EPTI watched TLO vs MadFroG showmatch and afterwards I searched YouTube and came across Husky... I hate him now but it was his videos that I watched... and his commentating of MLG Raleigh is what got me into it. As much as I dislike him, I must give him the credit he is due.
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SiffStarcraft
United States45 Posts
I watched TLO vs MadFroG showmatch and afterwards I searched YouTube and came across Husky... I hate him now but it was his videos that I watched... and his commentating of MLG Raleigh is what got me into it. As much as I dislike him, I must give him the credit he is due. | ||
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DivinitySC2
United States244 Posts
On August 24 2011 16:30 Azzur wrote: You've come up with some broad generalisations and coined it the GENERAL TREND. You have no evidence that this is how it works. If you can come up with some numbers or a survey maybe, then we can start taking the pyramid structure seriously. Yeah sorry for not including real numbers, sloppy on my part, its gonna take some work but ill do it. | ||
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las91
United States5080 Posts
For example, the "pyramid" you have in your OP is not actually how viewership works. People get introduced to SC2 through all of the things in the pyramid, and through their actual RL friends who play the game. I suspect that Blizzard marketing and friends playing the game would have the largest growth to SC2. Nonetheless, these posts of "zomg SC2 will die" are getting old. SC2 has been out for a year, and at least in the MLG scene has grown dramatically since release. Just because the game isn't the hit that BW was in Korea does not make it any less of a successful title for eSports in general. | ||
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ger.Electric
Germany157 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On August 24 2011 16:34 DivinitySC2 wrote: Sorry if ur actually mad because of my post I knew a lot of people would not agree, im happy we agree on some points! You said youtube's role is for people to take a glance at the game, if they like it they stay if not they leave. I agree also, we need more of this, but ur next sentence "they arent stupid and can only find info on youtube" Sorry but not everyone on earth is you, not everyone knows the korean based gomtv site from heart. TL is more visible cuz its so high up on the google search but still... Same with justintv, or nasl, we hear of these things through hd/husky for the most part. Chill man its fine if we disagree.. srlsy why do you always refere to hd and husky.. for my part i never ever watched them again after i came here to teamliquid and it wasnt hd or husky who brought me here it was day9 who i know from gamescom 2010..... | ||
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DivinitySC2
United States244 Posts
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ClueLessx3
Australia53 Posts
I only just started play sc2 from the beginning of the year. Through friends talking about it in school and giving me that guest pass, thankfully i was instantly hooked. But after that everything else was pretty much on my own. I didn't know about husky until the friend sent me a link about it and starting watching it. After that I grew eager (read side note to know why i was eager) to play SC2 better, so i searched up guide on google. I first followed sc2armory and read a crap load of text from the protoss player named Gemini. Then I stumbled my way into TL on the quest to find more guides (thanks google!). I was like huh this looks good :D, and pretty much lingered around on this site when i had the time. One day i was just checking out the interface of the site and was like, "? livestream? video game livestream? lol!" *clicked one of them* think it was liquid jinro by memory and was like wtfbbq this guy is off the hook! and then clicked on every other players that was going live. I didn't know about Day9 until someone linked it to his guides on youtube. So what i'm saying is that, there needs to be some sort of promotion from the everyone to promote other layers of resource to get people interested in player better starcraft. I consider myself pretty lucky to find this site by my own, I think it would of been a lot easier for new comers to find a great community through the use of links or just a simple "hey go check out [site name] its pretty cool too" message to feel like that their in for something much much bigger, and feel comfortable around people who enjoy this game as much as them. TLDR - There need to be promotion from all layers of the pyramid, so that any newcomers from any angle entering this game can be guided in the right direction. Side note: My first RTS game i played was AoE (the first one) before but i lost to a computer on very easy even with cheats lol! Since then i really didn't like RTS all that much (didn't touch it for like 8 years). So ever since playing sc2 i was like ok time to learn how to play the god damn RTS that is impossible to play. I always like a challenge! ^.^ Side side note: why i lost to very easy was because there was this unit called the priest and converted my car (some uber 1337 unit that pretty much guaranteed instant win) into an enemy and i died from there. | ||
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JustPassingBy
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julianto
2292 Posts
After I actually bought SC2, Husky's commentary couldn't satiate my curiosity and hunger for SC2 knowledge. I stuck with day9 for awhile afterwards, but now I go straight to the source. I watch pro streams and high-end tournaments. The things I would change about the pyramid is switch teamliquid/jtv with day9, because you can go so much more in depth in the strategy forums, and opinions are not of one person, but many, and potentially better people. | ||
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nemui
United States17 Posts
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Longshank
1648 Posts
