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On September 10 2011 00:53 Aborash wrote:IMHO, GSL is a pure reflect of what is happening on Ladder. For example, if we examine the Korean Ladder, http://www.sc2ranks.com/ranks/fea/grandmaster![[image loading]](http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/4674/topkorea.jpg) We can appreciate that there are 8 Terrans at Top 10. GSL is not relate with this issue, its not their fault, Terran players are owning other players, its blizzard the one that must do something to avoid this happening. I can admit that the first and the second and may be also the third one best Sc2 players can be Terran. But its extremely rare, unnatural if u think it, that the rest are also terran. You can check all ladders, and see, for example NA got another 8 terrans on Top 10, EU, 6, etc. I remember one old post, that counts the numbers of tournaments won by races, and was like 70% Terran. Things didn't change at all, most of the biggest tournament that has been played recently has been won by Terrans. In fact so many mirrors at finals. GSL is just the tip of iceberg, so we cant Blame GSL because its not their fault.
They function on extremely different map pools, not to mention that people in Code A/S don't necessarily put in 100% of their effort in ladder ranking at all.
Blizzard maps in general are already known to have naturals that are difficult too defend, alongside very poorly designed rush distances. IMO ladder is the pretty poor indication if you want to look at today's competitive map pool.
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Yeah, I think we can close this thread right about now. Everyone that are watching the Code S finals will know why 
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On September 10 2011 19:32 Headnoob wrote:Code s always giving the best high level play 
+ Show Spoiler +Im crying over TOP not lifting depots and thus losing the game... argh!!! silver league mistake :''(
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The only thing I find astonishing is that GSL Terrans are winning despite the maps that seem pretty much designed to help out Zerg and Protoss (size, distance of 3rd from natural, neutral supply depots, easily defendable natural, etc.). Imagine if we were still using season 1 maps (DQ and Steppes!).
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On September 10 2011 19:51 schaf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2011 19:32 Headnoob wrote:Code s always giving the best high level play + Show Spoiler +Im crying over TOP not lifting depots and thus losing the game... argh!!! silver league mistake :''(
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TOP played 5 games absolutely brilliantly and with this play would have beaten almost everybody else. Mistakes happen on this high level too..
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On September 10 2011 21:39 Dragar wrote:
The only thing I find astonishing is that GSL Terrans are winning despite the maps that seem pretty much designed to help out Zerg and Protoss (size, distance of 3rd from natural, neutral supply depots, easily defendable natural, etc.). Imagine if we were still using season 1 maps (DQ and Steppes!).
I'd say that the maps are merely evening out the field, not helping zerg and toss. Ladder maps are unashamedly slanted towards one side or the other.
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On September 12 2011 20:12 Zaphid wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2011 21:39 Dragar wrote:
The only thing I find astonishing is that GSL Terrans are winning despite the maps that seem pretty much designed to help out Zerg and Protoss (size, distance of 3rd from natural, neutral supply depots, easily defendable natural, etc.). Imagine if we were still using season 1 maps (DQ and Steppes!). I'd say that the maps are merely evening out the field, not helping zerg and toss. Ladder maps are unashamedly slanted towards one side or the other.
I don't think the maps were changed because terran was dominating. In Brood War you had larger maps, so obviously they wanted to experiment with them to see if it provided for more interesting games. If the game turned out imbalanced then I guess they would first check with Blizzard if it could be balanced around the new maps.
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BAN for balancewhining pls.
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On September 10 2011 00:53 Aborash wrote:IMHO, GSL is a pure reflect of what is happening on Ladder. For example, if we examine the Korean Ladder, http://www.sc2ranks.com/ranks/fea/grandmasterWe can appreciate that there are 8 Terrans at Top 10. GSL is not relate with this issue, its not their fault, Terran players are owning other players, its blizzard the one that must do something to avoid this happening. I can admit that the first and the second and may be also the third one best Sc2 players can be Terran. But its extremely rare, unnatural if u think it, that the rest are also terran. You can check all ladders, and see, for example NA got another 8 terrans on Top 10, EU, 6, etc. I remember one old post, that counts the numbers of tournaments won by races, and was like 70% Terran. Things didn't change at all, most of the biggest tournament that has been played recently has been won by Terrans. In fact so many mirrors at finals. GSL is just the tip of iceberg, so we cant Blame GSL because its not their fault.
There will be a day in the future, when Code S and top-30 of ladder will consist of only Terrans. And Blizzard will comment on this "Terrans are just more versatile and complete, there is no imbalance".
