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1st post - be gentle 
One thing I have been thinking about that would make all tournament finals and semi finals much more entertanining (IMO) is to set it up where you have at least one of each race.
The basic format would be that the best protoss, zerg, and terran from the tournament would be in the semi-finals and then the best of the rest (of any race) would get that fourth spot. You then can have the mirror match play each other and the other two races play each other for a chance at the final.
This guarantees that the final is not a mirror (which most people would like), and it also reduces some of the impacts of balance issues if there are any in the game at that moment in time.
I'm not sure how the tournament would be set up to equitably allow for a determination of who is the best p, t, and z, but assuming that could be done, then I think this would be a pretty sweet tourney format. Maybe this could help the GSL or other tournaments gain back some of their luster.
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as a protoss player i really dont care that much about gsl anymore, sure sometimes there will be good matches but its not worth buying the season pass aynmore for me.
also i feel the lack of tastosis really hit my intrest hard, now they cast like 2 days and its very rarly i can get both tastosis and a good match involving protoss : (
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On September 09 2011 15:12 Ajaco92 wrote:
To me, alot of the joy i get from watching starcraft is due to the excitement. I'm sure everyone agrees with me on that one.
Whenever there's a guy from my country (which have never happened) competing, I'll root for him. My feelings about the game he's playing, will be amplified. Same thing happens when I watch my favourite players play. Mainly Jinro, ThorZaiN and HuK.
Overall, I get more excited to watch foreigners play. I don't know why that is. The thing people say about "I just wanna watch great games", I can't say I agree. I mean.. sure, I wanna see great games - but I would rather see my favourite player do well in a boring game.
I don't care that much if Leenock plays against Genius, or if TOP plays against Alicia. I don't have a "connection" with those players. And because of that, I'm not really that interested. The games may be great, and I will most likely watch them anyways - but not with the same excitement as if it was one of my favourite foreigners playing.
I think that's a lot of the reason Code S is losing entertainment value, and that's why many people prefer tournaments like MLG. More foreigners = more fun. Rooting for the underdogs. Rooting for people that come from our community. People that we can recognize ourselves in.
I don't have that "connection" with the korean players.
The games are still awesome though. I'm just not that excited to watch them.
Also, all the TvT can get quite tiresome for a protoss to watch.
I wanna watch foreginers for the same reason I like to watch my city's fotball team, cause I got my heart somewhere and I like to cheer for them. there is nothing more silly then peopewho for example just cheers for barcelona cause it's "the best" team.
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GSL was famous at first because it was the first..."official" tournament dare I say. It was the first chance at breaking into Korea. However, at the end of the day, it's just a dayjob for most people for all intents and purposes in terms of the SC2 scene. When shit with HUGE prizes and happen very rarely like Dreamhack and MLG, it garners more attention. So it's not that GSL is boring, it's just that other stuff is more exciting.
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On September 09 2011 23:45 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 22:52 Stratos_speAr wrote:On September 09 2011 21:56 farnham wrote:On September 09 2011 21:54 perestain wrote:On September 09 2011 21:43 Kewlots wrote:
I think this is silly Code S is the best league to watch game play wise, production wise, wise wise
It cant be touched by anything really imo True, but only if you especially like watching terran. If you do not particularly enjoy this, then the game is pretty much dead, from a viewers perspective, with some few exceptions. So, like it has always been, everyone has to decide for themselves if what is shown is interesting enough to warrant a ticket purchase. I can imagine though that utter dominance of a single race will not be a good thing in the long run, and the fact that gom is not responsible changes nothing in that respect. wow please stop sure there are a lot of terrans right now due to imbalance but a few month ago protosses were dominating its the metagame that is shifting and protoss just seems to have a hard time adapting right now Stop saying crap like this. Protoss has never gotten anywhere close to dominating at any point in SC2's history. what is 3 out of top 4 of gsl march then ? back when protoss had khaydarian amulet and archon toilets protoss were dominating
You mean that one season out of the, what is it now 8 seasons in GSL's history, where protoss was like 52% winrate? Yeah, what a huge period of utter domination. I can really recall all those GSL games where protoss won with archon toilets. Oh wait, that was like two professional games in all of the tournaments from that time.
