season ticket is 100% worth it, and thats what I love about GSL.


I actually think you make a good point here. There's value in the open tournament, and you get some hilarious games. I do think that Code S level play is something unique and should be preserved rather than watered down. In theory, things like the MLG exchange program should let new talent into the pool as well.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
September 07 2011 21:18 GMT
#53
GSL happens too often and quickly, once you show too much of something some people start losing interest. GSL should've been 4 times a year max. Rebroadcast times for other regions of the world would also help tons
Writerptrk
Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
September 07 2011 21:18 GMT
#54
On September 08 2011 06:02 lizzard_warish wrote:
I can put my finger on why GSL is getting boring, and so can most people from what I've seen; watching thirty tvt's in a row is fucking gay.

User was warned for this post

Dunno why you got a warning. But this is mostly the reason why me and most of the ppl I talked with dont like to watch Code S anymore.
Obviously not GOM-TV's fault but still.

Code A is much more entertaining but doesnt get the attention it deserves.
RIP DOUBLE TI OG | #18 never forget
ShootingStars
Profile Joined August 2010
1475 Posts
September 07 2011 21:18 GMT
#55
On September 08 2011 06:17 susySquark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 06:09 ShootingStars wrote:
The format is way too unstable... TvT is boring... my favorite players can't last more than 5 consecutive seasons haha


I disagree - the fact that so many terrans are in code S actually shows that the system is quite stable, providing the most consistent players with rewards of code S. Nada has never left code S. MVP dropping down was a fluke quickly rectified. I think Clide has also never left code S. Nestea? Obviously never left. These guys may not all be stellar players, but they are damned good and consistent, and the system has rewarded them for it.


I'd rather have players who have off and on days than players who consistently go to Ro16 and fail and never reach higher... pointless
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15686 Posts
September 07 2011 21:18 GMT
#56
TOO much tvt. Not enough protoss players. It's plain and simply not interesting. Mlg is wayyyy better.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
September 07 2011 21:20 GMT
#57
On September 08 2011 06:18 ShootingStars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 06:17 susySquark wrote:
On September 08 2011 06:09 ShootingStars wrote:
The format is way too unstable... TvT is boring... my favorite players can't last more than 5 consecutive seasons haha


I disagree - the fact that so many terrans are in code S actually shows that the system is quite stable, providing the most consistent players with rewards of code S. Nada has never left code S. MVP dropping down was a fluke quickly rectified. I think Clide has also never left code S. Nestea? Obviously never left. These guys may not all be stellar players, but they are damned good and consistent, and the system has rewarded them for it.


I'd rather have players who have off and on days than players who consistently go to Ro16 and fail and never reach higher... pointless


That's a reasonable point with respect to Clide, but Nada, MVP, and NesTea all make deeper runs than the Ro16 on a regular basis. In fact, MVP and NesTea are both champions.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Robje
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands1044 Posts
September 07 2011 21:20 GMT
#58
On September 08 2011 06:17 Golgotha wrote:
you want a format where any dog can have his day? that is the GSL man. look at all the upsets and volatility in the rankings.

the reason I do not like the GSL as much is because the TIME is horrible. I am in the USA and games start at 2 AM for me...and end at 5 AM if I am lucky. They need to push the time forward or go back and forth.

And royally screw the Europeans suddenly because USA wants to have better viewing times, not even including that the times would be stupid in Korea too as they are just used to this.
A rebroadcast like @ MLG isn't needed because you just have the VODs.
Holy shit ziek leger
Sandro
Profile Joined April 2011
897 Posts
September 07 2011 21:20 GMT
#59
On September 08 2011 06:18 Slomo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 06:02 lizzard_warish wrote:
I can put my finger on why GSL is getting boring, and so can most people from what I've seen; watching thirty tvt's in a row is fucking gay.

User was warned for this post

Dunno why you got a warning. But this is mostly the reason why me and most of the ppl I talked with dont like to watch Code S anymore.
Obviously not GOM-TV's fault but still.

Code A is much more entertaining but doesnt get the attention it deserves.

I try to watch Code A but the casters cracking bad jokes and trying to emulate tastosis make it painful.
plated.rawr
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Norway1676 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-07 21:21:12
September 07 2011 21:20 GMT
#60
Coming from a fan of the BW proscene since 2006 or so...

I haven't really watched SC2GSL much, so I cannot say what I don't like about it specifically. I can say that no-name koreans playing each other isn't very attractive to me though, no matter what level of skill they bring.

For MLG on the other hand, I usually sit up all play hours, till around 8am local time. Two pretty central reasons to this, I think, are the players and the audience.

The players at MLG aren't just anonymous korean mechanic monsters - there's so many experienced players who's been with the international Starcraft scene for so long, with a massive history, both good and bad, behind them. The players feels a lot more alive, and while their gameplay is excellent, it's not perfect, and it is thus a lot easier to cheer for and empathise with them. They represent the geek dream we all sometimes sit with - "Hey, that guy could be me, dude!".

The audience is what interested me with BW originally. I think I saw a Blizzcon 2006 between Savior and... someone. At the time, my only real experience with BW was my own casual playing over the years, so I was pretty flabbergasted by the crowd enthusiasm and caster hyping. Together, they created a really special ambience that I've since seen in big korean and foreign BW events.

So yea, that's about it. Personality and ambience is what I like MLG and other foreign big events for.
Savior broke my heart ;_; || twitch.tv/onnings
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