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On September 08 2011 06:01 roymarthyup wrote:
Gomtv can create a 10 dollar entry online KR-server double-elimination open-tournament every season to prevent scrubs from signing up. Next, the top 16 from this tournament are not code S however they get to be seeded into the code s tournament to create a interesting "new blood" element.
What happens is code S will have its NORMAL ro32 action take place, with 16 players advancing to the ro16.
Next, those 16 players will each face off in a bo3 against one of the 16 "new blood" players". this will cause the tournament to in a sense have two "round of 32" 's. in this sense, it will make each gsl code s tournament have a chance where its completely possible for a "new face" to beat mvp in the second round of the tournament and knock him out and make it interesting.
no one would enter code a anymore when the top 16 of this online tournament would give them a code S seat.
And personally I prefer GSL over MLG. I just cant stand those long breaks with no action going on plus the players can prepare more for their matchup thus hopefully more innovative and effective builds will arise in the long run
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On September 08 2011 23:12 Swad1000 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 23:07 Morfildur wrote:
I don't watch GSL a lot because all games seem to be the same. They lack the european/foreign creativity and style. Yeah, there is the occasional new style, but it gets soon adopted and all others are then playing exactly the same.
Yes, the players are probably 10 times better than almost all foreigners, but they play TOO perfect to be entertaining and they all play only to win, not to entertain.
This is why i like tournaments like the shoutcraft invitational a lot more. Yeah, the players are worse but the games are a lot more fun to watch. The players show that they care about their fans and want to provide entertainment.
In short:
Want to watch the best players: Watch GSL.
Want to have fun while watching SC2: Watch foreign tournaments.
GSL is the exact opposite for me. I want to see a protoss play a style that can deal with something like 1-1-1 and do stuff that make foreigners look terrible. After watching the toss play so desperately against terrans lately it ruins everything.
yeah we could see a lot of fun games until like May or so...
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On September 09 2011 00:11 vnlegend wrote:
I am thoroughly entertained watching superior Terrans win.
Me too!!
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ive made the transition to watching fighting games anyways so i dont really care. waaay better entertainment imho
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On September 09 2011 00:18 HocusPocus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 06:01 roymarthyup wrote:
Gomtv can create a 10 dollar entry online KR-server double-elimination open-tournament every season to prevent scrubs from signing up. Next, the top 16 from this tournament are not code S however they get to be seeded into the code s tournament to create a interesting "new blood" element.
What happens is code S will have its NORMAL ro32 action take place, with 16 players advancing to the ro16.
Next, those 16 players will each face off in a bo3 against one of the 16 "new blood" players". this will cause the tournament to in a sense have two "round of 32" 's. in this sense, it will make each gsl code s tournament have a chance where its completely possible for a "new face" to beat mvp in the second round of the tournament and knock him out and make it interesting.
no one would enter code a anymore when the top 16 of this online tournament would give them a code S seat. And personally I prefer GSL over MLG. I just cant stand those long breaks with no action going on plus the players can prepare more for their matchup thus hopefully more innovative and effective builds will arise in the long run
don't forget the added benefit of watching the best players in the world :D
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I'm interested in GSL but I don't watch it much because :
1) Having to pay every month or so to watch vods (which are the only way I can watch the games, otherwise it's just too early for me) is too expensive.
2) The tournament format feels like a crapshoot.
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On September 09 2011 00:23 krelian wrote:
2) The tournament format feels like a crapshoot.
if you compare it to the diarrhea mlg has concocted(pool play super advantageous, extended series joke, etc...), its like heaven
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On September 09 2011 00:17 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 23:59 marvellosity wrote:On September 08 2011 06:02 lizzard_warish wrote:
I can put my finger on why GSL is getting boring, and so can most people from what I've seen; watching thirty tvt's in a row is fucking gay.
User was warned for this post Why was this guy warned for this? He's right. I like watching TvT, just not over, and over, and over... And as a Protoss GSL is just too depressing generally. And the predictability - Nestea will win unless he faces MVP, and otherwise a strong Terran will win. Because "Fucking gay" is no way to convey that message.
Fair enough. I think he was just expressing quite how wearing it is. I guess I'm one of those homos who doesn't mind the word being used like that :|
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Only watching GSL for Tastosis to be honest.
lost my interest in GSL itself after kellys first appearance. (btw i really miss those artosis/john questions after the games )
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Since there's so much negativity I feel I should at least chime in with a positive opinion.
