EPTI think it still will be entertaining but I also don't find tvt a snore fest like the rest.. code a does seem to be better next season though. Shame tastosis don't cast that.
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makk
United Kingdom132 Posts
I think it still will be entertaining but I also don't find tvt a snore fest like the rest.. code a does seem to be better next season though. Shame tastosis don't cast that. | ||
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IamZieK
Canada162 Posts
theres not many headliners for zerg and toss just average and thats a big problem for viewership. | ||
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SetStndbySmn
United States657 Posts
Whenever a race has trouble and laments it a bit, others respond: "We" adapted, "you" need to innovate. Let's be real here: there is no "we"- us foreign mastersish players who don't make a career off the game watch the best of the best play our race, and copy them. Over the past few months of protoss struggle, I have tuned in night after night with high hopes of seeing something new brought to the table, only to be disappointed again and again. However, there have been a few beacons of hope arising, who, for the first time in awhile, rekindled my excitement to play. Long story short and the point of this paragraph, is I think players like JYP/Sage/Hero are some of our best hopes for innovation and they are in code a. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
Only natural, really. MLG is very exciting because it crams itself into such a short time span. but in the end, I just view the MLG winner either as 'a Korean' or 'a guy who needs to go prove himself in Korea'. The skewed racial balance is the most painful thing right now. it'll fix itself before too long, hopefully. | ||
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GrimReefer
United States442 Posts
I think the meta-game has reached a temporary plateau. almost every TvT is marine/tank/medivac/vikings. the first few times pro's starting making BC's i freak out. it was awesome, and exciting. i used to loathe TvZ b/c it was always marine/tank vs muta/ling/bling. then we started seeing roaches, and infestors and neural parasite and broodlords; and it was exciting again. after awhile the PvZ protoss deathball got REALLY boring to watch. then the game changed and infestors came out, and hydra drops, and bling bombs; and it got exciting. if the meta-game reaches another level i think the game will become exciting again. (obviously i'm ignoring all the nerfs and buffs that brought about the meta-game changes, but if i dig too deep i'll never get out....) | ||
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Mylkyjo
Australia110 Posts
We'd be able to see the best that each race has to offer, the best players and we'd probably see more variety throughout the tournament. | ||
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skatbone
United States1005 Posts
On September 09 2011 08:42 GrimReefer wrote: aside from my previous argument that gsl gives too much time for the players to prepare for a singular match-up against a specific player: I think the meta-game has reached a temporary plateau. almost every TvT is marine/tank/medivac/vikings. the first few times pro's starting making BC's i freak out. it was awesome, and exciting. i used to loathe TvZ b/c it was always marine/tank vs muta/ling/bling. then we started seeing roaches, and infestors and neural parasite and broodlords; and it was exciting again. after awhile the PvZ protoss deathball got REALLY boring to watch. then the game changed and infestors came out, and hydra drops, and bling bombs; and it got exciting. if the meta-game reaches another level i think the game will become exciting again. (obviously i'm ignoring all the nerfs and buffs that brought about the meta-game changes, but if i dig too deep i'll never get out....) What TvTs have you been watching? I often don't want to watch TvT but I'd argue it is much more dynamic than you claim here. Blue flame openings and banshees in the mid game are far more common than they used to be. Thors to counter over-investments in vikings. Occasional mass bio. If anything, TvT has experienced a significant shifting plateau over the last few months. I'll echo the sentiments regarding the frequency with which GSL matches occur and also the fast elimination (compared to MLG pools). I tend to prefer tournaments that are rarer and packed into a smaller time frame. | ||
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
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Xxavi
United States1248 Posts
Here is a solution, why doesn't Blizzard make P and Z so overpowered, that the skewed race distribution does not happen. Players being professional, if above (about the number of players playing each race) is true, it will even really quickly. I'd like to see point in time when actually P is overpowered. Now, this post wasn't just to whine about the imbalance, but rather a rebuttal to 10s of posts implying above. Another big factor for me is the emergence of MLG. I don't have to stay awake and ruin my daily schedule to watch good quality matches. I can watch it during a convenient time. There's nothing GSL/GOM can do about this, however, if my favorite players were playing, I'd even keep awake to watch them. So they better tell Blizzard to fix the damn game, otherwise a lot of fans are losing interest in their tourneys. | ||
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Sanasante
United States321 Posts
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Partypants
Australia50 Posts
 Then you get players like Dimaga and White-ra who can beat the best of the best but don't stick it out in korea! | ||
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Bippzy
United States1466 Posts
On September 09 2011 07:21 parkin wrote: One thing I really hate with GSL is the login and pay to view system. I just want quick easy access to waste some time and lazily watch some vods not pay to watch some games for some games that may suck and are already full of commercials. Thats one thing I like about Dreamhack tournaments and broodwar tournaments. They are so easilty accessible. Another example of why this has become the "Bash GSL" thread. Also your post is moot, are you suggesting they make it free? TvT is entertaining, you have to put yourself in a terrans shoes. You should honestly be able to enjoy every matchup if you watch and play starcraft enough(Started out with me only watching toss, then i team gamed as zerg and saw some cool ZvT which got me into terran) TvT is a really good matchup. I can't think of any bad TvTs ive seen this GSL | ||
