EPTThe SC2 Growth Structure, and why its rotting. - Page 6
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archonOOid
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Clonze
Canada281 Posts
On August 24 2011 15:30 DivinitySC2 wrote: This post, makes me a bit mad. Day9 makes people get better, and takes them in... Did I disagree with this? Husky controls the views, you just stated that, that is my point he controlls the influx of players, which is the key part. Im not talking about improvement of skills, im talking about the awareness of SC2... Ok well you put the Husky/Day9 point at the Top of the pyramid (GSL - hardcore people) Day9 keeps people interested in the game... and i guess you say that husky brings more sc2 people. I think you have this pyramid labeled wrong. It should be GSL and more hardcore sc2 on the bottom of the pyramid and the T1 sc2ers on the top, because T1 trickles down into improving the CORE of the sc2 growth. Being introduced to sc2 is good and all but without Day9 and other enthusiastic sc2 personalities, interest is lost and we don't gain anymore CORE SC2'ers. you said, despite day9's fame, it does not compare to hd/husky in regards to """"PLAYER GROWTH""""" And you're right, you're not talking about improvement of skills, you're not talking about awareness of SC2 either though, you are talking about the growth of starcraft2. T1 players should be considered potential increase of the sc2 community, so that's why i disagree with you saying that day9 doesn't compare to hd/husky in regards to player growth. T1 tubers are NOTHING unless they trickle down the pyramid (ex: day9), but without T1 tubers (youtubers are not the only introduction of sc2) then I guess you can say sc2 isn't growing as quickly. But it's definitely not rotting. | ||
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D_K_night
Canada615 Posts
All these tier 1 youtubers that are being referenced are all lower ranked players. That's right people. The very same low league people you guys love to hate and treat with disdain. And that's where the mass attitude shift needs to start. We're digging our own graves because the lesser skilled players are being bashed by these very forums. For anything to grow, it needs to appeal to the mass market. Even if they are all bronze to plat players. That's the reality, whether you accept it or not. | ||
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Phaded
Australia579 Posts
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Hammer442
Australia749 Posts
On August 24 2011 17:50 Toadvine wrote: Could you? I mean, throw some numbers around. Because. to be honest, SC2 stream viewership numbers on major events have never been particularly impressive to me. IPL Grand Finals get like 30k, IEM Cologne maybe 50k, DreamHack Summer hovered around 70k for most of the tournament. That's really not much, especially if you compare it to the MOBA games, with LoL doubling SC2's numbers at Dreamhack, and the ridiculous amount of viewers for the DotA2 opening tournament. Dreamhack peaked over 90k when MC was playing IdrA and around the same for the finals, MLG numbers have been going nowhere but up, over 100k at anaheim on the stream. The major events are getting the numbers, some events are not being publcized as well as they could be. IEM numbers kind of surprised me because there were some good games.. people just did not know about it. LoL numbers were great but it is an entirely different game and we should not really be judging sc2 growth and success off the back of another game. I am pretty sure LoL were getting extra viewers by Riot adding the stream to the launcher aswell something that sc2 could gain from. The more Blizzard support sc2 and E-sports the more it will grow. | ||
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Headnoob
Australia2108 Posts
yeah nah, you're talking out your ass | ||
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WinteRR
Australia201 Posts
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vojnik
Macedonia923 Posts
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corpuscle
United States1967 Posts
On August 24 2011 18:01 D_K_night wrote:All these tier 1 youtubers that are being referenced are all lower ranked players. That's right people. The very same low league people you guys love to hate and treat with disdain. And that's where the mass attitude shift needs to start. We're digging our own graves because the lesser skilled players are being bashed by these very forums. As someone who's been a TL member all the way from when I was in Bronze to my current ultra gosu x100 Platinum level, I don't feel like I was ever "bashed" for being in a lower league. Sure, if I went and said something stupid and misinformed, people would call me an idiot, but I never sensed any sort of disdain or anything just because I was in a low league. If anything, TL (and the SC2 community in general) is shockingly tolerant of "noobs" who are trying to learn and improve, it's way better than other gaming communities I've seen. | ||
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Immersion_
United Kingdom794 Posts
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Mobius_1
United Kingdom2763 Posts
That said, you do have a very interesting representation of the community and how people get into it, and I feel it is pretty accurate of how I became better at SC2 and more connected with the community surrounding the game. | ||
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Evangelist
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However in terms of really getting into the game, you pretty much become part of the community once your watch your first Day[9] Daily because, let's be honest, that's where Starcraft 2 stops being a game and becomes fun. Most people who watch Day[9] will, within thirty seconds of hearing someone plays SC2, mention Day[9]. | ||
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kidd
United States2848 Posts
Seriously, go promote SC2 yourself and simply encourage others to do the same. If you want to do anything besides that like this thread then I'd like to ask you to please do something else with your time. | ||
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Normalised
Macedonia27 Posts
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Lysergic
United States355 Posts
-I bought SC2 because I played BW in middle school (played UMS, didn't know about pro scene). -Found some friends using the facebook search on bnet, and also got some friends to buy the game. -I started searching for pro replays to watch because Blizzard released a Top 200 on ladder list, (Discovered Idra, TLO, HuK, and Tester). -Found Liquipedia and YABOT by googling 'SC2 Strategy'. -Discovered GOMTV and started watching GSL Open Season 1 because Blizzard advertised it on bnet. -Started searching youtube for SC2 videos, discovered Idra's BM, Z being weak and T being OP. -Inspired by Fruitdealer winning GSL, I became more interested in the pro scene after this. -I watch Blizzcon and find out who SlayerSBoxer is from the FruitDealer showmatch, once again because Blizzard posted an article on bnet. -I continue watching GSL and discover TeamLiquid forums from Artosis plugging it at GSL (or maybe I googled SC2 forums, not sure). -Learn about Day9 from TL, start watching streams too. -4 months later, I go to my first LAN, MLG Columbus. My interest/introduction was kind of backwards from your chart. The news articles on bnet were actually how I discovered the sc2 community / pro scene. I started with pro replay watching, then GSL, Blizzcon, TL, Day9, pro streams, then attending MLG. I started watching tier 1 youtubers (HD/Psy) somewhere in the middle, but I was just searching for games of pro players I knew from GSL, the T1 youtubers didn't introduce me to the community or influence my interest in SC2 at all. | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
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Tuk
United Kingdom223 Posts
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bRiz
United States113 Posts
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ROOTdrewbie
Canada1392 Posts
On August 24 2011 15:31 Nerdslayer wrote: You need to know what sc2 is before you watch day9. And thats what husky and HD does so how do new people come in and get millions of views with newb friendlyvideos t_t lets askjoshy what to do | ||
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Drgggg
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doesn't riot auto-include streams into the client, thus inflating views? MOBA's are really boring to watch. No. Lol included a link to the stream in the client; however, the players still had to click the ad in order to be counted as a view. | ||
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