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On September 09 2011 07:27 IamZieK wrote:
I generally only watch maybe 5 games out of the gsl (buying pass) theres just to many terrans and even less cast by tastosis. I would be willing to pay double to have tastosis cast all non tvt ^^ give them more pay+more hours = more watching!
theres not many headliners for zerg and toss just average and thats a big problem for viewership.
I dont think gom decided to bring in code a casters because tastosis were to expensive.
i believe tastosis just had to work way to much. if you look at open season 1 through 3 they had to cast everyday for 5 or more hours. thats way to much for anybodys throat.
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To me, alot of the joy i get from watching starcraft is due to the excitement. I'm sure everyone agrees with me on that one.
Whenever there's a guy from my country (which have never happened) competing, I'll root for him. My feelings about the game he's playing, will be amplified. Same thing happens when I watch my favourite players play. Mainly Jinro, ThorZaiN and HuK.
Overall, I get more excited to watch foreigners play. I don't know why that is. The thing people say about "I just wanna watch great games", I can't say I agree. I mean.. sure, I wanna see great games - but I would rather see my favourite player do well in a boring game.
I don't care that much if Leenock plays against Genius, or if TOP plays against Alicia. I don't have a "connection" with those players. And because of that, I'm not really that interested. The games may be great, and I will most likely watch them anyways - but not with the same excitement as if it was one of my favourite foreigners playing.
I think that's a lot of the reason Code S is losing entertainment value, and that's why many people prefer tournaments like MLG. More foreigners = more fun. Rooting for the underdogs. Rooting for people that come from our community. People that we can recognize ourselves in.
I don't have that "connection" with the korean players.
The games are still awesome though. I'm just not that excited to watch them.
Also, all the TvT can get quite tiresome for a protoss to watch.
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On September 09 2011 15:12 Ajaco92 wrote:
To me, alot of the joy i get from watching starcraft is due to the excitement. I'm sure everyone agrees with me on that one.
Whenever there's a guy from my country (which have never happened) competing, I'll root for him. My feelings about the game he's playing, will be amplified. Same thing happens when I watch my favourite players play. Mainly Jinro, ThorZaiN and HuK.
Overall, I get more excited to watch foreigners play. I don't know why that is. The thing people say about "I just wanna watch great games", I can't say I agree. I mean.. sure, I wanna see great games - but I would rather see my favourite player do well in a boring game.
I don't care that much if Leenock plays against Genius, or if TOP plays against Alicia. I don't have a "connection" with those players. And because of that, I'm not really that interested. The games may be great, and I will most likely watch them anyways - but not with the same excitement as if it was one of my favourite foreigners playing.
I think that's a lot of the reason Code S is losing entertainment value, and that's why many people prefer tournaments like MLG. More foreigners = more fun. Rooting for the underdogs. Rooting for people that come from our community. People that we can recognize ourselves in.
I don't have that "connection" with the korean players.
The games are still awesome though. I'm just not that excited to watch them.
Also, all the TvT can get quite tiresome for a protoss to watch.
For me watching foreigners is very entertaining, but I also really like watching korean players who have inspiring play, e.g. sage in the GSTL. I think it's for both of these types of players that we have fanclubs ^^
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On September 09 2011 15:12 Ajaco92 wrote:
To me, alot of the joy i get from watching starcraft is due to the excitement. I'm sure everyone agrees with me on that one.
Whenever there's a guy from my country (which have never happened) competing, I'll root for him. My feelings about the game he's playing, will be amplified. Same thing happens when I watch my favourite players play. Mainly Jinro, ThorZaiN and HuK.
Overall, I get more excited to watch foreigners play. I don't know why that is. The thing people say about "I just wanna watch great games", I can't say I agree. I mean.. sure, I wanna see great games - but I would rather see my favourite player do well in a boring game.
I don't care that much if Leenock plays against Genius, or if TOP plays against Alicia. I don't have a "connection" with those players. And because of that, I'm not really that interested. The games may be great, and I will most likely watch them anyways - but not with the same excitement as if it was one of my favourite foreigners playing.
I think that's a lot of the reason Code S is losing entertainment value, and that's why many people prefer tournaments like MLG. More foreigners = more fun. Rooting for the underdogs. Rooting for people that come from our community. People that we can recognize ourselves in.
