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On September 08 2011 23:07 Morfildur wrote:
I don't watch GSL a lot because all games seem to be the same. They lack the european/foreign creativity and style. Yeah, there is the occasional new style, but it gets soon adopted and all others are then playing exactly the same.
Yes, the players are probably 10 times better than almost all foreigners, but they play TOO perfect to be entertaining and they all play only to win, not to entertain.
This is why i like tournaments like the shoutcraft invitational a lot more. Yeah, the players are worse but the games are a lot more fun to watch. The players show that they care about their fans and want to provide entertainment.
In short:
Want to watch the best players: Watch GSL.
Want to have fun while watching SC2: Watch foreign tournaments.
GSL is the exact opposite for me. I want to see a protoss play a style that can deal with something like 1-1-1 and do stuff that make foreigners look terrible.
After watching the toss play so desperately against terrans lately it ruins everything.
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for me it is pretty easy. I play zerg, so whenever i have the time (vacations, cannot watch during normal times) i want to watch a zerg player (sometimes even protoss players since i played P in BW)
I watched about exactly as much TvT as i watched zerg players / protoss, which makes about 10 matches total. That is not much to be honest. Also, i was really disturbed on how bad the matches were. I enjoyed about 2 out of those 10 matches (and weird enough, they were TvT's), because they appealed to me as being high-level competition. But usually it's not the better player who win, it's the player who makes less stupid mistakes.
But i really love Project A 
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Terran Protoss Zerg
October 20 5 7
August 17 8 7
July 15 9 8
May 14 10 8
March 15 9 8
January 14 9 9
Race distribution has kept getting worse since july, august and october especially shows a continued terran domination.
So if you don't enjoy terrans winning, and TvT ... you are out of luck
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I agree that the GSL has been less interesting the last seasons, and for me at least, it has alot to do with the fact that Artosis and Tasteless is seen a lot less nowadays. Compared to a few months ago, they are getting A LOT less screen time. I mean, sure, they were having a tough time casting both the Code A, Code S and the Team League, so hiring additional casters were a logical thing to do. But now, we are seeing more of the other casters than Tastosis, and that's pretty huge for me at least, since Tastosis is like a huge reason for why GSL is so much better than other tournaments. I hope we'll see them casting more GSTL and Up/Downs in the future.
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im not balance whining. but TvT has killed quite a bit of gsl(espiecially code a finals) for me
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Its easier to indentify with players in MLG, it feels closer. MLG is like starcraft 1 progamers without the star feel to it. When more stars like MC arises (him and Nada feels like the true stars to me) then GSL will be more interesting again, you want to look forward to a match for days (weeks?) with great buildups etc.. :s
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The only selling point of GSL for me is Nestea tbh  but i always tune in when there is a quarter finals or finals. GSL is all about timing (attack), koreans players are so sick in their timing. While foreign tourneys are pretty giving us a chance to see our favourite players (and then proceed to give away the 1st prize to korean ).
and yes TvT is a big turn off for me. I dislike PvP too but i dont mind to watch ZvZ, this is just a personal preference. seriously when i see most of the players in R8 are terrans i just dont care about the game anymore.
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Man people are giving so many reasons why they don't like the GSL anymore. Is anybody else worried that subscriptions will fall to much and GSL will become unprofitable? Or is the plan to just yell at people on the forums to buy the GSL for esports and tell them how cheap they are if they don't.
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Easy - Terran domination. I am Protoss player and I want to watch high-level Protoss games. Current metagame doesnt allow it. Therefore, I dont watch SC anymore. PM me when Protosses are back in GSL, kthx
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Terran domination and the free stream quality (lack of it actually;p) - 2 things that are keeping me away from GSL.
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I think SC2 is just ..boring to watch period, I cant quite describe why but its just not interesting to view at all
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I think it's unfortunate that so many matches in MLG that would be so interesting to see, but don't get broadcasted. Such as DRG vs Hero.
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On September 08 2011 23:07 Morfildur wrote:
I don't watch GSL a lot because all games seem to be the same. They lack the european/foreign creativity and style. Yeah, there is the occasional new style, but it gets soon adopted and all others are then playing exactly the same.
Yes, the players are probably 10 times better than almost all foreigners, but they play TOO perfect to be entertaining and they all play only to win, not to entertain.
This is why i like tournaments like the shoutcraft invitational a lot more. Yeah, the players are worse but the games are a lot more fun to watch. The players show that they care about their fans and want to provide entertainment.
In short:
Want to watch the best players: Watch GSL.
Want to have fun while watching SC2: Watch foreign tournaments.
Nobody plays too perfect, in a year we will look back at these GSL games and laugh at how bad they are.
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It's not GSLs fault that there's a Terran domination going on on the TvT cry.
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For me, GSL isn't something I want to watch, as when it's on, I am usually asleep and there is no point in watching it later, as the viewer can hardly identify himself with and of the koreans. In MLG though, there are a lot of foreigners, who you can idenfity with, hate, like, etc. and the appearances of the koreans add a little flavour to it, as everyone wants to beat them. So it's hyped up.
