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On September 09 2011 05:31 Yamulo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 05:03 farnham wrote:its hardly gretechs fault that the korean terrans are doing so well.. its not a korea only phenomenon too. usually you see (korean) terrans winning tournaments everywhere. i believe if they bring back them khaydarian amulets protosses everywhere will be back again. On September 09 2011 05:01 perestain wrote:On September 09 2011 00:54 -_- wrote:
The reason why I don't watch GSL any more is pretty simple. I only watch matches in which Protoss participates. Because there are not that many Protoss in the GSL, and because when they do play I can predict the result, there's no reason for me to watch anymore. +1 Also i can't stand tvt especially, its the most boring matchup to watch and it usually makes up for the majority of the games when the GSL finals come closer. last gsl we had no tvt (zvp and zvt) and the finals were zvz This is our third tvt final...... But yes code S makes me lose interest after all the protoss get knocked out..
dont forget that we also had two zvp finals (mc vs. july and nestea vs. inca)
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On September 09 2011 05:31 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 05:25 xN.07)MaK wrote:On September 09 2011 05:12 eggs wrote:On September 09 2011 05:01 perestain wrote:On September 09 2011 00:54 -_- wrote:
The reason why I don't watch GSL any more is pretty simple. I only watch matches in which Protoss participates. Because there are not that many Protoss in the GSL, and because when they do play I can predict the result, there's no reason for me to watch anymore. +1 I've followed the first 5 or 6 seasons, but I wont buy a ticket for like two games I'm interested in. Also i can't stand tvt, its the most boring matchup to watch and usually makes up for the majority of the games when the finals come closer. yep, same boat. it's been way too Terran heavy and I personally just think the 3 Terran match-ups are more boring than the 3 non-Terran match-ups. I haven't really bothered staying up unless it was a Zerg-heavy night. it's not Gom's fault that no matter how Terran plays (1/1/1 all in, turtle, or anything in between) it's just not that exciting to most spectators. I think the other problem is there's a Korean Terran style, and, well, we see it way too much. It's like watching Spurs games all the time. Sure, I love basketball, but I'd rather watch college basketball than the Spurs playing. Such a statement. Kind of biased. I enjoy TvP and TvZ that are not one-sided (yes, we need better Ps and Zs to compete with top Ts, they are not even closer to them in terms of skill). And talk about other mirror matches, PvP and ZvZ. TvT is by far the most entertaining to watch and sometimes produces epic matches. Of course, everything that needs to be patched should be done, but still I think Top Ts are way better than Top Ps, for instance. Once thing is to lose to 1-1-1, and a different thing is to die to whatever T throws at you. Example (Up and Down spoiler): + Show Spoiler +MKP (mid tier T) wins JYP and Tester just because the first loses 13 probes to a drop he knew it was coming and the second tries to 3gate blink all in vs a standard 1raxCC. how the hell is a three time finalist a mid tier player ?
Right now, if you consider the likes of MVP, Bomber, Puma, MMA, Ryung, Polt, Top... Too many players above him
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i'm another consistent subscriber who will be jumping ship until the game gets adjusted so that there's not so many terrans. this isn't really sulking, and i agree TvT may be a great match up, but there's 5 other match-ups i also love equally as much (well, TvP a bit painful atm). And we're missing many of these. OP or not, I dont want to watch all terran, all the time.
Code A looks potentially great though, if the patch hits before that season I may watch this, to see what people do with the new balances.
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The Spurs were awesome at their peak. T Dunc baseline backboard shots, manu cutting and slashing. It's just now that T Dunc's old that they're less exciting (arguably not true with TP).
