Why 1/1/1 is considered to be imbalanced in Korea - Page 143

On September 05 2011 06:40 Mikelius wrote:


There is no warp gate time change for patch 1.4. They are adding 30 seconds to blink research time, but warp gate still takes 160 seconds.

On September 05 2011 09:29 sandyph wrote:


this is true I think, most of the Terran doing 1-1-1 when I get Protoss(Random) will try to snipe the voidrays with their marines as quick as possible even when there are stalkers and zealot just below the voids on hold command :-/

but if they wait too long, they can easily lost their rax and then the only anti air they have are vikings which do nothing against stalkers and zealots

although if you do voids all in and they go mass marines-medivac with stim then you'll die pretty quick

On September 06 2011 15:25 tuho12345 wrote:
lol anyone just watched HuK's stream? Doesn't matter how many immortals, bases and units you have, you still lose anyway. I'm so confusing right now tbh, don't even know where and what to discuss about this.

On September 07 2011 16:21 Disagea wrote:
Just make it so OC don't start with 50 energy when finished? would stop the early economic boost which seems to give terran so much mineral and would slow/weaken down the push, alternatively toss could try getting 5 sentries, rest stalkers and just perma ff the ramp of the terran (unless ramp is too big) to hold it off for as long as possible.

I'm making this suggestion after reading about 75 pages of this thread so yeah.. im open to suggestions

In regards to your proposed OC nerf [no starting energy], I feel that it would still be largely ineffective. The main limiting factor for this build is gas availability, and when they push out they already have enough spare minerals to pull most of their scvs. Additionally, it would limit other matchups significantly, since they rely upon the mineral boost from mules to get faster tech. If this is nerfed, it will inadvertently favour gasless builds.

On September 07 2011 17:34 Ninety-Three wrote:
Why are nerfs still being discussed? I thought we were supposed to be having constructive discussion here : /

On September 04 2011 22:45 aebriol wrote:

While I agree that Terran is really strong atm - and have been since release to be honest - I think it is a natural consequence of the race having the most options, and being the least scoutable.

Even if you scout something, some buildings lift off, and ... well, now you are going up against something completely different.

I mean ... if you scout a factory making a tech lab does that mean:
- blue flame hellions?
- tanks?
- banshees because the starport is hidden?
- mass marine medivac play where the factory is making addons for the barracks?

... and so on.

I think that terrans have the easiest way to hide what they are doing, and change it into something unexpected.

Which is coincidentally why TvT is the longest, most versatile matchup, with the most different workable builds and cheese ... because there are so many variations that can go up against each other.

So imho, 1-1-1 isn't the big problem.

The big problem is the versatility of 1 base terrans ability to all in through a multiple of builds, while you can never be sure that they didn't just expand behind it.

I think that making command centers unable to lift off would solve so many things ... because then you would know for a fact whether or not the terran is expanding ... much like you do with P and Z.

And that's the only thing that is making the all ins so powerful to be honest ... you can't know whether or not terran is expanding or not.

On September 04 2011 20:45 TumbaStarcraft wrote:
The issue has been around for a while, so I don't understand why this is so complicated?

1.) Someone finds a counter to the 111, that's fine. To someone that is on a basic level great. But how about the builds that the "counter" now leave you susceptible to? You can't scout after wall off, and obs gets there too late.

2.) The effect on the ladder. PvT on Xel'Naga has become a joke. The game is supposed to be fun, the 111 is a thorn in the side of ladder play and good sportsmanship. The Terran is berated verbally for using a strat. that works, and the Toss needs PERFECT control which most lower league players don't have. Either way it doesn't foster good games or good relations.

I understand the game should be balanced for the top 1% (the Pros) and I agree with this, but if Kiwikaki, MC, