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On September 09 2011 17:13 archonOOid wrote:
My only problem with GomTV is that there are too few matches with GREAT players. I would love to see more matches with neastea and mvp. That's why I would like to see bo3 round robin group stage in code S. More matches with the very best players, more matches with code s players, more matches for a better player to prove himself (and not unfortunately drop down to code A) and more matches for the spectators.
everyone in code a and code s at this point is a GREAT player
just look how the code s to code a player perform in foreign tournaments like mlg
i do agree that they should make the ro 32 of code s a bit longer. more matches with code s players would be splendid
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On September 09 2011 17:14 nukeazerg wrote:
I think they need more caster diversity. Maybe a black man or a woman. Or a Indian or Latino. A real new diverse view on the game.
C. James Trotman argues that multiculturalism is valuable because it "uses several disciplines to highlight neglected aspects of our social history, particularly the histories of women and minorities [...and] promotes respect for the dignity of the lives and voices of the forgotten. By closing gaps, by raising consciousness about the past, multiculturalism tries to restore a sense of wholeness in a postmodern era that fragments human life and thought."
they had a singaporean women... that didnt really help...jk
no i dont believe getting in casters from other ethnicies will necessarily help..
do you know any good black woomen casters ?
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I read the whole thread and nobody mentioned this. So it isnt gomtv fault if there is so much tvt, i agree for the most part, but putting crossfire into the map pool certainly didnt help right? Apparently the maps in the qualifier where more in the favor of Z and P, that is good.
The preparation time each player has for his match is probably too big. Esp for the finals.
Back to maps. This is one of the things you can balance things around outside of blizzard influence. Tal d'arim altar is a fine map for most match up, but PvP its a god damn 4g fest, ok maybe next patch will help but there could be an other map thats retarded for a certain match up. block it from those. ie Next season, Tal'darom is in map pool, but not if its a pvp. the Maybe it should be only for mirror match for fairness.
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Stop whining like little bit**es, if you don't like it, then don't watch it. You don't have to ruin mine and others excitement towards the BEST tournament with such whiny bullshit. Too many Terrans? Well that should be Blizzards fault then, so point your complains towards them? it's not GOM's fault there's almost no protoss contenders. Code S is the BEST 'cause it's the BEST of the BEST and that's why it's the BEST to watch.
Locking the league for a certain amount of players only? No. That would so not help the growth of e-sport. Why would players even start/continue playing this game, if they know that they can't get in to the BEST league? (Would it even be the best league? Probably not) I sure wouldn't see any point in working hard if there was no chance of competing with the best (If I was semi good).
And no, I don't play Terran.
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On September 09 2011 17:24 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 17:14 nukeazerg wrote:
I think they need more caster diversity. Maybe a black man or a woman. Or a Indian or Latino. A real new diverse view on the game.
C. James Trotman argues that multiculturalism is valuable because it "uses several disciplines to highlight neglected aspects of our social history, particularly the histories of women and minorities [...and] promotes respect for the dignity of the lives and voices of the forgotten. By closing gaps, by raising consciousness about the past, multiculturalism tries to restore a sense of wholeness in a postmodern era that fragments human life and thought." they had a singaporean women... that didnt really help...jk no i dont believe getting in casters from other ethnicies will necessarily help.. do you know any good black woomen casters ?
I don't know whether sc2 would benefit from cultural reconstruction. Do we really need to acknowledge the viewpoints of the oppressed when casting starcraft? I don't think anyone would really care, and I'd just like to have charismatic and knowledgeable casters.
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On September 09 2011 17:50 Kdog3wa wrote:
Stop whining like little bit**es, if you don't like it, then don't watch it.
Thats what people are actually doing.
You don't have to ruin mine and others excitement towards the BEST tournament with such whiny bullshit. Too many Terrans? Well that should be Blizzards fault then, so point your complains towards them? it's not GOM's fault there's almost no protoss contenders. Code S is the BEST 'cause it's the BEST of the BEST and that's why it's the BEST to watch.
Stop whining. If you can't stand people discussing stuff, because it ruins your illusion, then you better avoid forums. If it is gom's fault or anyone elses is not even relevant to the discussion. If people dont like what they see they stop watching and talk about it, if you like it or not.
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On September 09 2011 18:11 perestain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 17:50 Kdog3wa wrote:
Stop whining like little bit**es, if you don't like it, then don't watch it.
Thats what people are actually doing. Show nested quote +
You don't have to ruin mine and others excitement towards the BEST tournament with such whiny bullshit. Too many Terrans? Well that should be Blizzards fault then, so point your complains towards them? it's not GOM's fault there's almost no protoss contenders. Code S is the BEST 'cause it's the BEST of the BEST and that's why it's the BEST to watch.
Stop whining. If you can't stand people discussing stuff, because it ruins your illusion, then you better avoid forums. If it is gom's fault or anyone elses is not even relevant to the discussion. If people dont like what they see they stop watching and talk about it, if you like it or not.
So you stopped watching because TvT is boring to you. Great! Now either contribute to developing the protoss/zerg metagame OR push Blizzard for changes to terran. GOM has no say in either of these so just going on about not paying due to TvT wont change shit and is pure unadultered whine.
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The format feels slow and boring, also the ranking system is confusing and hard to follow.
People don't feel all legendary and awesome anymore there, also the play feels scripted and studied, whilst in something like mlg, I kinda feel, you get to see what people are good for.
Would be awesome to narrow it down, have it like a propper tournament not league type xD
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On September 09 2011 19:52 ImDrizzt wrote:
The format feels slow and boring, also the ranking system is confusing and hard to follow.
People don't feel all legendary and awesome anymore there, also the play feels scripted and studied, whilst in something like mlg, I kinda feel, you get to see what people are good for.
Would be awesome to narrow it down, have it like a propper tournament not league type xD
what ?
are you seriously accusing the players that they scripted the outcomes ?
if that was the case how come koreans own up mlg too ?
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Since Code S should be a Hotspot of good players, it is good that it is so diffucult to get in and easy to drop out. For what ur suggested ther always is Code A! And u might as well count MLG in or the IEM or whatever international tournament with a certain prestige.... But honestly i don´t think Code S is boring by any means (my opinion of course). Maybe cause Code S TvT is way more interesting than normal TvT if you know what i mean! 
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I read the whole thread and nobody mentioned this. So it isnt gomtv fault if there is so much tvt, i agree for the most part, but putting crossfire into the map pool certainly didnt help right? Apparently the maps in the qualifier where more in the favor of Z and P, that is good.
I agree, they should get rid of Crossfire and Bel'Shir Beach and maybe even Dual Sight/Xel'Naga Fortress, those maps have pretty obvious imbalance issues.
are you seriously accusing the players that they scripted the outcomes ?
if that was the case how come koreans own up mlg too ?
The reason their teams don't have any money is because they bribe everyone all the time, duh
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On September 09 2011 19:56 farnham wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 19:52 ImDrizzt wrote:
The format feels slow and boring, also the ranking system is confusing and hard to follow.
People don't feel all legendary and awesome anymore there, also the play feels scripted and studied, whilst in something like mlg, I kinda feel, you get to see what people are good for.
Would be awesome to narrow it down, have it like a propper tournament not league type xD what ? are you seriously accusing the players that they scripted the outcomes ? if that was the case how come koreans own up mlg too ?
Read the word which comes before scripted. You went to the trouble to bold scripted so that shouldn't be to much trouble
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On September 09 2011 19:45 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 18:11 perestain wrote:On September 09 2011 17:50 Kdog3wa wrote:
Stop whining like little bit**es, if you don't like it, then don't watch it.
Thats what people are actually doing.
You don't have to ruin mine and others excitement towards the BEST tournament with such whiny bullshit. Too many Terrans? Well that should be Blizzards fault then, so point your complains towards them? it's not GOM's fault there's almost no protoss contenders. Code S is the BEST 'cause it's the BEST of the BEST and that's why it's the BEST to watch.
Stop whining. If you can't stand people discussing stuff, because it ruins your illusion, then you better avoid forums. If it is gom's fault or anyone elses is not even relevant to the discussion. If people dont like what they see they stop watching and talk about it, if you like it or not. So you stopped watching because TvT is boring to you. Great! Now either contribute to developing the protoss/zerg metagame OR push Blizzard for changes to terran. GOM has no say in either of these so just going on about not paying due to TvT wont change shit and is pure unadultered whine.
Its not whine, its a logical consequence. Viewers are neither responsible for the economical well-being of GOM nor the metagame/balance situation of an imbalanced game. If watching is not fun for someone, why should he pay for it? Charity for Terran players or what?