I don't give a damn about so many of the stonefaced-koreans and if one cannot feel the hype, as there is no connection between the players and the viewers, then superior play doesn't matter all that much :-(
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On September 08 2011 06:02 lizzard_warish wrote:
I can put my finger on why GSL is getting boring, and so can most people from what I've seen; watching thirty tvt's in a row is fucking gay.
User was warned for this post
Why was this guy warned for this? He's right. I like watching TvT, just not over, and over, and over...
And as a Protoss GSL is just too depressing generally. And the predictability - Nestea will win unless he faces MVP, and otherwise a strong Terran will win.
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On September 08 2011 23:06 Dayrlan wrote:
I used to watch GSL religiously, now I rarely do (even though I still buy tickets for GSL+GSTL -- *boggle*).
Here's an assorted list of reasons why I've become less interested:
1) GSL normally starts streaming at 5am in my time zone.
Sure, I could keep up with waking up to watch it live for a few months, but I can't make a long-term habit out of it. And even though I've purchased access to the VODs, I rarely watch them. Why? Same reason that LAN tournaments are more exciting than online tournaments -- without a sense that the action is "happening right now," there's just not as much of a draw.
2) The GSL schedule is oversaturated/too frequent.
As soon as one champion is crowned, we launch straight back into a new season in such a short amount of time. There's no time to appreciate any of the accomplishments made. By comparison, MLG Raleigh felt mildly lackluster compared to MLG Anaheim (for me, at least). Some of that might have been the hurricane and the diminished crowd, but surely a portion of it is that the two events were spaced too closely together.
3) Inevitable Korean dominance.
Yeah, I'll say it. It's not fun watching the Koreans win every. single. time. If my friends and I kept getting stomped by some older guys at the basketball court, eventually we'd find another place to play on our own. Even MLG was more exciting when it felt like there was some mystery to who would actually pull out the big win. Now the winner of each MLG is relegated to a choice from the set of whichever-Koreans-showed-up-this-time, the occasional foreign hero (HuK, Naniwa, etc.), and a prayer of a hope that IdrA can last an entire event without early GG'ing.
How does this relate to GSL? Well, it was a lot of fun when Jinro and IdrA were competing successfully. That era ended, and my attention for GSL began to wane quickly. It's probably the same reason I never got into professional Brood War -- I don't think everyone is psychologically built to be able to just pick up a favorite player from a different culture, thousands of miles away, and follow them religiously.
4. No Tastosis in Code A = "Who cares about Code A?"
Pretty straightforward. With all of the caster juggling that happened in Code A, and the low-quality show that resulted (for at least a number of seasons), I got tired of Code A. I'm sure it's better now, but since I already have my "Starcraft viewing rhythm" down now (with all of the great events in the international scene), I would need a reason to go back.
5. GSL feels unstable.
I'm not entirely sure I can clearly articulate this one. Basically, it feels hard to pick a favorite player and stick with them, given their tournament format. One season, my player could make it to the Ro4 Code S, and I'll be super excited. A few seasons later, in the total course of 3-4 matches played, my player is struggling to re-qualify for Code A. Oh.
Even count the number of "big name" Korean mega-gosus who have fallen to Code A after a series of Code S success. Mix that with #2 (The GSL schedule is oversaturated/too frequent), and you've got a great recipe for turning off fans.
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Meh. :/ I realize it's still the best-of-the-best -- the pinnacle of Starcraft 2 skill. I want to want to watch it. But...
I have a question. Why do you feel that the Koreans always have to be "them (random older dudes)" and non-Koreans have to be "us (you and your buddies)"? If it was someone from your own country, then I can understand a bit more, but it's rather difficult for me to sympathize with "anyone but those Koreans" sentiment.
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Disagree. I am thoroughly entertained watching superior players win.
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On September 08 2011 23:59 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 06:02 lizzard_warish wrote:
I can put my finger on why GSL is getting boring, and so can most people from what I've seen; watching thirty tvt's in a row is fucking gay.
User was warned for this post Why was this guy warned for this? He's right. I like watching TvT, just not over, and over, and over... And as a Protoss GSL is just too depressing generally. And the predictability - Nestea will win unless he faces MVP, and otherwise a strong Terran will win.
fucking gay isn't a nice thing to write, that's why he was warned.
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On September 08 2011 23:59 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 06:02 lizzard_warish wrote:
I can put my finger on why GSL is getting boring, and so can most people from what I've seen; watching thirty tvt's in a row is fucking gay.
User was warned for this post Why was this guy warned for this? He's right. I like watching TvT, just not over, and over, and over... And as a Protoss GSL is just too depressing generally. And the predictability - Nestea will win unless he faces MVP, and otherwise a strong Terran will win.
Because "Fucking gay" is no way to convey that message.
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