I don't have that "connection" with the korean players.
The games are still awesome though. I'm just not that excited to watch them.
Also, all the TvT can get quite tiresome for a protoss to watch.
well its not gretechs fault that koreans are just better
gretech is trying to get foreigners but they fail horribly to win the first round of code a
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On September 08 2011 06:05 Blazinghand wrote:I think Code S is specifically designed to be exclusive and to require tournament wins or runner-upping to qualify. This seems like a much more "Code A" kind of thing to do, and Code A does have a qualifying tournament anyways. The current ways to get into Code S: - Win Code A
- Do well in Code A, do well in up/downs
- Win MLG
Code S is supposed to be a tournament only amongst the best of the best, champions fighting champions. I think for this reason gomtv has specifically avoided doing what you suggested.
This
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On September 08 2011 06:02 lizzard_warish wrote:
I can put my finger on why GSL is getting boring, and so can most people from what I've seen; watching thirty tvt's in a row is fucking gay.
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Poster isn't wrong.
GSL basically a vanilla craft. The game is about the dynamic of the three races. When a tournament is one race against itself eternally, it far less entertaining, especially as you see the same builds done over and over again rote.
XvY games are more interesting for their different paths they can take, and the number of those paths. TvT has few viable ones in comparison, so you're basically watching deja vu matches all day.
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You guys have to realize, it isn't GOM's fault that there are so many TvTs. They're not really doing anything to help these Terrans. Infact, they're even picking and modifying maps to help the other races (removing close positions, getting rid of maps that a terran can seige your natural from his natural, etc).
It is either A) Korean Terrans are that much better than everyone else or
B) Terran is imba atm
Both of those has nothing to do with GOM and there is nothing they can do about it while still keeping things fair.
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On September 09 2011 15:19 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 15:12 Ajaco92 wrote:
To me, alot of the joy i get from watching starcraft is due to the excitement. I'm sure everyone agrees with me on that one.
Whenever there's a guy from my country (which have never happened) competing, I'll root for him. My feelings about the game he's playing, will be amplified. Same thing happens when I watch my favourite players play. Mainly Jinro, ThorZaiN and HuK.
Overall, I get more excited to watch foreigners play. I don't know why that is. The thing people say about "I just wanna watch great games", I can't say I agree. I mean.. sure, I wanna see great games - but I would rather see my favourite player do well in a boring game.
I don't care that much if Leenock plays against Genius, or if TOP plays against Alicia. I don't have a "connection" with those players. And because of that, I'm not really that interested. The games may be great, and I will most likely watch them anyways - but not with the same excitement as if it was one of my favourite foreigners playing.
I think that's a lot of the reason Code S is losing entertainment value, and that's why many people prefer tournaments like MLG. More foreigners = more fun. Rooting for the underdogs. Rooting for people that come from our community. People that we can recognize ourselves in.
I don't have that "connection" with the korean players.
The games are still awesome though. I'm just not that excited to watch them.
Also, all the TvT can get quite tiresome for a protoss to watch. well its not gretechs fault that koreans are just better gretech is trying to get foreigners but they fail horribly to win the first round of code a
It doesnt matter at all if its gretechs fault or not. People choose to watch gsl bcause they enjoy it, not because they want to reward or punish gretech.
If they don't enjoy it anymore, they stop watching, and you have to respect that.
Its not enjoable for me because of the state of protoss and the state of foreigners (to a much lesser degree). It is not exciting to watch people you try to follow get spanked by default everytime by a mass of "incredible" terrans who abuse their race advantage and afterwards engage in long winded tvts to decide a winner. Yes there are some zergs there sometimes, too and yes ther are protoss in code a, but that doesnt make me want to buy a ticket.
You could disagree and say "Protoss is fine, terran players are just soo much better", alright, that'd be your opinion then.
But you can't tell people what to enjoy, you either enjoy something or you dont, nothing to discuss there and it ultimately doesnt matter whose fault it is.
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When 70% of the rooster is the same race I can tell it's not gonna be too exciting. I rather watch good protoss streams than most mirror games.
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At least TvT is the most interesting and stimulating matchup for me to watch.
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On September 09 2011 16:47 LoLAdriankat wrote:
At least TvT is the most interesting and stimulating matchup for me to watch.
Thats cool for you. Its a matter of preference though, to some people its the least interesting matchup to watch.
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On September 09 2011 16:51 perestain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 16:47 LoLAdriankat wrote:
At least TvT is the most interesting and stimulating matchup for me to watch. Thats cool for you. Its a matter of preference though, to some people its the least interesting matchup to watch.
Which would explain the two words "for me".
Still, I do hope a boss Z or P player comes out and does some inspiring shit. GSL race distribution is basically in the same spot as it was back in the open seasons and all it takes is one player to do some innovative stuff and for everyone to copy him. When MC came out, he made everyone think twice about saying Protoss was UP.
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On September 08 2011 06:09 ShootingStars wrote:
The format is way too unstable... TvT is boring... my favorite players can't last more than 5 consecutive seasons haha
You act like that's some trivial task.
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I, for one, actually really enjoy TvT........
Anyways, 1.4 should hopefully add some hype about the performance of Protoss.
Quick note: I hate to caster bash - but moletrap is not my favorite.... I really hate to say it because I feel like he might somehow read it... but he's just a little too unfunny/awkward. His banter seems a bit forced whereas his counterpart is more genuinely funny and has a sense of humor. It actually has stopped me from watching a few Code A games where as tastosis (or people near their entertainment value) would have had me watching in a heartbeat.
The other guy is great imo... Either moletrap just needs to relax or they need to make a change or something.... The code A guys just don't mesh very well together. It's like it feels like they wouldn't even be friends outside of casting lol.
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On September 09 2011 16:40 perestain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 15:19 farnham wrote:On September 09 2011 15:12 Ajaco92 wrote:
To me, alot of the joy i get from watching starcraft is due to the excitement. I'm sure everyone agrees with me on that one.
Whenever there's a guy from my country (which have never happened) competing, I'll root for him. My feelings about the game he's playing, will be amplified. Same thing happens when I watch my favourite players play. Mainly Jinro, ThorZaiN and HuK.
Overall, I get more excited to watch foreigners play. I don't know why that is. The thing people say about "I just wanna watch great games", I can't say I agree. I mean.. sure, I wanna see great games - but I would rather see my favourite player do well in a boring game.
I don't care that much if Leenock plays against Genius, or if TOP plays against Alicia. I don't have a "connection" with those players. And because of that, I'm not really that interested. The games may be great, and I will most likely watch them anyways - but not with the same excitement as if it was one of my favourite foreigners playing.
I think that's a lot of the reason Code S is losing entertainment value, and that's why many people prefer tournaments like MLG. More foreigners = more fun. Rooting for the underdogs. Rooting for people that come from our community. People that we can recognize ourselves in.
I don't have that "connection" with the korean players.
The games are still awesome though. I'm just not that excited to watch them.
Also, all the TvT can get quite tiresome for a protoss to watch. well its not gretechs fault that koreans are just better gretech is trying to get foreigners but they fail horribly to win the first round of code a It doesnt matter at all if its gretechs fault or not. People choose to watch gsl bcause they enjoy it, not because they want to reward or punish gretech. If they don't enjoy it anymore, they stop watching, and you have to respect that. Its not enjoable for me because of the state of protoss and the state of foreigners (to a much lesser degree). It is not exciting to watch people you try to follow get spanked by default everytime by a mass of "incredible" terrans who abuse their race advantage and afterwards engage in long winded tvts to decide a winner. Yes there are some zergs there sometimes, too and yes ther are protoss in code a, but that doesnt make me want to buy a ticket. You could disagree and say "Protoss is fine, terran players are just soo much better", alright, that'd be your opinion then. But you can't tell people what to enjoy, you either enjoy something or you dont, nothing to discuss there and it ultimately doesnt matter whose fault it is.
You seem very defensive about this. All the guy is saying is that koreans are just alot better than foreigners so even if we invite 100 foreigners to GSL almost 0 will make it. The competition is just too tough. If that detracts from you enjoyment of the GSL you should just stop watching and don't complain, as GOM can't do shit about it - foreign players needs to step it up.
Class balance fluctuates and if this terran domination keeps up i'm pretty sure Blizzard will switch some stuff around to tweak it. It's just that korean terrans are really good and if foreign terrans were on the same level we'd see the exact same thing in every "foreign" tournament. (already been like that a bit in MLG)
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My only problem with GomTV is that there are too few matches with GREAT players. I would love to see more matches with neastea and mvp. That's why I would like to see bo3 round robin group stage in code S. More matches with the very best players, more matches with code s players, more matches for a better player to prove himself (and not unfortunately drop down to code A) and more matches for the spectators.
