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On September 09 2011 21:56 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 21:54 perestain wrote:On September 09 2011 21:43 Kewlots wrote:
I think this is silly Code S is the best league to watch game play wise, production wise, wise wise
It cant be touched by anything really imo True, but only if you especially like watching terran. If you do not particularly enjoy this, then the game is pretty much dead, from a viewers perspective, with some few exceptions. So, like it has always been, everyone has to decide for themselves if what is shown is interesting enough to warrant a ticket purchase. I can imagine though that utter dominance of a single race will not be a good thing in the long run, and the fact that gom is not responsible changes nothing in that respect. wow please stop sure there are a lot of terrans right now due to imbalance but a few month ago protosses were dominating its the metagame that is shifting and protoss just seems to have a hard time adapting right now
Actually, in almost all Seasons the GSL had more Terrans then any other race, and Protosses never really dominated (maybe only in the season where MC got his first win).
For me the big problem is the BO1 RO32, some weird things can happen because of that... It REALLY should be a BO3.
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On September 09 2011 22:05 Dew. wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 21:56 farnham wrote:On September 09 2011 21:54 perestain wrote:On September 09 2011 21:43 Kewlots wrote:
I think this is silly Code S is the best league to watch game play wise, production wise, wise wise
It cant be touched by anything really imo True, but only if you especially like watching terran. If you do not particularly enjoy this, then the game is pretty much dead, from a viewers perspective, with some few exceptions. So, like it has always been, everyone has to decide for themselves if what is shown is interesting enough to warrant a ticket purchase. I can imagine though that utter dominance of a single race will not be a good thing in the long run, and the fact that gom is not responsible changes nothing in that respect. wow please stop sure there are a lot of terrans right now due to imbalance but a few month ago protosses were dominating its the metagame that is shifting and protoss just seems to have a hard time adapting right now Actually, in almost all Seasons the GSL had more Terrans then any other race, and Protosses never really dominated (maybe only in the season where MC got his second win). For me the big problem is the BO1 RO32, some weird things can happen because of that... It REALLY should be a BO3.
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in that season protoss had 3 out of top 4 (anypro, san and mc)
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Well thats hinting that they should have more (qualifier) Code S tournaments which i think they should stream more but i dont think they have enough money to generate these tournaments :O
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I swear Zerg and Protoss are the biggest whiner of them all. Where were you when MC was owning faces with his 4gate or when Nestea was killing nerds left and right? If you think there are too many good Terrans, go complain to Blizzard, not GOM. GOM has done a lot of things to please the fans, from given foreigners free spots in code a, to adjusting their game start time to accommodating foreign viewers, to modifying maps and rotating them. GOM is not perfect, I think their code s, rd32 group play is stupid and some maps are clear advantages for certain races. belshir beach is zerg favored.
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Besides the only foreigners to do well in Code A was a Protoss (Huk)
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On September 09 2011 22:19 bucckevin wrote:
I swear Zerg and Protoss are the biggest whiner of them all. Where were you when MC was owning faces with his 4gate or when Nestea was killing nerds left and right? If you think there are too many good Terrans, go complain to Blizzard, not GOM. GOM has done a lot of things to please the fans, from given foreigners free spots in code a, to adjusting their game start time to accommodating foreign viewers, to modifying maps and rotating them. GOM is not perfect, I think their code s, rd32 group play is stupid and some maps are clear advantages for certain races. belshir beach is zerg favored.
When a non Terran wins they say its ¨because they are 10000000 times more skilled¨, when a Terran wins its because of the race... really freaking disrespectful for the players. And yeah I agree, if they have a balance complaint they should go and complain to Blizzard.
I think things will even up in the next seasons, this time almost no Terrans qualified for Code A so chances are that we will see more races go up to code S
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On September 09 2011 21:56 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 21:54 perestain wrote:On September 09 2011 21:43 Kewlots wrote:
I think this is silly Code S is the best league to watch game play wise, production wise, wise wise
It cant be touched by anything really imo True, but only if you especially like watching terran. If you do not particularly enjoy this, then the game is pretty much dead, from a viewers perspective, with some few exceptions. So, like it has always been, everyone has to decide for themselves if what is shown is interesting enough to warrant a ticket purchase. I can imagine though that utter dominance of a single race will not be a good thing in the long run, and the fact that gom is not responsible changes nothing in that respect. wow please stop sure there are a lot of terrans right now due to imbalance but a few month ago protosses were dominating its the metagame that is shifting and protoss just seems to have a hard time adapting right now
Stop saying crap like this. Protoss has never gotten anywhere close to dominating at any point in SC2's history.
