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farnham
Profile Joined January 2011
1378 Posts
September 08 2011 19:42 GMT
#721
On September 09 2011 00:54 -_- wrote:
The reason why I don't watch GSL any more is pretty simple. I only watch matches in which Protoss participates. Because there are not that many Protoss in the GSL, and because when they do play I can predict the result, there's no reason for me to watch anymore.

there are twelve protosses in code a
perestain
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 20:03:21
September 08 2011 20:01 GMT
#722
On September 09 2011 00:54 -_- wrote:
The reason why I don't watch GSL any more is pretty simple. I only watch matches in which Protoss participates. Because there are not that many Protoss in the GSL, and because when they do play I can predict the result, there's no reason for me to watch anymore.

+1

I've followed the first 5 or 6 seasons, but I wont buy a ticket for like two games I'm interested in.
Also i can't stand tvt, its the most boring matchup to watch and usually makes up for the majority of the games when the finals come closer.
No matter how hot it gets, sooner or later there's a cool breeze coming in.
farnham
Profile Joined January 2011
1378 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 20:05:01
September 08 2011 20:03 GMT
#723
its hardly gretechs fault that the korean terrans are doing so well..

its not a korea only phenomenon too. usually you see (korean) terrans winning tournaments everywhere.

i believe if they bring back them khaydarian amulets protosses everywhere will be back again.
On September 09 2011 05:01 perestain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 00:54 -_- wrote:
The reason why I don't watch GSL any more is pretty simple. I only watch matches in which Protoss participates. Because there are not that many Protoss in the GSL, and because when they do play I can predict the result, there's no reason for me to watch anymore.


+1

Also i can't stand tvt especially, its the most boring matchup to watch and it usually makes up for the majority of the games when the GSL finals come closer.

last gsl we had no tvt (zvp and zvt) and the finals were zvz
perestain
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 20:06:36
September 08 2011 20:05 GMT
#724
On September 09 2011 05:03 farnham wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 05:01 perestain wrote:
On September 09 2011 00:54 -_- wrote:
The reason why I don't watch GSL any more is pretty simple. I only watch matches in which Protoss participates. Because there are not that many Protoss in the GSL, and because when they do play I can predict the result, there's no reason for me to watch anymore.


+1

Also i can't stand tvt especially, its the most boring matchup to watch and it usually makes up for the majority of the games when the GSL finals come closer.

last gsl we had no tvt (zvp and zvt) and the finals were zvz


zvz.. alright..

why not have separate mirror leagues only, it would be quite nice, since I dont believe in cross-race balance anyways, its quite arbitrary who wins unless there are fair circumstances for the players. I'd certainly buy a pass for a pvp league, its the only MU I'm interested in anyways right now.
No matter how hot it gets, sooner or later there's a cool breeze coming in.
farnham
Profile Joined January 2011
1378 Posts
September 08 2011 20:08 GMT
#725
On September 09 2011 05:05 perestain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 05:03 farnham wrote:
On September 09 2011 05:01 perestain wrote:
On September 09 2011 00:54 -_- wrote:
The reason why I don't watch GSL any more is pretty simple. I only watch matches in which Protoss participates. Because there are not that many Protoss in the GSL, and because when they do play I can predict the result, there's no reason for me to watch anymore.


+1

Also i can't stand tvt especially, its the most boring matchup to watch and it usually makes up for the majority of the games when the GSL finals come closer.

last gsl we had no tvt (zvp and zvt) and the finals were zvz


zvz.. alright..

why not have separate mirror leagues only, it would be quite nice, since I dont believe in cross-race balance anyways, its quite arbitrary who wins unless there are fair circumstances for the players. I'd certainly buy a pass for a pvp league, its the only MU I'm interested in anyways right now.

i do agree that there are balance issues yes. but its not gretechs fault. its blizzards fault.

anyways code a will pretty much be a pvp fest and you had a pvp code a final last month too
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
September 08 2011 20:09 GMT
#726
GSL may want to consider putting limits on how many people of an individual race are allowed in the tournament at any particular given point in time (arbitrarily no more than half or something). Having just shy of 2/3 of code S be terran kills it for me, personally. While it is a tournament of skill and it would suck to be barred because of your race selection, there is still sufficient competition to get into the tournament that anyone getting in will be skilled enough to provide decent games, and it may encourage some players to switch races.