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On September 09 2011 05:34 xN.07)MaK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 05:31 farnham wrote:On September 09 2011 05:25 xN.07)MaK wrote:On September 09 2011 05:12 eggs wrote:On September 09 2011 05:01 perestain wrote:On September 09 2011 00:54 -_- wrote:
The reason why I don't watch GSL any more is pretty simple. I only watch matches in which Protoss participates. Because there are not that many Protoss in the GSL, and because when they do play I can predict the result, there's no reason for me to watch anymore. +1 I've followed the first 5 or 6 seasons, but I wont buy a ticket for like two games I'm interested in. Also i can't stand tvt, its the most boring matchup to watch and usually makes up for the majority of the games when the finals come closer. yep, same boat. it's been way too Terran heavy and I personally just think the 3 Terran match-ups are more boring than the 3 non-Terran match-ups. I haven't really bothered staying up unless it was a Zerg-heavy night. it's not Gom's fault that no matter how Terran plays (1/1/1 all in, turtle, or anything in between) it's just not that exciting to most spectators. I think the other problem is there's a Korean Terran style, and, well, we see it way too much. It's like watching Spurs games all the time. Sure, I love basketball, but I'd rather watch college basketball than the Spurs playing. Such a statement. Kind of biased. I enjoy TvP and TvZ that are not one-sided (yes, we need better Ps and Zs to compete with top Ts, they are not even closer to them in terms of skill). And talk about other mirror matches, PvP and ZvZ. TvT is by far the most entertaining to watch and sometimes produces epic matches. Of course, everything that needs to be patched should be done, but still I think Top Ts are way better than Top Ps, for instance. Once thing is to lose to 1-1-1, and a different thing is to die to whatever T throws at you. Example (Up and Down spoiler): + Show Spoiler +MKP (mid tier T) wins JYP and Tester just because the first loses 13 probes to a drop he knew it was coming and the second tries to 3gate blink all in vs a standard 1raxCC. how the hell is a three time finalist a mid tier player ? Right now, if you consider the likes of MVP, Bomber, Puma, MMA, Ryung, Polt, Top... Too many players above him
Precisely. MKP was once a top tier player, but that's changed. Then again, his gimmicky style seems to be working again these days, so who knows if he'll bounce back to the top?
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Code S -> Code T
That's really why I'm liking it less and less.
I like some of the Terran players, but I prefer watching non-mirror match-ups.
Furthermore, my least favorite match-up to watch is TvT. I appreciate the difficulty of the chess game, but I just can't watch a best of three where each game is forty minutes long and there isn't as much action or opponents playing on a razor's edge as ZvZ or PvP. I've started to just root for whoever wins the first game, in hopes that there will only be two games played.
Plus, I play Protoss x.x
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On September 09 2011 05:34 xN.07)MaK wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 05:31 farnham wrote:On September 09 2011 05:25 xN.07)MaK wrote:On September 09 2011 05:12 eggs wrote:On September 09 2011 05:01 perestain wrote:On September 09 2011 00:54 -_- wrote:
The reason why I don't watch GSL any more is pretty simple. I only watch matches in which Protoss participates. Because there are not that many Protoss in the GSL, and because when they do play I can predict the result, there's no reason for me to watch anymore. +1 I've followed the first 5 or 6 seasons, but I wont buy a ticket for like two games I'm interested in. Also i can't stand tvt, its the most boring matchup to watch and usually makes up for the majority of the games when the finals come closer. yep, same boat. it's been way too Terran heavy and I personally just think the 3 Terran match-ups are more boring than the 3 non-Terran match-ups. I haven't really bothered staying up unless it was a Zerg-heavy night. it's not Gom's fault that no matter how Terran plays (1/1/1 all in, turtle, or anything in between) it's just not that exciting to most spectators. I think the other problem is there's a Korean Terran style, and, well, we see it way too much. It's like watching Spurs games all the time. Sure, I love basketball, but I'd rather watch college basketball than the Spurs playing. Such a statement. Kind of biased. I enjoy TvP and TvZ that are not one-sided (yes, we need better Ps and Zs to compete with top Ts, they are not even closer to them in terms of skill). And talk about other mirror matches, PvP and ZvZ. TvT is by far the most entertaining to watch and sometimes produces epic matches. Of course, everything that needs to be patched should be done, but still I think Top Ts are way better than Top Ps, for instance. Once thing is to lose to 1-1-1, and a different thing is to die to whatever T throws at you. Example (Up and Down spoiler): + Show Spoiler +MKP (mid tier T) wins JYP and Tester just because the first loses 13 probes to a drop he knew it was coming and the second tries to 3gate blink all in vs a standard 1raxCC. how the hell is a three time finalist a mid tier player ? Right now, if you consider the likes of MVP, Bomber, Puma, MMA, Ryung, Polt, Top... Too many players above him
i dont know if those players are above marine king.
