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Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
September 08 2011 15:53 GMT
#701
On September 09 2011 00:48 Acritter wrote:
I don't watch GSL because the interesting Koreans are already competing abroad and I don't want to go to the trouble of getting the GOMTV thing to work. Simple enough.

oh come on, pressing the play button is to hard?
Some excuses here make me wonder how some ppl even can play on a PC.
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 15:57:26
September 08 2011 15:53 GMT
#702
On September 09 2011 00:18 HocusPocus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 06:01 roymarthyup wrote:
Gomtv can create a 10 dollar entry online KR-server double-elimination open-tournament every season to prevent scrubs from signing up. Next, the top 16 from this tournament are not code S however they get to be seeded into the code s tournament to create a interesting "new blood" element.

What happens is code S will have its NORMAL ro32 action take place, with 16 players advancing to the ro16.

Next, those 16 players will each face off in a bo3 against one of the 16 "new blood" players". this will cause the tournament to in a sense have two "round of 32" 's. in this sense, it will make each gsl code s tournament have a chance where its completely possible for a "new face" to beat mvp in the second round of the tournament and knock him out and make it interesting.


no one would enter code a anymore when the top 16 of this online tournament would give them a code S seat.


they need to just bin code a and operate how the osl did:

- offline qualifiers for anywhere up to 24 spots, reduce this if you want to give some away in MLG exchange etc, but ffs do it in a swiss format rather than the stupid retarded best of three knockouts
- those 24 players face off in one on one matches, winner of each match plays someone at random who got knocked out in the previous season's round of 16/quarter final
- 12 winners of that join the previous season's semi-finalists, 4 groups of 4 top 2 advance gogogo
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lungo
Profile Joined October 2005
Denmark276 Posts
September 08 2011 15:54 GMT
#703
On September 09 2011 00:44 Scarecrow wrote:
I don't particularly like the Code system, regular starleague formats seem more exciting. Having underdogs break through into the finals is always exciting, remember the Royal Roaders of BW?

Code S is also starting to get more and more terrans making it increasingly boring to watch.

They also need to get with the program and make sick intros like the OSL/MSL to hype the players more. Slightly longer gaps between leagues would also increase my interest. Maybe 1 tournament over 2-3 months.


i have the same feeling that the BW starleague format is kinda more exciting, having underdogs break through is allways exciting to see! and you allways wonder how long they will last!

as i can see, its so difficult to get into Code S if you're coming from Code A, they should make the formats bigger, like double the ammount of players up because there are so many players who could play in Code A/S which just cant duo to luck/unlucky draws etc
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Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
September 08 2011 15:54 GMT
#704
The reason why I don't watch GSL any more is pretty simple. I only watch matches in which Protoss participates. Because there are not that many Protoss in the GSL, and because when they do play I can predict the result, there's no reason for me to watch anymore.
Strydor
Profile Joined August 2011
Singapore95 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 15:58:17
September 08 2011 15:57 GMT
#705
On September 09 2011 00:44 GentleDrill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 00:32 Strydor wrote:
Truthfully I do think it's getting a little boring compared to events like MLG, but not because of the quality of the games or the match ups, but the fact that you don't get to see their personalities beforehand.

In MLG they do pre-match interviews where players can showboat, trash talk or just answer plainly, but it helps the viewer identify with the player on some level. There's a complete lack of this in GSL at least until the grand final, so all you do is watch them come to play their game.

Just my two cents.


Ever watch the group selections? They're excellent. And even if you don't want to sit through the whole thing, they show relevant and amusing snippets for each player before the first round matches every season. They also do post-match interviews. I'm not quite sure you've actually watched recent seasons to make this judgement.


Yeah, I have watched the group selections, but it's done all in one sitting which is really not the same as a pre-match interview. And yes, I have watched nearly all of code A and code S so far this and last season. How much of their personality do you see? That small snippet of happiness after winning a match?

Comparatively, MLG Columbus had the MC and Idra rematch-up to name one, Anaheim had the MMA and Boxer student-mentor match. The pre-match interview gave them an opportunity to show just a bit more of themselves and what they were feeling so the crowd could identify with them while they played. A post-match interview doesn't really do much in this aspect.

Furthermore, while the post-match interviews are done, it's the pre-match that can really prove to be more interesting. Post-match how many of them would trash-talk their opponent? Most replies would be I'm happy about this result or although I won today there is still room for improvement.

What I personally would love to see is some pre-match stuff, perhaps a friendly rivalry between the players, some flair that players like MC love to show. I'm not saying the matches haven't been good, but it's the lack of connection from the players that make it hard to watch.