Just a thought, I'm sure a lot of people would hate it, and for reasons I can well understand.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
farnham
Profile Joined January 2011
1378 Posts
September 08 2011 20:12 GMT
#727
On September 09 2011 05:09 Whitewing wrote:
GSL may want to consider putting limits on how many people of an individual race are allowed in the tournament at any particular given point in time (arbitrarily no more than half or something). Having just shy of 2/3 of code S be terran kills it for me, personally. While it is a tournament of skill and it would suck to be barred because of your race selection, there is still sufficient competition to get into the tournament that anyone getting in will be skilled enough to provide decent games, and it may encourage some players to switch races.

Just a thought, I'm sure a lot of people would hate it, and for reasons I can well understand.


no

simply no.
eggs
Profile Joined August 2010
1011 Posts
September 08 2011 20:12 GMT
#728
On September 09 2011 05:01 perestain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 00:54 -_- wrote:
The reason why I don't watch GSL any more is pretty simple. I only watch matches in which Protoss participates. Because there are not that many Protoss in the GSL, and because when they do play I can predict the result, there's no reason for me to watch anymore.

+1

I've followed the first 5 or 6 seasons, but I wont buy a ticket for like two games I'm interested in.
Also i can't stand tvt, its the most boring matchup to watch and usually makes up for the majority of the games when the finals come closer.


yep, same boat. it's been way too Terran heavy and I personally just think the 3 Terran match-ups are more boring than the 3 non-Terran match-ups. I haven't really bothered staying up unless it was a Zerg-heavy night.

it's not Gom's fault that no matter how Terran plays (1/1/1 all in, turtle, or anything in between) it's just not that exciting to most spectators. I think the other problem is there's a Korean Terran style, and, well, we see it way too much. It's like watching Spurs games all the time. Sure, I love basketball, but I'd rather watch college basketball than the Spurs playing.
xN.07)MaK
Profile Joined January 2006
Spain1159 Posts
September 08 2011 20:14 GMT
#729
On September 09 2011 05:09 Whitewing wrote:
GSL may want to consider putting limits on how many people of an individual race are allowed in the tournament at any particular given point in time (arbitrarily no more than half or something). Having just shy of 2/3 of code S be terran kills it for me, personally. While it is a tournament of skill and it would suck to be barred because of your race selection, there is still sufficient competition to get into the tournament that anyone getting in will be skilled enough to provide decent games, and it may encourage some players to switch races.

Just a thought, I'm sure a lot of people would hate it, and for reasons I can well understand.


Very unfair system. Good players might be stuck just because there are many of his race in code S, even if they are better than code S players of all races.

I understand now there are many Ts, but this is not the way to fix it.
El micro es el último recurso que les queda a los que no producen lo suficiente
Hikari
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
1914 Posts
September 08 2011 20:14 GMT
#730
The terrans in Code S are there because they win their matches.
In fact I am surprised that there are still 8 terrans in Code A even though every single decently good terran already secured a Code S spot.
eggs
Profile Joined August 2010
1011 Posts
September 08 2011 20:16 GMT
#731
On September 09 2011 05:14 Hikari wrote:
The terrans in Code S are there because they win their matches.
In fact I am surprised that there are still 8 terrans in Code A even though every single decently good terran already secured a Code S spot.


Koreans play Terran more than the other two races. Makes sense that the distribution of races is Terran heavy in any Korean tournament.
Bedrock
Profile Joined October 2010
United States395 Posts
September 08 2011 20:25 GMT
#732
On September 09 2011 05:16 eggs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 05:14 Hikari wrote:
The terrans in Code S are there because they win their matches.
In fact I am surprised that there are still 8 terrans in Code A even though every single decently good terran already secured a Code S spot.


Koreans play Terran more than the other two races. Makes sense that the distribution of races is Terran heavy in any Korean tournament.


And why do you think that is? Because they're cool? Because they're fun to play?

