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Dear TL, there is an issue that as been on my mind for a while, and I would like to adress it.
First please examine this photo that I have made.
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The starcraft 2 fanbase has grown after release mainly off of the fame generated off blizzard, and the games prequel, Broodwar.
After the initial wave, it can only grow from social media pretty much advertising the game, aka Starcraft 2 players on youtube, big live stream tournys, etc.
As you can see from the diagram, when a typical person discovers this game and its community, they typically enter through the most visible way. Husky/HD/ or Lagtv (guys who do those cheese fail vids). Someone with zero knowledge of the game will not watch a day9 daily or Gomtv and understand what is happening.
Also Sites like Justintv and other live streams and even this site TL are not instantly visible to new players without digging deeper or shoutouts/advertisements.
Most of the groundwork for everything besides the tier 1 youtubers, have been created by the tier 1 youtubers.
People go to gomtv after husky starcraft or hd starcraft tells them about the site.
Their influence is simply astonishing. An example is HD or husky I cant remember made a video for the Nvidia Geforce gtx460 a while back, and I just bought sc2 and could not run it, so I paid for the Geforce lol ^.^
Videos like huskys banelings video or a lagtv episode filled with screaming are the portals that attract people who have never heard of sc2 into the community, not a complex day9 daily with 15k views or streams on sites hidden from the mainstream public like justintv or gomtv. (I love day9, watch almost all of his stuff btw)
The communtity grows with growth in viewcounts of the tier 1 youtubers. A direct result of growth in views of tier 1 youtubers is a growth in tier 2, justintv streams, mlg views etc. and so on..
The issue at hand is the fact that nearly all of the tier 1 tubers have stopped gaining view counts. The viewcounts and subscriber counts for husky and HD are at a standstill pretty much... And this has had a clear impact on the view counts for GSL, and tier 2 youtubers, with the exception of destiny.
SC2 has gotten big... but not big enough.
I love this community but for continued growth (untill HOTS), we need more tier 1 youtubers in the scene, or it simply will not happen.
SC2 can become a community of a few players who know a lot, or a community of many players with a diversity of knowledge of the game.
I will be editing this as more people post suggestions etc, I worked a lot on this thread and id love to hear your opinions on my thoughts!
I would love action to take place, get out and be creative, find a way to garner more attention for the game! Be one of those teir 1 youtubers yourself, dosent even have to be youtube, just find a well used platform of social media!
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What about word of mouth? And Blizzard advertising? I don't really see a clear problem.
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Very untrue. Husky may control youtube views but Day9 takes people in and helps them get better, which in the end makes them more interested in sc2.
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SC2 had a huge growth and it declined.
Duh, that's kind of what happens with games.
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I agree the impact Husky and HD have had on the growth of sc2 is preatty big. Personally i got introduced to sc2 by watching the HD invational.
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On August 24 2011 15:28 Clonze wrote:
Very untrue. Husky may control youtube views but Day9 takes people in and helps them get better, which in the end makes them more interested in sc2.
This post, makes me a bit mad.
Day9 makes people get better, and takes them in... Did I disagree with this?
Husky controls the views, you just stated that, that is my point he controlls the influx of players, which is the key part.
Im not talking about improvement of skills, im talking about the awareness of SC2...
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On August 24 2011 15:28 Clonze wrote:
Very untrue. Husky may control youtube views but Day9 takes people in and helps them get better, which in the end makes them more interested in sc2.
i think what he means is that when u first discover the game it is through people such as husky rather than day9 who is someone who helps someone have a greater understanding of it once they are involved in it.
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On August 24 2011 15:28 Clonze wrote:
Very untrue. Husky may control youtube views but Day9 takes people in and helps them get better, which in the end makes them more interested in sc2.
You need to know what sc2 is before you watch day9. And thats what husky and HD does
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On August 24 2011 15:29 Gamegene wrote:
SC2 had a huge growth and it declined.
Duh, that's kind of what happens with games.
So you want the community to slowly decline, because thats just what happens to games?
Dosent have to be that way, I thought people on this site were enthusiasts of e-sports, the game can still grow, if people view it as a sport.
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And if the SC2 scene stops growing, what's wrong with that? We have a large, vibrant scene right now and as a spectator fan there is almost nothing more I could possibly ask for. Perhaps you actually believed that e-sports would become mainstream? That was always just a pipedream and if you think about it not a desirable outcome either.
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I don't really buy any of what you're saying, sorry. I've had friends who have never played an RTS watch MLG with me and enjoy it when there's someone to explain the basics, and they've since gone on to watch IPL and GSL on their own without my supervision.
It's not to say that more "tier 1 youtubers" would hurt the scene necessarily, but we don't NEED them to grow SC2... we need people who are willing to be enthusiastic and open about it with people they know to have the patience to show it to their friends.
edit: I also meant to say that someone who has never played SC2 probably won't enjoy Husky (at least on their own), they might like something like WCF but even then it's not going to inspire them to play the game/move past that sort of thing into watching pro streams/tourneys
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I certainly agree that we need more amazing people like husky and hd, people who can make the game interesting to people who have never seen it before.
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On August 24 2011 15:31 DivinitySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 15:29 Gamegene wrote:
SC2 had a huge growth and it declined.
Duh, that's kind of what happens with games. So you want the community to slowly decline, because thats just what happens to games? Dosent have to be that way, I thought people on this site were enthusiasts of e-sports, the game can still grow, if people view it as a sport.
Maybe not everyone here considers sc2 as a necessity to e-sports?
Maybe some of us wouldn't care whatsoever if sc2 died out
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I also found about TL through HD/Husky, but I'm not sure we should be worried.
Currently there are big organizations setting up tournaments and events, and they get the views. There is a healthy amount of people interested with the game. As long as the level of play doesn't drop down hugely (like going back to GSL 1 era one base all-in cheese every game), people will still be interested. Organizations will also help with that as they are working on how to make events more interesting to the viewers and spectators.
If you're talking about Korea level immense popularity where there are two television channels broadcasting it, and a ton of people coming on to a stadium to watch proleague finals or such, we are not there yet, but we never may well be. We may not even need it. MLG is an awesome live event, and even though comparing it to proleague finals attendance is like lemons to watermelons, it is still good enough to support an healthy scene.
I agree though, Youtubers have to do more work to get in more people. Youtube is really important to know about the game and get into it.
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I dont like ur way u seperate us player/viewers in seperate groups for example mlg / iem / nasl attracts many not tier1 viewer ...
there are always people who cant just enjoy this amazing growth of esports and thats rly said and srsly what do you want to archieve with this thread ? suggestions for what the community isnt rotting at all..
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More tier 1 youtubers (I like the phrase and your line of thinking by the way), won't stop the total view counts from stagnating.
Just buy your cousin the game for Christmas and post links to tier 2/3 sites all over the internet and in your facebook status. Seems like word of mouth is the only factor in your control.
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My story.
Friend said play S2. -------> No rank
Look it up. Find Husky and HD, Soon find PsY --- No rank
Buy game and go on blizz fourms (lol) and see post about Day9 daily. --- Bronze/silver/gold
Wonders wtf is that. Looks it up. Noms the good info I learn. ---> Plat/Diamond
Find TL/Read article on GSL. Find GOM --- > Diamond
Find streams on TL.----> MASTERS BABY WOO
Watch many streams. Too many streams. No time to play gamez. ---- > Decreaseing masters.
D:
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When I first started sc2 the only videos I watched were day9, I found husky to be a noob/anoying. When any of my friends from other games start playing sc2 its normally from word of mouth from other gamers telling them sc2 is amazing, not them seeing any of HD/Huskies video's.
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what you need you need to understand is that there is a finite amount of people who are into competitive gaming, or RTS games in general, therefore as a high percentage of those people join the sc2 community the less likely someone new will join it. Leading to a decrease in growth, and stagnation. There is not much that can be done about that,
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On August 24 2011 15:33 corpuscle wrote:
I don't really buy any of what you're saying, sorry. I've had friends who have never played an RTS watch MLG with me and enjoy it when there's someone to explain the basics, and they've since gone on to watch IPL and GSL on their own without my supervision.
It's not to say that more "tier 1 youtubers" would hurt the scene necessarily, but we don't NEED them to grow SC2... we need people who are willing to be enthusiastic and open about it with people they know to have the patience to show it to their friends.
edit: I also meant to say that someone who has never played SC2 probably won't enjoy Husky (at least on their own), they might like something like WCF but even then it's not going to inspire them to play the game/move past that sort of thing into watching pro streams/tourneys
You just agreed with what I had to say, I didnt say tier1 tubers were 100% supporting the growth of the site lol, there must be a portal somehow to raise awareness, its mostly HD/Husky,
but sometimes there are rarer scenarios, like a friend introducing his friend to the game, like you nice job.
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