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Durp
Canada3117 Posts
The only player I enjoy watching is NesTea at this point, because he always shows me something to do with zerg I've never seen before. I used to enjoy watching MVP back in the day when he was miles ahead of everyone. But now that most of these top terrans are on the same level, I just can't handle the slow deliberate play of TvT. Especially when I'd rather be counting sheep or watching baneling drops. | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
All things are poison, and nothing is without poison; only the dose permits something not to be poisonous. This translates into "too much of a good thing is bad" in the case of the GSL and they really should focus their broadcasts more instead of spreading them out over too much time. That is the key advantage of MLG, DH, IEM ... they are done after 3 days, but GOM has to kinda make a "5 days a week throughout the whole year" schedule out of it due to their sole commitment to SC2 and the nature of their "permanently employed people" model of business. GOM is scraping the "SC2 butter" over too much bread and thats why it gets boring. They really need another game to show in addition to SC2 and then need to add more spice into the GSL by NOT giving the players a week to practice for every opponent. | ||
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
On September 09 2011 10:50 Sanasante wrote: Not sure if this is posted because I really do not want to read through 40 pages of posts; however, I believe that Airing the Qualifier Rounds for Code A (Code B) would give the GSL a much more MLG Atmosphere. Would also help with the appreciation of how hard Code S is to reach. Thus adding more of a mystique feeling. Just some thoughts. They do. Not in the GSL Code A / S style, because that would be impossible for an open tournament of that scale, but they try to cast as many good games as possible as well as the finals of the brackets. | ||
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Canadaehz
Canada59 Posts
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farnham
1378 Posts
On September 09 2011 10:47 Xxavi wrote: I'd like to see point in time when actually P is overpowered.. GSL March when ogsMC, SanZenith and AnyproPrime took top 4 ? (When we had khaydarian amulet) | ||
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farnham
1378 Posts
On September 09 2011 14:14 Rabiator wrote: Roughly 500 years ago there was a guy called Paracelsus (actually Philippus Aureolus Theophrastus Bombastus von Hohenheim ...) and he said one very important thing which applies to almost every situation in life: All things are poison, and nothing is without poison; only the dose permits something not to be poisonous. This translates into "too much of a good thing is bad" in the case of the GSL and they really should focus their broadcasts more instead of spreading them out over too much time. That is the key advantage of MLG, DH, IEM ... they are done after 3 days, but GOM has to kinda make a "5 days a week throughout the whole year" schedule out of it due to their sole commitment to SC2 and the nature of their "permanently employed people" model of business. GOM is scraping the "SC2 butter" over too much bread and thats why it gets boring. They really need another game to show in addition to SC2 and then need to add more spice into the GSL by NOT giving the players a week to practice for every opponent. no.. you dont understand the bw vs. sc2 situation over there at all. if gom chooses to show another game (lets say bw) that would mean doom for the sc2 scene over there i would love a starfox 64 showmatch or a kingdom under fire showmatch though | ||
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nemo14
United States425 Posts
On September 09 2011 10:47 Xxavi wrote: It's baffling that there are some on here who are still sticking to "well the race distribution corroborates with the amount of Korean players playing each race" argument, which is based on nothing. Another one is "current crop of Terrans are just that much more talented". Eh, is that what you conclude after watching 60 TvTs? Or all sorts of all-ins from Terrans? Here is a solution, why doesn't Blizzard make P and Z so overpowered, that the skewed race distribution does not happen. Players being professional, if above (about the number of players playing each race) is true, it will even really quickly. I'd like to see point in time when actually P is overpowered. Now, this post wasn't just to whine about the imbalance, but rather a rebuttal to 10s of posts implying above. Another big factor for me is the emergence of MLG. I don't have to stay awake and ruin my daily schedule to watch good quality matches. I can watch it during a convenient time. There's nothing GSL/GOM can do about this, however, if my favorite players were playing, I'd even keep awake to watch them. So they better tell Blizzard to fix the damn game, otherwise a lot of fans are losing interest in their tourneys. It would be nice for the scientist in all of us if Blizzard would spend a few months buffing the hell out of individual races and publishing the stats with their changes highlighted. "All right, zerglings now spawn with 1-1 and adrenal glands from the get-go, infestors have 180 hp, mutas have a movement speed of 6 and 2 armor, ultras cost 100/100, roaches are 1.5 supply. How are you guys doing?" Terran: "Oh man, those changes were pretty tough to adapt to. What else you got?" Protoss: *gurgles* | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On September 09 2011 14:39 farnham wrote: no.. you dont understand the bw vs. sc2 situation over there at all. if gom chooses to show another game (lets say bw) that would mean doom for the sc2 scene over there i would love a starfox 64 showmatch or a kingdom under fire showmatch though Actually GOM could make some kind of deal with Kespa , now that Kespa is in need of a broadcasting station , since MBCgame wil turn in to a music channel and stop broadcasting BW in the near future , and this time the players will have the time to practise and participate in the league . This could draw closer together SC2 and BW progamers and fans alike and maybe grow the SC2 scene also in korea . | ||
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