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TOloseGT
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States1145 Posts
September 07 2011 21:10 GMT
#21
I'm sure it's a little of everything the OP has listed, but also because Code S shows games more frequently than MLG, and only like 2 or 3 games a day as opposed to MLG's weekend long marathon run, the "boring" games stand out a lot more. MLG has its share of bad games, but it's drowned out by all the good games being played concurrently.
DivinitySC2
Profile Joined July 2011
United States244 Posts
September 07 2011 21:10 GMT
#22
You guys may be losing interest but the general view count trend for GSL seems to still be going up, not down. If you compare the view counts of GSL march or Open seasons 1/2/3 to the latest season you will see that the current seasons view counts are the same if not higher (disregarding the fact that the older seasons have had more time on the site so they will naturally have more views).
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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
September 07 2011 21:10 GMT
#23
On September 08 2011 06:09 FabledIntegral wrote:
I find MLG significantly more entertaining, there's almost always a game going on, less TvT, and I don't have to stay up til 2AM to watch it, but rather can do so midday. Watching things live makes things a million times better, which is the main reason why I don't watch IPL at all (haven't watched a single game). It's another reason I'm sort of turned off from the NASL.


Wait what, IPL and NASL are not that late for me, and I'm on the east coast, which is about as terrible as it gets timing-wise for US viewers.
Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
September 07 2011 21:10 GMT
#24
Lost interest in GSL because there are over 60% terrans
I only watch my favorite players, or if it's a match i really wanna see.
But that's not the fault from GOM, they do an amazing job.
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epidGoaty
Profile Joined December 2010
United States219 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-07 21:12:07
September 07 2011 21:10 GMT
#25
I lost interest because of the new format. Wait, I can't say I lost interest, but I don't quite understand how it works still (I could if I just read the format). I liked the GSL preseasons from last year. A straight up tournament of the top 64 players with standard brackets. Why can't they just do that with Code S being like the NFL version of the league, and code A being the minor leagues or somehting (not much thought into this idea I know).

The point being, I miss the old format and how exciting it was to see the top 2 players make it to the finals.

Edit: And yes, I am on the bandwagon with the "I'm tired of watching nothing but terrans". I really only tuned in to watch Huk, listen to tastosis in the background, and sometimes Code A when DoA was casting and Wolf... the actual content they were casting was of no interest to me but I liked the casters lol.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
September 07 2011 21:11 GMT
#26
On September 08 2011 06:07 OhMyGawd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 06:02 lizzard_warish wrote:
I can put my finger on why GSL is getting boring, and so can most people from what I've seen; watching thirty tvt's in a row is fucking gay.

User was warned for this post


Hey Terrancraft is fun regardless of the MU aslong as you have great players, the real problem is that you cant root for 1 player consistently without them going into up/down or code A


Well, Clide and NaDa are both legendary for avoiding up/downs and Code A, so you can root for them <3 and NaDa is legendary anyways.
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SRBNikola
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Serbia191 Posts
September 07 2011 21:11 GMT
#27
Its boring cause its not competitive at all, MVP and NesTea dominating it...
KazaDooM
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria32 Posts
September 07 2011 21:11 GMT
#28
In my opinion it is just too frequent. It would be better if there were less games a week.

Generally I would like the idea of merging Code A and Code S by seeding tog (e.g top4) players into Code S at some point. There should be at least the possibility for a code A guy to win the thing from the bottom as it is possible in MLG. This would also create more storylines we could follow and enjoy.

I fear that GOM hast built some kind of bottleneck that prevents talents from reaching the top fast.
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Cyanocyst
Profile Joined October 2010
2222 Posts
September 07 2011 21:11 GMT
#29
I disagree MLG system is flawed currently. The finals are always underwhelming cause of the double elimination bracket. I prefer single elimination tournaments.

That said GSl isn't perfect. I don't like the volatility of Code S round of 32. Think the rest of code S is fine. If group stages could some how be best of 3's vs each player, that would be more optinal in my mind.

However that would take just an insane amount of time.
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nicknt
Profile Joined October 2010
185 Posts
September 07 2011 21:12 GMT
#30
like I said in another thread, ditch code A. Use a 64 man tourny like the super tournament with the players getting to ro32 keeping their spots for next tournament and the 32 losers will have to go thru qualifiers.This way we get alot new blood in each time, get to see up and comers and more upsets can happen, I think this would really liven GSL up. The qualifiers would even be more exciting as there are 32 spots and many big names trying to requalify each time. As things are right now it's getting pretty boring to see the same faces in code S and the skill gap between them and players wallowing in code A/B isn't much.
Joni_
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany355 Posts
September 07 2011 21:12 GMT
#31
I sense a problem there. Including those open bracket qualified players into post-group play will inevitably lead to some of the players taking out well known players without being known at all beforehand. Imagine there are billions of MVP-Fans watching and some no-name Korean with insane skill takes out MVP just like that. It will certainly create some attention for this new player and most certainly there will be many new fans made, but the amount of players actually being disappointed and losing interest because their favourite player MVP got knocked out will be much higher.