That being said, it's a personal opinion, so it's not the same for everyone.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51702 Posts
September 08 2011 16:01 GMT
#706
On September 09 2011 00:53 sixfour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 00:18 HocusPocus wrote:
On September 08 2011 06:01 roymarthyup wrote:
Gomtv can create a 10 dollar entry online KR-server double-elimination open-tournament every season to prevent scrubs from signing up. Next, the top 16 from this tournament are not code S however they get to be seeded into the code s tournament to create a interesting "new blood" element.

What happens is code S will have its NORMAL ro32 action take place, with 16 players advancing to the ro16.

Next, those 16 players will each face off in a bo3 against one of the 16 "new blood" players". this will cause the tournament to in a sense have two "round of 32" 's. in this sense, it will make each gsl code s tournament have a chance where its completely possible for a "new face" to beat mvp in the second round of the tournament and knock him out and make it interesting.


no one would enter code a anymore when the top 16 of this online tournament would give them a code S seat.


they need to just bin code a and operate how the osl did:

- offline qualifiers for anywhere up to 24 spots, reduce this if you want to give some away in MLG exchange etc, but ffs do it in a swiss format rather than the stupid retarded best of three knockouts
- those 24 players face off in one on one matches, winner of each match plays someone at random who got knocked out in the previous season's round of 16/quarter final
- 12 winners of that join the previous season's semi-finalists, 4 groups of 4 top 2 advance gogogo


or they could ditch Code A for Survivor Tournment and continue with their MSLish format,with much less seeded spots.

and for the love of god please change the name form Global Starcraft League to Gomtv Starcraft League
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GentleDrill
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom672 Posts
September 08 2011 16:04 GMT
#707
On September 09 2011 00:57 Strydor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 00:44 GentleDrill wrote:
On September 09 2011 00:32 Strydor wrote:
Truthfully I do think it's getting a little boring compared to events like MLG, but not because of the quality of the games or the match ups, but the fact that you don't get to see their personalities beforehand.

In MLG they do pre-match interviews where players can showboat, trash talk or just answer plainly, but it helps the viewer identify with the player on some level. There's a complete lack of this in GSL at least until the grand final, so all you do is watch them come to play their game.

Just my two cents.


Ever watch the group selections? They're excellent. And even if you don't want to sit through the whole thing, they show relevant and amusing snippets for each player before the first round matches every season. They also do post-match interviews. I'm not quite sure you've actually watched recent seasons to make this judgement.


Yeah, I have watched the group selections, but it's done all in one sitting which is really not the same as a pre-match interview. And yes, I have watched nearly all of code A and code S so far this and last season. How much of their personality do you see? That small snippet of happiness after winning a match?

Comparatively, MLG Columbus had the MC and Idra rematch-up to name one, Anaheim had the MMA and Boxer student-mentor match. The pre-match interview gave them an opportunity to show just a bit more of themselves and what they were feeling so the crowd could identify with them while they played. A post-match interview doesn't really do much in this aspect.

Furthermore, while the post-match interviews are done, it's the pre-match that can really prove to be more interesting. Post-match how many of them would trash-talk their opponent? Most replies would be I'm happy about this result or although I won today there is still room for improvement.

What I personally would love to see is some pre-match stuff, perhaps a friendly rivalry between the players, some flair that players like MC love to show. I'm not saying the matches haven't been good, but it's the lack of connection from the players that make it hard to watch.

That being said, it's a personal opinion, so it's not the same for everyone.


Fair enough then. I guess MLG does have more intensity overall, though I don't really know it's completely fair to compare it to the GSL in that respect since, as mentioned on the previous page, they're on completely different schedules.

That said, it's not like GSL's format precludes pre-match interviews. I've never felt a pressing need for them though, as I'm satisfied with the current content.
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5226 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 16:09:57
September 08 2011 16:05 GMT
#708
And now 20 of 32 players in Code S are Terran, and there is only 5 Protoss players in Code S. I don't think even think Tastosis can make Code S interesting for me for GSL October.

At least there is a lot of Protoss in Code A, but how many of them will be eliminated in the first matches? The up and down matches were brutal for the Protoss.

Honestly, I am way more excited for Dreamhack Valencia than GSL October.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 16:08:28
September 08 2011 16:08 GMT
#709
why you write such a post now ? from this code s up and down 4 from code A goes up and just 2 stay so its perfect
no one want code S with 16 good and 16 crap gamers so the way it is its nice they JUST have to nerf terran so no more tvt only

obvs with 20 terrans code S is terrible boring but its not goms fault is blizzards fault
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Metak
Profile Joined August 2011
296 Posts
September 08 2011 16:08 GMT
#710
I think another part of the reason why MLG, to a lot of people, feels superior over GSL is because MLG is a one-weekend-tournament where action is packed and lots of games are played over a short period of time. To me at least, watching MLG is like having something planned for my weekend and spending most of my time watching the games, since it's a tournament weekend. For GSL it's completely different. Once the tournament gets into the later stages you see 2 games a day even though the pace in matter of excitement feels way higher. Being in Europe I can't help myself staying up late for MLG because the final is coming up, I'm excited to see who wins. This excitement, to me, is completely nonexistent in the GSL.