mkp was in a slump recently but he made his way to the finals of code a and he also made his way back to code s.
if you look at the records, outside of mvp and optimus, mkp has better results then the players you mentioned
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On September 09 2011 05:16 eggs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 05:14 Hikari wrote:
The terrans in Code S are there because they win their matches.
In fact I am surprised that there are still 8 terrans in Code A even though every single decently good terran already secured a Code S spot. Koreans play Terran more than the other two races. Makes sense that the distribution of races is Terran heavy in any Korean tournament.
Thank you for adding some sense into this thread.
Its the Boxer Effect -- pretty much every Korean Terran cites him as their role model and inspiration to get into E-Sports.
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we will get a patch with significant terran nerfs and protoss buffs very soon. lets see how that pans out
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On September 09 2011 05:37 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 05:34 xN.07)MaK wrote:On September 09 2011 05:31 farnham wrote:On September 09 2011 05:25 xN.07)MaK wrote:On September 09 2011 05:12 eggs wrote:On September 09 2011 05:01 perestain wrote:On September 09 2011 00:54 -_- wrote:
The reason why I don't watch GSL any more is pretty simple. I only watch matches in which Protoss participates. Because there are not that many Protoss in the GSL, and because when they do play I can predict the result, there's no reason for me to watch anymore. +1 I've followed the first 5 or 6 seasons, but I wont buy a ticket for like two games I'm interested in. Also i can't stand tvt, its the most boring matchup to watch and usually makes up for the majority of the games when the finals come closer. yep, same boat. it's been way too Terran heavy and I personally just think the 3 Terran match-ups are more boring than the 3 non-Terran match-ups. I haven't really bothered staying up unless it was a Zerg-heavy night. it's not Gom's fault that no matter how Terran plays (1/1/1 all in, turtle, or anything in between) it's just not that exciting to most spectators. I think the other problem is there's a Korean Terran style, and, well, we see it way too much. It's like watching Spurs games all the time. Sure, I love basketball, but I'd rather watch college basketball than the Spurs playing. Such a statement. Kind of biased. I enjoy TvP and TvZ that are not one-sided (yes, we need better Ps and Zs to compete with top Ts, they are not even closer to them in terms of skill). And talk about other mirror matches, PvP and ZvZ. TvT is by far the most entertaining to watch and sometimes produces epic matches. Of course, everything that needs to be patched should be done, but still I think Top Ts are way better than Top Ps, for instance. Once thing is to lose to 1-1-1, and a different thing is to die to whatever T throws at you. Example (Up and Down spoiler): + Show Spoiler +MKP (mid tier T) wins JYP and Tester just because the first loses 13 probes to a drop he knew it was coming and the second tries to 3gate blink all in vs a standard 1raxCC. how the hell is a three time finalist a mid tier player ? Right now, if you consider the likes of MVP, Bomber, Puma, MMA, Ryung, Polt, Top... Too many players above him i dont know if those players are above marine king. mkp was in a slump recently but he made his way to the finals of code a and he also made his way back to code s. if you look at the records, outside of mvp and optimus, mkp has better results then the players you mentioned
MVP, Puma, MMA, and Bomber are above MKP... he made up the last 3  He is a top tier player IMO...
and thats all you are gonna get from people... is their opinion unless you look at International ELO in which case he is the 5th best terran.
And boy does everyone have an opinion
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we have our protoss hopes hongun, sage, puzzle, tassadar and jyp still in the gsl. san is out but he will bounce back again im sure. its certainly a bad stage. but lets not forget gsl march when protoss players stomped people like there is no tommorow.
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People just cant appreciate the beauty of TvT :D. While TvT is pure shit to play, it's super fun to watch. Has some of the best dynamics and provide vastly different games depending on strategies (bio v mech v air).