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On September 13 2011 05:07 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 23:45 farnham wrote:On September 09 2011 22:52 Stratos_speAr wrote:On September 09 2011 21:56 farnham wrote:On September 09 2011 21:54 perestain wrote:On September 09 2011 21:43 Kewlots wrote:
I think this is silly Code S is the best league to watch game play wise, production wise, wise wise
It cant be touched by anything really imo True, but only if you especially like watching terran. If you do not particularly enjoy this, then the game is pretty much dead, from a viewers perspective, with some few exceptions. So, like it has always been, everyone has to decide for themselves if what is shown is interesting enough to warrant a ticket purchase. I can imagine though that utter dominance of a single race will not be a good thing in the long run, and the fact that gom is not responsible changes nothing in that respect. wow please stop sure there are a lot of terrans right now due to imbalance but a few month ago protosses were dominating its the metagame that is shifting and protoss just seems to have a hard time adapting right now Stop saying crap like this. Protoss has never gotten anywhere close to dominating at any point in SC2's history. what is 3 out of top 4 of gsl march then ? back when protoss had khaydarian amulet and archon toilets protoss were dominating You mean that one season out of the, what is it now 8 seasons in GSL's history, where protoss was like 52% winrate? Yeah, what a huge period of utter domination. I can really recall all those GSL games where protoss won with archon toilets. Oh wait, that was like two professional games in all of the tournaments from that time.
Chill bro, protoss will have its time
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On September 13 2011 04:54 dosxx wrote:1st post - be gentle One thing I have been thinking about that would make all tournament finals and semi finals much more entertanining (IMO) is to set it up where you have at least one of each race. The basic format would be that the best protoss, zerg, and terran from the tournament would be in the semi-finals and then the best of the rest (of any race) would get that fourth spot. You then can have the mirror match play each other and the other two races play each other for a chance at the final. This guarantees that the final is not a mirror (which most people would like), and it also reduces some of the impacts of balance issues if there are any in the game at that moment in time. I'm not sure how the tournament would be set up to equitably allow for a determination of who is the best p, t, and z, but assuming that could be done, then I think this would be a pretty sweet tourney format. Maybe this could help the GSL or other tournaments gain back some of their luster.
that pretty much undermines the point of having a fair bracket tournament.
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On September 13 2011 05:15 Midgetman101 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2011 05:07 Heavenly wrote:On September 09 2011 23:45 farnham wrote:On September 09 2011 22:52 Stratos_speAr wrote:On September 09 2011 21:56 farnham wrote:On September 09 2011 21:54 perestain wrote:On September 09 2011 21:43 Kewlots wrote:
I think this is silly Code S is the best league to watch game play wise, production wise, wise wise
It cant be touched by anything really imo True, but only if you especially like watching terran. If you do not particularly enjoy this, then the game is pretty much dead, from a viewers perspective, with some few exceptions. So, like it has always been, everyone has to decide for themselves if what is shown is interesting enough to warrant a ticket purchase. I can imagine though that utter dominance of a single race will not be a good thing in the long run, and the fact that gom is not responsible changes nothing in that respect. wow please stop sure there are a lot of terrans right now due to imbalance but a few month ago protosses were dominating its the metagame that is shifting and protoss just seems to have a hard time adapting right now Stop saying crap like this. Protoss has never gotten anywhere close to dominating at any point in SC2's history. what is 3 out of top 4 of gsl march then ? back when protoss had khaydarian amulet and archon toilets protoss were dominating You mean that one season out of the, what is it now 8 seasons in GSL's history, where protoss was like 52% winrate? Yeah, what a huge period of utter domination. I can really recall all those GSL games where protoss won with archon toilets. Oh wait, that was like two professional games in all of the tournaments from that time. Chill bro, protoss will have its time
Lol I am chill, it's just funny that people think that protoss was 'dominating' for a period of time when they were just doing decently for one month. There was like a 52% winrate peak opposed to terran which has hit as high as around 58%.
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Just my 2 cents, I find myself enjoying and watching GSL a lot more than MLG / other lan tournaments. I do miss tastosis on a regular basis though and frequently mute GSL while watching it but I find MLG just has too much buildup in the format, too long of an open bracket with not enough championship spots and far too long of pool play that only results in seeding. (They might have changed that not sure, I didn't watch the recent last MLG.) I also really struggle with MLG streams to find the matches I want to watch and with a lot of breaks between games I just don't find myself watching it much.
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When I watch MLG, its over the weekend at a time I can watch it live, it moves quickly, great streaming quality, and has a show that's directed towards my culture and language.
When watching GSL, if I watch any of the pregame show, I don't know whats going on (can't speak or read korean), and I can't be up to watch it live as its too late.
So for MLG, I can get together with my friends and throw it up on the big screen (being high quality here makes a HUGE difference) and just let it run live, talk and chill with my friends and reminisce about the matches. We have tons of fun and make a day out of it.
For GSL, I skip through all the pregame stuff and just watch the matches. MLG feels like an event, GSL feels like browsing youtube. Not sure what you can do about this though as GSL is korean.
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