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On September 09 2011 22:52 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 21:56 farnham wrote:On September 09 2011 21:54 perestain wrote:On September 09 2011 21:43 Kewlots wrote:
I think this is silly Code S is the best league to watch game play wise, production wise, wise wise
It cant be touched by anything really imo True, but only if you especially like watching terran. If you do not particularly enjoy this, then the game is pretty much dead, from a viewers perspective, with some few exceptions. So, like it has always been, everyone has to decide for themselves if what is shown is interesting enough to warrant a ticket purchase. I can imagine though that utter dominance of a single race will not be a good thing in the long run, and the fact that gom is not responsible changes nothing in that respect. wow please stop sure there are a lot of terrans right now due to imbalance but a few month ago protosses were dominating its the metagame that is shifting and protoss just seems to have a hard time adapting right now Stop saying crap like this. Protoss has never gotten anywhere close to dominating at any point in SC2's history.
This guy speaks truth. PHD proven.
Protosses were dominating because Terrans did not go heavy mech against Storm ... and then Amulets were nerfed.
The fact is, with the current numbers, Terran has crazy DPS from marines, which are pretty much the cheapest unit with the highest max DPS. As a Terran, you can recover from so many mistakes with a 8 marine drop to kill workers. Even Mutas (as versatile as they are) don't really kill that many *that* fast and especially costing far more resources.
The thing is Terran, by itself, is ridiculously cost effective used in the right way. Of course, Blizzard's trying to fix stuff, but really, Terran really needs some nerf. Something like marines to 5 (+1 light) with (+1/0) upgrades ...
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dunno about the new blood thing, three days of up-and-down already over and 4 "new" players go into code S with only 2 "old" players staying in, so I'm okay with that.
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On September 09 2011 22:52 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 21:56 farnham wrote:On September 09 2011 21:54 perestain wrote:On September 09 2011 21:43 Kewlots wrote:
I think this is silly Code S is the best league to watch game play wise, production wise, wise wise
It cant be touched by anything really imo True, but only if you especially like watching terran. If you do not particularly enjoy this, then the game is pretty much dead, from a viewers perspective, with some few exceptions. So, like it has always been, everyone has to decide for themselves if what is shown is interesting enough to warrant a ticket purchase. I can imagine though that utter dominance of a single race will not be a good thing in the long run, and the fact that gom is not responsible changes nothing in that respect. wow please stop sure there are a lot of terrans right now due to imbalance but a few month ago protosses were dominating its the metagame that is shifting and protoss just seems to have a hard time adapting right now Stop saying crap like this. Protoss has never gotten anywhere close to dominating at any point in SC2's history.
what is 3 out of top 4 of gsl march then ?
back when protoss had khaydarian amulet and archon toilets protoss were dominating
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On September 09 2011 23:45 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 22:52 Stratos_speAr wrote:On September 09 2011 21:56 farnham wrote:On September 09 2011 21:54 perestain wrote:On September 09 2011 21:43 Kewlots wrote:
I think this is silly Code S is the best league to watch game play wise, production wise, wise wise
It cant be touched by anything really imo True, but only if you especially like watching terran. If you do not particularly enjoy this, then the game is pretty much dead, from a viewers perspective, with some few exceptions. So, like it has always been, everyone has to decide for themselves if what is shown is interesting enough to warrant a ticket purchase. I can imagine though that utter dominance of a single race will not be a good thing in the long run, and the fact that gom is not responsible changes nothing in that respect. wow please stop sure there are a lot of terrans right now due to imbalance but a few month ago protosses were dominating its the metagame that is shifting and protoss just seems to have a hard time adapting right now Stop saying crap like this. Protoss has never gotten anywhere close to dominating at any point in SC2's history. what is 3 out of top 4 of gsl march then ? back when protoss had khaydarian amulet and archon toilets protoss were dominating
There is no point in discussing this. If people dont want to watch anymore, they dont. You can try to prove their reasoning wrong all you want, but this will not make them want to watch again. GSL seems to be not for everybody right now. No one is to blame for that specifically, its just the way things went with the game imho.
Maybe it will get more interesting again, or maybe not. We'll see.
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IMHO, GSL is a pure reflect of what is happening on Ladder.