There are people in Blizzard and GOM who are in charge of making sure their business plan works out. Having information out on a forum why some people don't like to watch might be informative for them at some point in their decision making process, but other than that there is no connection or even responsibility you can force upon the viewers.
Also there are people who play the game for a living, they are the ones to tell blizzard if something is imba, not casual players and viewers. We can watch the games if we like it or not watch the games and then talk about our feelings towards the game on a forum, and thats about it. Everything else would be pretty preposterous.
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Too much terrans.not gom's fault.
format is awkward and feels unfair
Its hard to see new faces coming up
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I think this is silly Code S is the best league to watch game play wise, production wise, wise wise
It cant be touched by anything really imo
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On September 09 2011 21:43 Kewlots wrote:
I think this is silly Code S is the best league to watch game play wise, production wise, wise wise
It cant be touched by anything really imo
True, but only if you especially like watching terran. If you do not particularly enjoy this, then the game is pretty much dead, from a viewers perspective, with some few exceptions. So, like it has always been, everyone has to decide for themselves if what is shown is interesting enough to warrant a ticket purchase. I can imagine though that utter dominance of a single race will not be a good thing in the long run, and the fact that gom is not responsible changes nothing in that respect.
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On September 09 2011 21:54 perestain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 21:43 Kewlots wrote:
I think this is silly Code S is the best league to watch game play wise, production wise, wise wise
It cant be touched by anything really imo True, but only if you especially like watching terran. If you do not particularly enjoy this, then the game is pretty much dead, from a viewers perspective, with some few exceptions. So, like it has always been, everyone has to decide for themselves if what is shown is interesting enough to warrant a ticket purchase. I can imagine though that utter dominance of a single race will not be a good thing in the long run, and the fact that gom is not responsible changes nothing in that respect.
wow please stop
sure there are a lot of terrans right now due to imbalance but a few month ago protosses were dominating
its the metagame that is shifting and protoss just seems to have a hard time adapting right now
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On September 09 2011 21:33 perestain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 19:45 karpo wrote:On September 09 2011 18:11 perestain wrote:On September 09 2011 17:50 Kdog3wa wrote:
Stop whining like little bit**es, if you don't like it, then don't watch it.
Thats what people are actually doing.
You don't have to ruin mine and others excitement towards the BEST tournament with such whiny bullshit. Too many Terrans? Well that should be Blizzards fault then, so point your complains towards them? it's not GOM's fault there's almost no protoss contenders. Code S is the BEST 'cause it's the BEST of the BEST and that's why it's the BEST to watch.
Stop whining. If you can't stand people discussing stuff, because it ruins your illusion, then you better avoid forums. If it is gom's fault or anyone elses is not even relevant to the discussion. If people dont like what they see they stop watching and talk about it, if you like it or not. So you stopped watching because TvT is boring to you. Great! Now either contribute to developing the protoss/zerg metagame OR push Blizzard for changes to terran. GOM has no say in either of these so just going on about not paying due to TvT wont change shit and is pure unadultered whine. Its not whine, its a logical consequence. Viewers are neither responsible for the economical well-being of GOM nor the metagame/balance situation of an imbalanced game. If watching is not fun for someone, why should he pay for it? Charity for Terran players or what? There are people in Blizzard and GOM who are in charge of making sure their business plan works out. Having information out on a forum why some people don't like to watch might be informative for them at some point in their decision making process, but other than that there is no connection or even responsibility you can force upon the viewers. Also there are people who play the game for a living, they are the ones to tell blizzard if something is imba, not casual players and viewers. We can watch the games if we like it or not watch the games and then talk about our feelings towards the game on a forum, and thats about it. Everything else would be pretty preposterous.
everything you post here evolves around the fact that you dont like TVT
we get it. but there is no way to kick out players that have been performing well just because terrans are op right now
also its not like mlg has not been a terran fest
blizzard should do something yes. but complaints in that regard belong in the balance thread or in a mail to david kim.
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I love code s, often very good games.
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On September 09 2011 19:52 ImDrizzt wrote:
The format feels slow and boring, also the ranking system is confusing and hard to follow.
People don't feel all legendary and awesome anymore there, also the play feels scripted and studied, whilst in something like mlg, I kinda feel, you get to see what people are good for.
Would be awesome to narrow it down, have it like a propper tournament not league type xD
Then I guess MLG has a ton of *scripting* as well since the Koreans are writing the same story over there.
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