I still like to watch GSL, but then again, I haven't been watching for a very long time yet. I don't mind the high amount of TvT (even though I'd love to see more P).
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
September 08 2011 16:09 GMT
#711
need more terrans <3 tvt. Anyway alot have switched in the beta in korea since terran was considered overpowered at that point. And since people switching races that way are often more competetiv, that is probably one of the reasons why terran is so big in gsl right now. (they train more )
Also terran is pro friendly (while normal players have their problems with them) Which might become an balancing issue. (though i think blizzard is looking more into the pro level)

So maybe hots will bring some courage to people thinking of raceswitching, though i doubt it.

As for intros and things, some footage would be nice yes, or player stats. So just a bit spicing up. That korea is terran land is not gsls fault . Anyway i like watching gsl. And tvt is always fun.
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
September 08 2011 16:14 GMT
#712
On September 09 2011 00:44 Scarecrow wrote:
They also need to get with the program and make sick intros like the OSL/MSL to hype the players more. Slightly longer gaps between leagues would also increase my interest. Maybe 1 tournament over 2-3 months.


EVER OSL 2007 Intro:


Doing something like that would make GSL 10 times better!

...ok I'm exaggerating, but it would still be really nice.
KDot2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1213 Posts
September 08 2011 16:32 GMT
#713
Ok Im just about the biggest GSL fan there is and I watch every single game it is NOT losing entertainment value and the casters are better than ever.

the only things that bug me are

too many TvTs

and

I wish it was double elimination right now losing a fluke Bo3 is just too easy
diverzee
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden992 Posts
September 08 2011 18:01 GMT
#714
Still love GSL and watch it often as I can. Only problem is it's on between 11 am - 3 pm - a time where people work or go to uni so I always miss it.
Parting
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
September 08 2011 18:10 GMT
#715
On September 09 2011 01:32 ShooTouts wrote:
Ok Im just about the biggest GSL fan there is and I watch every single game it is NOT losing entertainment value and the casters are better than ever.

the only things that bug me are

too many TvTs

and

I wish it was double elimination right now losing a fluke Bo3 is just too easy


At least Code A should be double elim or have a group stage to prevent players going out in the Ro32 from a single lost Bo3.

Especially for situations like the foreigners playing their matches one day after arriving in Korea (i.e. Thorzain, Naniwa, ...) it would help a lot if players would have a second chance and not drop out immedatly.

I wouldn't even care that much about some games not being broadcasted for time reasons.
GrimReefer
Profile Joined March 2011
United States442 Posts
September 08 2011 18:16 GMT
#716
On September 09 2011 03:01 diverzee wrote:
Still love GSL and watch it often as I can. Only problem is it's on between 11 am - 3 pm - a time where people work or go to uni so I always miss it.

that's better than 5am, which is why i rarely get to watch the gsl
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branflakes14
Profile Joined July 2010
2082 Posts
September 08 2011 18:24 GMT
#717
On September 09 2011 01:14 Sein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2011 00:44 Scarecrow wrote:
They also need to get with the program and make sick intros like the OSL/MSL to hype the players more. Slightly longer gaps between leagues would also increase my interest. Maybe 1 tournament over 2-3 months.


EVER OSL 2007 Intro:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og-gULrg1Jo

Doing something like that would make GSL 10 times better!

...ok I'm exaggerating, but it would still be really nice.


Now THAT'S an intro video. Pretty much everyone involved with Starcraft 2 just recycles the campaign CGI

Well, apart from the TSL video!
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
September 08 2011 18:33 GMT
#718
Funny how that OSL intro even has to show Terrans twice since there are so many more of them than the other races
bovineblitz
Profile Joined September 2010
United States314 Posts
September 08 2011 18:33 GMT
#719
For people saying TvT isn't any worse than the other mirrors... they have much more of a tendency to go into long standoff games. At least the other mirrors are often shorter. They all can be interesting sometimes, but any of them on repeat is just plain boring... especially TvT for the aforementioned reason
Dreadwolf
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada220 Posts
September 08 2011 19:40 GMT
#720
Yeah TvT every day, all day, all the time. uhhhhhhhrk. NASL will be much more entertaining i think, 1 tvt is cool 2 is ok 3... but this? its too much.
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