Still i actually like the idea, but think the top 8 (or top X, whatevs) open bracket players should be included in group play, thus not being 'responsible' for knocking out some fan favourites before actually getting some televised playtime and being a little known at least plus if a fan favourite doesn't advance from groups, he most likely had a really hard group or simply didn't do too well against the other players in his group.
Also it'd remind me more of the system MLG is using.. Seeding open bracket players directly into the tournament in a league that isn't played out during a very short period of time seems kinda counter-intuitive to me...
Hypemeup
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden2783 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-07 21:13:06
September 07 2011 21:12 GMT
#32
Code S is for the best of the best, and currently alot of terran players are preforming, other races... Not so much.

Your idea would sort of invalidate "code S" status.
roymarthyup
Profile Joined April 2010
1442 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-07 21:13:27
September 07 2011 21:12 GMT
#33
On September 08 2011 06:11 Cyanocyst wrote:
I disagree MLG system is flawed currently. The finals are always underwhelming cause of the double elimination bracket. I prefer single elimination tournaments.

That said GSl isn't perfect. I don't like the volatility of Code S round of 32. Think the rest of code S is fine. If group stages could some how be best of 3's vs each player, that would be more optinal in my mind.

However that would take just an insane amount of time.



agree somewhat. possibly mlg needs to somehow garuntee a bo7 finals

id say the easiest way to do it is to simply make the finals bo7 no matter what and leave it at that. no double elimination in the finals
Sandro
Profile Joined April 2011
897 Posts
September 07 2011 21:13 GMT
#34
My solution:

GOM pays a handful of Terran players to switch their race to P or Z.

Voila! No more boring ass TvT's
QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-07 21:14:49
September 07 2011 21:13 GMT
#35
I've been following it closely for every season till now, but I find that I just check results for nearly all the matches instead of watching. Unless its a big time showdown, I won't bother to watch the plethora of TvT's. I have appreciation of their skill, but I can only look at so many floating buildings and blue flame for so long. Going into next season, it looks like I'll be doing even more of the same -- just quickly scanning results and moving along.

Racial diversity would certainly help.

"Trash Micro but Win. Its Marin." - Min Chul
justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
September 07 2011 21:13 GMT
#36
I watch the same amount of GSL as I did always. I bought the VoDs because its the best value out there. It might be losing popularity because many people don't agree with me about the value. I personally like that it's spread out over a few weeks. I hate MLG's structure of jamming 1,000 games into one weekend (that's why they are changing 'cuz I told them to).

I haven't seen very many people saying they are losing interest. /shrug
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HackBenjamin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1094 Posts
September 07 2011 21:14 GMT
#37
I love the GSL - Code A and S alike. I would watch it more, but my two issues are:

a) cant stay up til the sun comes up anymore, school has to take priority
b) cant really afford the season ticket for VODs right now

Code A is super entertaining because you really get a sense of how different players are growing. I also enjoy Code S because you get to watch some big names duke it out
TheGiftedApe
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1243 Posts
September 07 2011 21:15 GMT
#38
I dont play terran, and therefore dont have time to watch tvt, and since i play zerg now, i don't watch tvp either. Since that is about 66% of the games, i watch a lot less now than i used to. I used to watch just to see the good games, but watching terrans bunker rushing and bancheesing each other is just not something i have time for.

I watch gsl to see current Zerg strategies, and as long as they still have good zergs playing i will keep watching everyweek, just not as much as I used too.

Also, I hate the code s format in general, I mean best of ones, these are the best players in the world, and you are making them play best of ones?!!?!?!?. It's why the best players don't make it too the finals and the finals end up being one sided. Someone always cheeses their way to top4 or even further. If i'm gonna watch a sc2 match, I want too see atleast a bo3, bo5 would be preferable. I don't see how they feel a series of best of ones for the first rounds helps their system.
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bLah.
Profile Joined July 2009
Croatia497 Posts
September 07 2011 21:15 GMT
#39
Thing is, MLG is an event. There is hype building going into MLGs which get to peak when MLG starts. Then you have 2 days of constant gaming, hyping, tons of stuff to watch/hear/talk about, and then it's over.
It's hard to keep that hype for a month for GSL etc.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
September 07 2011 21:15 GMT
#40
On September 08 2011 06:13 Sandro wrote:
My solution:

GOM pays a handful of Terran players to switch their race to P or Z.

Voila! No more boring ass TvT's


It's unclear whether several Code S players would be able to retain their positions in Code S if they changed races-- It would take a lot of practice and learning new micro, and they may not fully recover from the change for some time.
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