I'm more excited about the GSL than ever and watch it more consistently than at any point in the past.
From a spectator perspective I don't care that TvT dominates because it's I think it's the most interesting matchup right now. It's developed more rapidly than any other over the past few months, has more variation than any other, more refinement than any other, and even seem more skill dependant than any other. And even if this weren't the case, it's a reflection of the game. The only way GOM could fix it would be to change their map pool (which I believe has always been standard for BW), but changes like that take time to propagate, and who's to know what patch changes Blizzard will bring alot to shake up things and suddenly, combined with the maps, make Terran completely UP. It's just the way the game is. The alternative is to have so-and-so underperforming Protoss players seeded in based on name value or previous (irrelevant) performance and see them knocked out in the first round.
I don't care that it's all Koreans dominating or some nonsense, because I want to see the best players and that's it. Why even watch a Korean dominated sport if you want to root for your guys?
I don't care that there's casters other than Tastosis, because I don't watch GSL for the casters, I watch for the games.
I don't think the format is too unstable. Whenever a player has fallen down to Code A, it's been because he played badly. Yeah it sucks seeing guys I like failing, but it's not like they're getting proxy-2-gated or 6-pooled or close-spawn-Metalopolised out of games.
The only thing I'd suggest could be a problem is the rapid succession of seasons with little downtime. But even that is more a necessity of GOM's monopoly (which isn't even really their fault) than anything else.
I love GSL. It's not losing entertainment value for me and I will continue to watch it.
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Truthfully I do think it's getting a little boring compared to events like MLG, but not because of the quality of the games or the match ups, but the fact that you don't get to see their personalities beforehand.
In MLG they do pre-match interviews where players can showboat, trash talk or just answer plainly, but it helps the viewer identify with the player on some level. There's a complete lack of this in GSL at least until the grand final, so all you do is watch them come to play their game.
Just my two cents.
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GSL is simply too late for me to watch consistently. Watching VODs and watching Live is actually a huge difference to me.
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I really dont like the production, especially that silly k-pop crap. The players themselves dosn't have enough character as well, I guess its easier to connect to foreigners. Actually the only GSL matches I watch are either with foreigners or top-players only like MC
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GSL is super boring, other than Nestea. Otherwise it's just GomTVT
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I personally dont feel that gsl code s is getting boring. I myself only watch gsl anymore because there are just too much tournaments going on. MLG is at crappy time, european tournaments most of the times too, gsl is perfect and has the best players in it. Only code a is getting due to worse commentators a bit less enjoyful, but I switched to listening to music while muting the vods which works too
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On September 09 2011 00:32 Strydor wrote:
Truthfully I do think it's getting a little boring compared to events like MLG, but not because of the quality of the games or the match ups, but the fact that you don't get to see their personalities beforehand.
In MLG they do pre-match interviews where players can showboat, trash talk or just answer plainly, but it helps the viewer identify with the player on some level. There's a complete lack of this in GSL at least until the grand final, so all you do is watch them come to play their game.
Just my two cents.
Ever watch the group selections? They're excellent. And even if you don't want to sit through the whole thing, they show relevant and amusing snippets for each player before the first round matches every season. They also do post-match interviews. I'm not quite sure you've actually watched recent seasons to make this judgement.
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I don't particularly like the Code system, regular starleague formats seem more exciting. Having underdogs break through into the finals is always exciting, remember the Royal Roaders of BW?
Code S is also starting to get more and more terrans making it increasingly boring to watch.
They also need to get with the program and make sick intros like the OSL/MSL to hype the players more. Slightly longer gaps between leagues would also increase my interest. Maybe 1 tournament over 2-3 months.
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I'm pretty sure if this keeps up GomTV will change their format for 2012
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I don't watch GSL because the interesting Koreans are already competing abroad and I don't want to go to the trouble of getting the GOMTV thing to work. Simple enough.
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The only reason I find MLG entertaining is because its a "weekend event". GSL is on a few times a week during every month, where all the MLG action is taking place at once.
The GSL model is the effective one for a league, MLG is effective as a tournament series. They are just 2 completely different models which appeal to different people. I'm lucky that both appeal to me.
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