For example, if we examine the Korean Ladder, http://www.sc2ranks.com/ranks/fea/grandmaster
![[image loading]](http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/4674/topkorea.jpg)
We can appreciate that there are 8 Terrans at Top 10.
GSL is not relate with this issue, its not their fault, Terran players are owning other players, its blizzard the one that must do something to avoid this happening.
I can admit that the first and the second and may be also the third one best Sc2 players can be Terran. But its extremely rare, unnatural if u think it, that the rest are also terran.
You can check all ladders, and see, for example NA got another 8 terrans on Top 10, EU, 6, etc.
I remember one old post, that counts the numbers of tournaments won by races, and was like 70% Terran.
Things didn't change at all, most of the biggest tournament that has been played recently has been won by Terrans. In fact so many mirrors at finals.
GSL is just the tip of iceberg, so we cant Blame GSL because its not their fault.
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On September 09 2011 21:54 perestain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 21:43 Kewlots wrote:
I think this is silly Code S is the best league to watch game play wise, production wise, wise wise
It cant be touched by anything really imo True, but only if you especially like watching terran. If you do not particularly enjoy this, then the game is pretty much dead, from a viewers perspective, with some few exceptions. So, like it has always been, everyone has to decide for themselves if what is shown is interesting enough to warrant a ticket purchase. I can imagine though that utter dominance of a single race will not be a good thing in the long run, and the fact that gom is not responsible changes nothing in that respect.
I enjoy GSL over all other tournaments and i don't "especially like watching terran". It's the best league and if terrans are stong atm it will bleed through all tournaments, not only korean ones. Last GSL final had a ZvZ final btw. You just don't quit with the negative nancy attitude. Why not just take a break if it's that horrible?
Also you jump at people who write their opinions (using "imo"/"in my opinion") but you yourself always type in absolutes. "I you do not particularly enjoy this, then the game is pretty much dead". That's some heavy shit to say with no facts and a totally subjective view on the matter. Also "utter dominance" is some major bullshit as we had a ZvZ final last season and there's still lots of zergs and protoss IN code S.
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I like watching MLG because it happens rarely. It's a big show, I sacrifice my weekend, buy snacks, have fun rooting for esports.
GSL is all the fucking time. Several times a week, theres code s, code a, up and down, some team games, all stuff I don't even know about. It's all too often. When it was just GSL (the first 4 seasons?) it was entertaining to watch. I skipped everything until about Ro16. Now... just no.
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On September 09 2011 21:54 perestain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 21:43 Kewlots wrote:
I think this is silly Code S is the best league to watch game play wise, production wise, wise wise
It cant be touched by anything really imo there's still lots of zergs and protoss IN code S.
How does 12 Zerg and Protoss combined vs 20 Terrans count as 'lots'.
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On September 10 2011 00:07 perestain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 23:45 farnham wrote:On September 09 2011 22:52 Stratos_speAr wrote:On September 09 2011 21:56 farnham wrote:On September 09 2011 21:54 perestain wrote:On September 09 2011 21:43 Kewlots wrote:
I think this is silly Code S is the best league to watch game play wise, production wise, wise wise
It cant be touched by anything really imo True, but only if you especially like watching terran. If you do not particularly enjoy this, then the game is pretty much dead, from a viewers perspective, with some few exceptions. So, like it has always been, everyone has to decide for themselves if what is shown is interesting enough to warrant a ticket purchase. I can imagine though that utter dominance of a single race will not be a good thing in the long run, and the fact that gom is not responsible changes nothing in that respect. wow please stop sure there are a lot of terrans right now due to imbalance but a few month ago protosses were dominating its the metagame that is shifting and protoss just seems to have a hard time adapting right now Stop saying crap like this. Protoss has never gotten anywhere close to dominating at any point in SC2's history. what is 3 out of top 4 of gsl march then ? back when protoss had khaydarian amulet and archon toilets protoss were dominating There is no point in discussing this. If people dont want to watch anymore, they dont. You can try to prove their reasoning wrong all you want, but this will not make them want to watch again. GSL seems to be not for everybody right now. No one is to blame for that specifically, its just the way things went with the game imho. Maybe it will get more interesting again, or maybe not. We'll see.
i dont care if someone watches gsl or not
but if you are going to post in this forum and in this thread it means you care
so just posting in tvt is boring is not helping since gretech cant do jackshit about it.
if you dont care dont post in this thread and let it go
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Its not that I dont like watching terrans, its that the number of terrans has turned the tournament into "who has the best XvT?" which is discouraging, because there are so many great players who happen to be poor against terran due to their play style, but we never see them get past ro32.