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I think they need more caster diversity. Maybe a black man or a woman. Or a Indian or Latino. A real new diverse view on the game.
C. James Trotman argues that multiculturalism is valuable because it "uses several disciplines to highlight neglected aspects of our social history, particularly the histories of women and minorities [...and] promotes respect for the dignity of the lives and voices of the forgotten. By closing gaps, by raising consciousness about the past, multiculturalism tries to restore a sense of wholeness in a postmodern era that fragments human life and thought."
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On September 09 2011 07:22 makk wrote:
Zerg and Protoss both had periods where they were struggling but that has never happened to terran and they have always been near or at the top. So after a lot of seasons both protoss and zerg get whittled down meanwhile terran still stays at high to average and now we are left with a terran stacked tournament.
I think it still will be entertaining but I also don't find tvt a snore fest like the rest.. code a does seem to be better next season though. Shame tastosis don't cast that.
i couldn't agree more! at release we had the dark days of zerg where they were underpowered against both protoss and terran, and now we have protoss who are struggling against both terran and zerg! it's true that terrans had a period where they struggled against protoss (before the amulet was removed), never against zergs
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On September 09 2011 16:40 perestain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 15:19 farnham wrote:On September 09 2011 15:12 Ajaco92 wrote:
To me, alot of the joy i get from watching starcraft is due to the excitement. I'm sure everyone agrees with me on that one.
Whenever there's a guy from my country (which have never happened) competing, I'll root for him. My feelings about the game he's playing, will be amplified. Same thing happens when I watch my favourite players play. Mainly Jinro, ThorZaiN and HuK.
Overall, I get more excited to watch foreigners play. I don't know why that is. The thing people say about "I just wanna watch great games", I can't say I agree. I mean.. sure, I wanna see great games - but I would rather see my favourite player do well in a boring game.
I don't care that much if Leenock plays against Genius, or if TOP plays against Alicia. I don't have a "connection" with those players. And because of that, I'm not really that interested. The games may be great, and I will most likely watch them anyways - but not with the same excitement as if it was one of my favourite foreigners playing.
I think that's a lot of the reason Code S is losing entertainment value, and that's why many people prefer tournaments like MLG. More foreigners = more fun. Rooting for the underdogs. Rooting for people that come from our community. People that we can recognize ourselves in.
I don't have that "connection" with the korean players.
The games are still awesome though. I'm just not that excited to watch them.
Also, all the TvT can get quite tiresome for a protoss to watch. well its not gretechs fault that koreans are just better gretech is trying to get foreigners but they fail horribly to win the first round of code a It doesnt matter at all if its gretechs fault or not. People choose to watch gsl bcause they enjoy it, not because they want to reward or punish gretech. If they don't enjoy it anymore, they stop watching, and you have to respect that. Its not enjoable for me because of the state of protoss and the state of foreigners (to a much lesser degree). It is not exciting to watch people you try to follow get spanked by default everytime by a mass of "incredible" terrans who abuse their race advantage and afterwards engage in long winded tvts to decide a winner. Yes there are some zergs there sometimes, too and yes ther are protoss in code a, but that doesnt make me want to buy a ticket. You could disagree and say "Protoss is fine, terran players are just soo much better", alright, that'd be your opinion then. But you can't tell people what to enjoy, you either enjoy something or you dont, nothing to discuss there and it ultimately doesnt matter whose fault it is.
im not saying that the protoss situation is fine. but that is primarily a problem of the protoss players themselves and secondarily a balance issue that has to be solved by blizzard. you can blame gom that they dont try to get better maps that help with that balance issue maybe. but dont forget that in gsl march people said that protoss was overpowered due to khaydarian amulets (3 out of top 4 were protoss). the balance problem is still being sorted out and next patch will have several protoss buffs
also the foreigner situation is a fault of the foreigners not gretech. they did the best to gt in some foreigners. they suck and loose first round what the hell is gretech supposed to do. give them a freeticket to the finals ?
sure if you dont like gsl dont watch it. but dont complain about things that gretech has no power over at all.
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