Basically all the terran units are used in TvT, every single one, unlike most other matchups.
Maybe people just dont understand the matchup? I dont know, either way - more TvTs please!
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On September 09 2011 05:09 Whitewing wrote:
GSL may want to consider putting limits on how many people of an individual race are allowed in the tournament at any particular given point in time (arbitrarily no more than half or something). Having just shy of 2/3 of code S be terran kills it for me, personally. While it is a tournament of skill and it would suck to be barred because of your race selection, there is still sufficient competition to get into the tournament that anyone getting in will be skilled enough to provide decent games, and it may encourage some players to switch races.
Just a thought, I'm sure a lot of people would hate it, and for reasons I can well understand.
And just how would you implement such a drastic change? Just kick some code S terrans out and tell them to wait for the next season? You might want to keep in mind that their livelihood is dependant on participating in GSL, because sponsorship money is scarce and GSL is the only major tournament in Korea.
And encourage players to switch races? Really? Most of these guys have been practising their races for over a year. If a race barrier was implemented and players started switching, it would take them months of practise and a loss of thousands of dollars until they become as competitive with their new race.
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On September 09 2011 05:44 Deadlyfish wrote:
Basically all the terran units are used in TvT, every single one, unlike most other matchups.
that has to do with the viability of all Terran units, and has nothing to do with TvT.
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I watched all the seasons and almost all the games(including gstl), but lately i start skipping games. Mainly due to mass fall of protoss in code s. It's painly to see a game end by one emp or one bad attack from protoss. I am rethinking if i will buy a ticket next season.
I still do enjoy players like nestea and MVP but i am getting frustrating watching the protoss games. Hopefully some strong protoss will turn the tie but i am not looking forward in games with people like hong-un and genius.
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I agree with the TvT statement. But I feel like it also has to do with favorites being inconsistent. It makes it hard to generate a dedicated, loyal fanbase that will never miss their favorite players play.
Code S players should play more games than currently before being eliminated from the tournament for the season.
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On September 09 2011 05:45 eggs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 05:44 Deadlyfish wrote:
Basically all the terran units are used in TvT, every single one, unlike most other matchups. that has to do with the viability of all Terran units, and has nothing to do with TvT.
yeah protoss have two units that are basically waste (carrier, mothership)
blizzard made archons a very viable unit. i hope they will do the same to motherships and carriers
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On September 09 2011 05:41 farnham wrote:
we have our protoss hopes hongun, sage, puzzle, tassadar and jyp still in the gsl. san is out but he will bounce back again im sure. its certainly a bad stage. but lets not forget gsl march when protoss players stomped people like there is no tommorow.
well the thread is about GSL's entertainment value, and honestly I don't care much at all about hongun, sage, or tassadar. it's true I haven't been paying as much attention to the recent seasons of GSL as I have before, but I just don't remember these 3 players being very fun to root for/against.
Puzzle and JYP are memorable though.
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this is ridiculous. GSL which has way more production value and better games... well kind of.. sort of. but yea GSL is THE tournament of SC2, no one can dispute that. comparing MLG and GSL is really impossible too and MLG is nowhere near GSL at the moment. This is just a long and ridiculous way of saying that ur bored of GSL. So what? No one forces you to watch GSL, just don't post a long thread about how GSL is getting boring.... (wait... 20 terrans... fuuuuuuuk) but u get my point.
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On September 09 2011 05:50 eggs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 05:41 farnham wrote:
we have our protoss hopes hongun, sage, puzzle, tassadar and jyp still in the gsl. san is out but he will bounce back again im sure. its certainly a bad stage. but lets not forget gsl march when protoss players stomped people like there is no tommorow. well the thread is about GSL's entertainment value, and honestly I don't care much at all about hongun, sage, or tassadar. it's true I haven't been paying as much attention to the recent seasons of GSL as I have before, but I just don't remember these 3 players being very fun to root for/against. Puzzle and JYP are memorable though.
well if you dont watch gsl anyways
i dont know why you are posting in this thread
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