I think the obvious answer is that they have the best chances to win as Terran, and when there's money and your career on the line, you choose what gives you the best advantage.
eSports or die tryin'
xN.07)MaK
Profile Joined January 2006
Spain1159 Posts
September 08 2011 20:25 GMT
#733
On September 09 2011 05:12 eggs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 05:01 perestain wrote:
On September 09 2011 00:54 -_- wrote:
The reason why I don't watch GSL any more is pretty simple. I only watch matches in which Protoss participates. Because there are not that many Protoss in the GSL, and because when they do play I can predict the result, there's no reason for me to watch anymore.

+1

I've followed the first 5 or 6 seasons, but I wont buy a ticket for like two games I'm interested in.
Also i can't stand tvt, its the most boring matchup to watch and usually makes up for the majority of the games when the finals come closer.


yep, same boat. it's been way too Terran heavy and I personally just think the 3 Terran match-ups are more boring than the 3 non-Terran match-ups. I haven't really bothered staying up unless it was a Zerg-heavy night.

it's not Gom's fault that no matter how Terran plays (1/1/1 all in, turtle, or anything in between) it's just not that exciting to most spectators. I think the other problem is there's a Korean Terran style, and, well, we see it way too much. It's like watching Spurs games all the time. Sure, I love basketball, but I'd rather watch college basketball than the Spurs playing.


Such a statement. Kind of biased.

I enjoy TvP and TvZ that are not one-sided (yes, we need better Ps and Zs to compete with top Ts, they are not even closer to them in terms of skill).

And talk about other mirror matches, PvP and ZvZ. TvT is by far the most entertaining to watch and sometimes produces epic matches.

Of course, everything that needs to be patched should be done, but still I think Top Ts are way better than Top Ps, for instance. Once thing is to lose to 1-1-1, and a different thing is to die to whatever T throws at you.

Example (Up and Down spoiler):


+ Show Spoiler +
MKP (mid tier T) wins JYP and Tester just because the first loses 13 probes to a drop he knew it was coming and the second tries to 3gate blink all in vs a standard 1raxCC.
El micro es el último recurso que les queda a los que no producen lo suficiente
eggs
Profile Joined August 2010
1011 Posts
September 08 2011 20:26 GMT
#734
On September 09 2011 05:25 Bedrock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 05:16 eggs wrote:
On September 09 2011 05:14 Hikari wrote:
The terrans in Code S are there because they win their matches.
In fact I am surprised that there are still 8 terrans in Code A even though every single decently good terran already secured a Code S spot.


Koreans play Terran more than the other two races. Makes sense that the distribution of races is Terran heavy in any Korean tournament.


And why do you think that is?


The Boxer Effect
xN.07)MaK
Profile Joined January 2006
Spain1159 Posts
September 08 2011 20:27 GMT
#735
On September 09 2011 05:25 Bedrock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 05:16 eggs wrote:
On September 09 2011 05:14 Hikari wrote:
The terrans in Code S are there because they win their matches.
In fact I am surprised that there are still 8 terrans in Code A even though every single decently good terran already secured a Code S spot.


Koreans play Terran more than the other two races. Makes sense that the distribution of races is Terran heavy in any Korean tournament.


And why do you think that is? Because they're cool? Because they're fun to play?

I think the obvious answer is that they have the best chances to win as Terran, and when there's money and your career on the line, you choose what gives you the best advantage.


We need to see stats, but in my case, it's like very intuitive to pick Earth defenders ^^
El micro es el último recurso que les queda a los que no producen lo suficiente
farnham
Profile Joined January 2011
1378 Posts
September 08 2011 20:29 GMT
#736
protoss really needs more splash damage units

or the splash damage units need a serious buff

i believe the mothership and khaydarian amulet nerf was the biggest reason for the fall of protoss

remember when mc, san and anypro were dominating code s ?
soulpoetry
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom177 Posts
September 08 2011 20:29 GMT
#737
On September 09 2011 05:25 Bedrock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 05:16 eggs wrote:
On September 09 2011 05:14 Hikari wrote:
The terrans in Code S are there because they win their matches.
In fact I am surprised that there are still 8 terrans in Code A even though every single decently good terran already secured a Code S spot.


Koreans play Terran more than the other two races. Makes sense that the distribution of races is Terran heavy in any Korean tournament.


And why do you think that is? Because they're cool? Because they're fun to play?