On August 24 2011 15:34 Xenocide_Knight wrote: Maybe not everyone here considers sc2 as a necessity to e-sports? Maybe some of us wouldn't care whatsoever if sc2 died out Post shit like this in the BW forums and you'll see red text in various shapes within seconds. Funny how TL works. | ||
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ander
Canada403 Posts
Do you want starcraft to be on ESPN? Network television? What's wrong with the way it is now? MLG is getting bigger and bigger, and it's SMASHING viewing records. MLG isnt the only one either. I see no reason to panic over the fact that Husky isn't getting over 100,000 views on every single video. | ||
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dakalro
Romania525 Posts
On August 24 2011 15:57 Azzur wrote: Nope, I don't agree. The pyramid structure implies that players should move up to "higher" content once they are introduced to SC2 from a lower-tier. In reality, it doesn't work this way. Rather, there are many diverse means in which players may get involved in SC2. This may be Day9, youtube videos, playing it, friends, GSL, etc. So, the objective is to make all content as easily accessible as possible so that the people may find the niche in which they best fit in. Blizzard can help by featuring streams/tournaments in their game UI or website. Once the people are involved in their preferred content, then this will make them long-term members of the community. But how do they get to Day[9], friends or Husky/HD. I'm pretty sure there's a lot more people that bought the game, alone or in groups, that have 0 knowledge about TL, Day[9], Husky, HD and how do they get information? Search Youtube/Google. I for one don't ask friends first, at most I get recommendations. If I remember well the first videos I saw were by HD. Found out about TL after a guildie in WoW mentioned it by chance. Did a search to find site address. The structure is fine just needs some small inputs at every level to say "friendly recommendations".- It also seems most people consider the community being reduced to TL & relatives. Wow, check TL user counts, compare to Youtube subscribers, see a tiny difference there? Most people that watch SC2 have no idea TL exists. This little world is so tiny it barely makes a dent in viewer counts for the major tournaments/total SC2 games viewed. We just like to think we're IT. | ||
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BukoJuko
United States7 Posts
When i was first introduced to the community it was through HD and Husky, I didn't know anything about TL or Day[9] at that time. Now, However, 8 months after the fact, I have unsubscribed from both HD and Husky and still watch day9 all the time as well as all of the tournaments..so just because the "tier 1" youtubers numbers have leveled out doesnt mean that the growth has stopped. Maybe its just they are losing older viewers, while, at the same time gaining new ones..because the top of your pyramid is as strong as ever | ||
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robih
Austria1086 Posts
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DivinitySC2
United States244 Posts
On August 24 2011 16:59 ander wrote: ...How big is big enough? And is this supposed to be some kind of crisis or something? Do you want starcraft to be on ESPN? Network television? What's wrong with the way it is now? MLG is getting bigger and bigger, and it's SMASHING viewing records. MLG isnt the only one either. I see no reason to panic over the fact that Husky isn't getting over 100,000 views on every single video. Espns sick, pokers on espn, dream big sc2 can be on espn it's up to the community. | ||
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Korlinni
125 Posts
I learned about sc2 originaly from WoW though. You can't forget the word of mouth. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6230 Posts
I think you'd be very surprised at the number of people who come in at angles other than what you expect. Friends introducing friends isn't rare, it's actually extremely common, even among players who aren't hardcore at all. And word of mouth can bring people in at any "level" at all, completely screwing up any predictions. I know bronzes who've introduced all their friends to both husky and day[9] without ever having set foot in TL. As another example, I went straight to TL from liquipedia while searching build orders before I even owned the game. I went from there to GSL, have never watched Day9 in my life, and only find out about things like "banelings" when they're posted on this forum. The [random youtube search] -> [husky] -> [TL] -> [day9] -> [GSL] progression is really a bit of a fantasy; at best it's a marginally more likely scenario out of hundreds. | ||
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W2
United States1177 Posts
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Gegenschein
Canada107 Posts
Just like we didn't collectively mandate James Horner and John Williams to be the "tier 1" of the classical music ladder. It just happened that way. Mostly because they're pretty good at being that. But if you think you can present an alternative, by all means, go ahead! | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On August 24 2011 16:40 ger.Electric wrote: Quote + Show Spoiler + On August 24 2011 16:34 DivinitySC2 wrote: Sorry if ur actually mad because of my post I knew a lot of people would not agree, im happy we agree on some points! You said youtube's role is for people to take a glance at the game, if they like it they stay if not they leave. I agree also, we need more of this, but ur next sentence "they arent stupid and can only find info on youtube" Sorry but not everyone on earth is you, not everyone knows the korean based gomtv site from heart. TL is more visible cuz its so high up on the google search but still... Same with justintv, or nasl, we hear of these things through hd/husky for the most part. Chill man its fine if we disagree.. srlsy why do you always refere to hd and husky.. for my part i never ever watched them again after i came here to teamliquid and it wasnt hd or husky who brought me here it was day9 who i know from gamescom 2010..... But you are part of a minority, thats his point. | ||
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