I also think this is a reason why foreigners have trouble in GSL.
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On September 10 2011 01:33 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 21:54 perestain wrote:On September 09 2011 21:43 Kewlots wrote:
I think this is silly Code S is the best league to watch game play wise, production wise, wise wise
It cant be touched by anything really imo True, but only if you especially like watching terran. If you do not particularly enjoy this, then the game is pretty much dead, from a viewers perspective, with some few exceptions. So, like it has always been, everyone has to decide for themselves if what is shown is interesting enough to warrant a ticket purchase. I can imagine though that utter dominance of a single race will not be a good thing in the long run, and the fact that gom is not responsible changes nothing in that respect. I enjoy GSL over all other tournaments and i don't "especially like watching terran". It's the best league and if terrans are stong atm it will bleed through all tournaments, not only korean ones. Last GSL final had a ZvZ final btw. You just don't quit with the negative nancy attitude. Why not just take a break if it's that horrible? Also you jump at people who write their opinions (using "imo"/"in my opinion") but you yourself always type in absolutes. "I you do not particularly enjoy this, then the game is pretty much dead". That's some heavy shit to say with no facts and a totally subjective view on the matter. Also "utter dominance" is some major bullshit as we had a ZvZ final last season and there's still lots of zergs and protoss IN code S.
If you actually looked at the Code S bracket for July you would notice that on the top half of the bracket with nestea, there was only one terran (Ensnare lol). And six Terrans on the other side. Many of the good terrans were taken out by other terrans. Nestea got unbelievably lucky in his bracket. Losira did a great job but he got lucky too in meeting Byun (52% in TvZ) who miraculously beat Bomber who has a much better TvZ.
Edit: it's kind of funny how it works out sometimes. A lot of the time, people that advance are those that have good *vT. But imagine if the Terrans that were only good at TvT advanced, then they're going to be paired up with players in other races that are good vT (because everyone needs to be), but they aren't good outside of TvT. Such a heavy Terran dominated tournament leads to weird situations where people of other races can get far.
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There is an easy solution to make the GSL exciting again: all players [have to] play RANDOM. Some players switch races in todays "allstars matches" before the GSL finals.
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On September 10 2011 03:53 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2011 00:07 perestain wrote:On September 09 2011 23:45 farnham wrote:On September 09 2011 22:52 Stratos_speAr wrote:On September 09 2011 21:56 farnham wrote:On September 09 2011 21:54 perestain wrote:On September 09 2011 21:43 Kewlots wrote:
I think this is silly Code S is the best league to watch game play wise, production wise, wise wise
It cant be touched by anything really imo True, but only if you especially like watching terran. If you do not particularly enjoy this, then the game is pretty much dead, from a viewers perspective, with some few exceptions. So, like it has always been, everyone has to decide for themselves if what is shown is interesting enough to warrant a ticket purchase. I can imagine though that utter dominance of a single race will not be a good thing in the long run, and the fact that gom is not responsible changes nothing in that respect. wow please stop sure there are a lot of terrans right now due to imbalance but a few month ago protosses were dominating its the metagame that is shifting and protoss just seems to have a hard time adapting right now Stop saying crap like this. Protoss has never gotten anywhere close to dominating at any point in SC2's history. what is 3 out of top 4 of gsl march then ? back when protoss had khaydarian amulet and archon toilets protoss were dominating There is no point in discussing this. If people dont want to watch anymore, they dont. You can try to prove their reasoning wrong all you want, but this will not make them want to watch again. GSL seems to be not for everybody right now. No one is to blame for that specifically, its just the way things went with the game imho. Maybe it will get more interesting again, or maybe not. We'll see. i dont care if someone watches gsl or not but if you are going to post in this forum and in this thread it means you care so just posting in tvt is boring is not helping since gretech cant do jackshit about it. if you dont care dont post in this thread and let it go
Actually gretech can do more about it then any other group/organization in the world.
Their tournament is the biggest, has best players and gives out most money. For them a balanced game is of utmost importance. If Blizzard is not going to listen to them, they are not going to listen to anyone.
EDIT: Also, the stats they can provide to Blizzard mean the most as their players are the best and always play the best and most effective tactics (unlike Ladder).
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