Why 1/1/1 is considered to be imbalanced in Korea - Page 132

On August 28 2011 13:25 ReignFayth wrote:

oh I think these players are those who participate a lot in the strategy section so they get highlighted, such as minigun right?

On August 28 2011 13:34 perser84 wrote:
well i am a terran and i am quite interrested how toss counter it
even if i tell from the start
"i 1/1/1 you"

On August 28 2011 13:37 CortoMontez wrote:
Personally I suspect that patch 1.4 wasn't intended to address the 1-1-1, since Blizzard would have spent a lot of time since the last patch coming up with these ideas, whilst the 1-1-1 issue only came up a few weeks before the PTR notes were released.

The only two parts of the patch which could affect the 1-1-1 are:
5 second build time increase on barracks; which in my opinion won't have any effect upon the potency of the 1-1-1 because there is such a large timing window where this build wins that a 5 second delay will make no difference.

+1 range on immortals; I also think this will have no effect upon the ability of protoss to hold off the 1-1-1, since it seemed that the main problem wasn't that immortals couldn't reach the tanks , but that the immortals melted so fast to the marines. Although the immortals would outrange marines, there will almost definitely be marines INFRONT of the tanks, meaning that they still have to go into marine attack range to kill the tanks.

EDIT: Also, the main reason that i think the 1-1-1 is imbalanced is because it is uniquely unable to be blind countered, since as far as I know there is a blind counter build to every other all-in in the game. (Feel free to correct me on this point).

On August 28 2011 13:39 Orcasgt24 wrote:

If you said that to me right off the bat, I Cannon rush you lol. That counts 1/1/1 pretty hard lol

On August 28 2011 13:41 jinorazi wrote:


sentry also helps with guardian shield vs tank splash.

On August 28 2011 13:43 CortoMontez wrote:
AFAIK that was a bug fix, and a reduction from 35 damage to 33 damage in a limited area is hardly a significant change.

On August 28 2011 13:30 henreiman wrote:
I'm a Terran player. Generally I hate the nerds who qq about balance before letting the game simply play out (and 90% of the time someone invents a legitimate counter build). But this build - easily identified early, hard to transition out of - is more than a bit ridiculous. Any build that autowins 80-90% (EVEN WHEN SCOUTED!) of the time isn't balanced, I don't care if it can be stopped. I'm sure with practice the win rate could be cut to 60%, but that's still silly for an easily executable/replicable build.

The only question is how to balance it. The 6 range on Immortals I think helps (they can hit siege tanks while marine AI attacks elsewhere)? It's going to be really tough to balance one particular all in build without altering the game.

On August 28 2011 13:34 perser84 wrote:
well i am a terran and i am quite interrested how toss counter it
even if i tell from the start
"i 1/1/1 you"

On August 28 2011 13:37 CortoMontez wrote:
EDIT: Also, the main reason that i think the 1-1-1 is imbalanced is because it is uniquely unable to be blind countered, since as far as I know there is a blind counter build to every other all-in in the game. (Feel free to correct me on this point).

On August 28 2011 13:37 CortoMontez wrote:
Personally I suspect that patch 1.4 wasn't intended to address the 1-1-1, since Blizzard would have spent a lot of time since the last patch coming up with these ideas, whilst the 1-1-1 issue only came up a few weeks before the PTR notes were released.

The only two parts of the patch which could affect the 1-1-1 are:
5 second build time increase on barracks; which in my opinion won't have any effect upon the potency of the 1-1-1 because there is such a large timing window where this build wins that a 5 second delay will make no difference.

+1 range on immortals; I also think this will have no effect upon the ability of protoss to hold off the 1-1-1, since it seemed that the main problem wasn't that immortals couldn't reach the tanks , but that the immortals melted so fast to the marines. Although the immortals would outrange marines, there will almost definitely be marines INFRONT of the tanks, meaning that they still have to go into marine attack range to kill the tanks.

EDIT: Also, the main reason that i think the 1-1-1 is imbalanced is because it is uniquely unable to be blind countered, since as far as I know there is a blind counter build to every other all-in in the game. (Feel free to correct me on this point).

On August 28 2011 13:48 Amui wrote:


There is a blind counter...it's called 15 nexus. Off of a 15 nexus you'll have 5-6 gates and a robo along with enough probes to produce out of it all, and you'll roflstomp this push. However, 15 nexus can be all-inned with 100% certainty of kill if terran was going for 1rax gasless FE, and a 2rax opener can put you extremely far behind. Guess what also happens to be two of the more common TvP builds? Even in the GSL, if I counted just those 2 builds, it would probably account for 50+% of the openers that aren't 1/1/1

On August 28 2011 12:34 tomatriedes wrote:


It was translated by Milkis bro.

On August 28 2011 13:50 CortoMontez wrote:

So... you're basically saying that the blind-counter to 1-1-1 is to die to a 2 rax (or other build) instead?

On August 28 2011 13:45 dooraven wrote:
No but Immortals taking 8 damage instead of 10 is actually pretty big.