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i enjoy high quality games and thats what the gsl is offering me
and i like it
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well I wouldn't count the ladder really. The maps are made for most people to enjoy laddering. And we all know that terrans are either in bronze or master. To make up for that they made the current ladder maps a bit t favored. so not all games would be tvt or no terrans at all.
The problem of course is that those things get abused at high level and are free wins for the people. Just my guess on things.
I think a map pool change would help, but either the map gets bad for toss or bad for zerg against terran, so its not that easy + they are already doing this. But with up and downs it always takes atleast one season till people can benefit from a map change. So its not that fast. Just have to deal with it if you don't like terrans. There are enough other tournaments having less terrans.
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This seems to be an overreaction to there being 3 Terrans in the semi. GSL July was a ZvZ final, there was 1 Terran in the semi. GSL May was a ZvP final with 2 Terrans, a Zerg and Protoss in the semi.
The way this GSL turned out was heavily influenced by MCs decision to put himself and MVP in the same group, and subsequently MVP and Nestea being drawn against each other early in the tournament.
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On September 12 2011 23:38 Spitfire wrote:
This seems to be an overreaction to there being 3 Terrans in the semi. GSL July was a ZvZ final, there was 1 Terran in the semi. GSL May was a ZvP final with 2 Terrans, a Zerg and Protoss in the semi.
The way this GSL turned out was heavily influenced by MCs decision to put himself and MVP in the same group, and subsequently MVP and Nestea being drawn against each other early in the tournament.
I think it's more of a standard reaction to seeing TWENTY Terrans in Code S next season.
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I've been paying for GSL since 1st season but August was the last one I watched.
1. Code A is really boring due to lack of good casters.
2. Watching fist person streams makes you much better player than ones with commentary.
3. I've leaned more form CatZ, IdrA, Ret, Destiny steams in one month then form GSL in one year.
4. Terran players dominate whole sc2 scene so far in Korea and is getting kida boring to see marine and tanks all the time. (Terran is the best designed race)
5. Even Tasteosis look tired in their cast. Lifeless and bored.
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I prefer the MLGs just because it's more entertaining to root for players I'm a fan of, even if they aren't one of the top 20 or 30 players in the world. I get more entartainment from watching someone such as iNcontroL play in MLG, regardless of his results, than I do from watching almost all of the current Code S players.
It may just be a matter of watching the games to be a fan boy of a player I like, but if it's for my entertainment, why not?
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Well, Terran-dominated or not, its still the best far as tournaments go. I thoroughly enjoy MLG and Dreamhack, but no doubt GSL is where the highest-level play is, and where the most interesting metagame changes pop up.
People have pointed out you learn more from streams, I dont really see this as a criticism of GSL. Its hard to beat a player actually explaining his thought processes to you when it comes to learning about the game.
That said, you could argue GSL is your only chance to see the top Korean players, since they dont stream or release many replays, and if you're gonna learn you'd want to learn from the best I imagine.
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Don't Terrans > Protosses in Korea in both SC1 and SC2? 5 out of 4 SC2 Bonjwas were / are Terrans and there has never been a Protoss Bonjwa or Golden mouse winner.+ Show Spoiler + Recently in OSL people were making a big deal out of Jangbi winning.
Protoss is the best in lower levels due to its low requirement on mechanical skills, but it's a non-factor for Korean players with the highest mechanics thus Protosses just fade out.
Just want to say that Starcraft 2 and Broodwar are both imbalanced in the highest competitive play (Korean scene). Protosses never shined.
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As long as all the TvT's match MVP vs TOP game 1 in quality it's fine 
...unfortunaly that will never be the case, and imbalanced racial distribution is making Code S a little stupid atm :/
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On September 10 2011 19:32 Headnoob wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2011 19:30 labbe wrote:Yeah, I think we can close this thread right about now. Everyone that are watching the Code S finals will know why but GSL is boring cuz the vocal minority said it is hurr Code s always giving the best high level play
Vocal minority is an idiotic buzz term. People have opinions and share them. If they differ from yours, it's quite easy to say "derp vocal minority". If you want to share an opinion, do so. If you want to stay quiet, don't blame it on others who have an opinion.
I don't like TvT; thus, I didn't purchase a ticket this season (first time). The ways things are going, I'm likely not going to for next season either. I can say with total confidence that GSL is the premiere league in the world but that doesn't mean I want to watch T roll through everyone. Thus, it has lost entertainment value for me.
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EPT