I think the obvious answer is that they have the best chances to win as Terran, and when there's money and your career on the line, you choose what gives you the best advantage.


lolwut? they grew up watching Boxer, Nada and Iloveoov win in BW, i'd have picked Terran too.
eggs
Profile Joined August 2010
1011 Posts
September 08 2011 20:29 GMT
#738
On September 09 2011 05:27 xN.07)MaK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 05:25 Bedrock wrote:
On September 09 2011 05:16 eggs wrote:
On September 09 2011 05:14 Hikari wrote:
The terrans in Code S are there because they win their matches.
In fact I am surprised that there are still 8 terrans in Code A even though every single decently good terran already secured a Code S spot.


Koreans play Terran more than the other two races. Makes sense that the distribution of races is Terran heavy in any Korean tournament.


And why do you think that is? Because they're cool? Because they're fun to play?

I think the obvious answer is that they have the best chances to win as Terran, and when there's money and your career on the line, you choose what gives you the best advantage.


We need to see stats, but in my case, it's like very intuitive to pick Earth defenders ^^


that, too. Koreans lean towards Terran because they're the human race. If you look at MMO's in Asia you see the same thing. Asian people prefer to main races that resemble humans rather than the beast-like races in fantasy worlds.
farnham
Profile Joined January 2011
1378 Posts
September 08 2011 20:31 GMT
#739
On September 09 2011 05:25 xN.07)MaK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 05:12 eggs wrote:
On September 09 2011 05:01 perestain wrote:
On September 09 2011 00:54 -_- wrote:
The reason why I don't watch GSL any more is pretty simple. I only watch matches in which Protoss participates. Because there are not that many Protoss in the GSL, and because when they do play I can predict the result, there's no reason for me to watch anymore.

+1

I've followed the first 5 or 6 seasons, but I wont buy a ticket for like two games I'm interested in.
Also i can't stand tvt, its the most boring matchup to watch and usually makes up for the majority of the games when the finals come closer.


yep, same boat. it's been way too Terran heavy and I personally just think the 3 Terran match-ups are more boring than the 3 non-Terran match-ups. I haven't really bothered staying up unless it was a Zerg-heavy night.

it's not Gom's fault that no matter how Terran plays (1/1/1 all in, turtle, or anything in between) it's just not that exciting to most spectators. I think the other problem is there's a Korean Terran style, and, well, we see it way too much. It's like watching Spurs games all the time. Sure, I love basketball, but I'd rather watch college basketball than the Spurs playing.


Such a statement. Kind of biased.

I enjoy TvP and TvZ that are not one-sided (yes, we need better Ps and Zs to compete with top Ts, they are not even closer to them in terms of skill).

And talk about other mirror matches, PvP and ZvZ. TvT is by far the most entertaining to watch and sometimes produces epic matches.

Of course, everything that needs to be patched should be done, but still I think Top Ts are way better than Top Ps, for instance. Once thing is to lose to 1-1-1, and a different thing is to die to whatever T throws at you.

Example (Up and Down spoiler):


+ Show Spoiler +
MKP (mid tier T) wins JYP and Tester just because the first loses 13 probes to a drop he knew it was coming and the second tries to 3gate blink all in vs a standard 1raxCC.


how the hell is a three time finalist a mid tier player ?
Yamulo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2096 Posts
September 08 2011 20:31 GMT
#740
On September 09 2011 05:03 farnham wrote:
its hardly gretechs fault that the korean terrans are doing so well..

its not a korea only phenomenon too. usually you see (korean) terrans winning tournaments everywhere.

i believe if they bring back them khaydarian amulets protosses everywhere will be back again.
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 05:01 perestain wrote:
On September 09 2011 00:54 -_- wrote:
The reason why I don't watch GSL any more is pretty simple. I only watch matches in which Protoss participates. Because there are not that many Protoss in the GSL, and because when they do play I can predict the result, there's no reason for me to watch anymore.


+1

Also i can't stand tvt especially, its the most boring matchup to watch and it usually makes up for the majority of the games when the GSL finals come closer.

last gsl we had no tvt (zvp and zvt) and the finals were zvz

This is our third tvt final......
But yes code S makes me lose interest after all the protoss get knocked out..
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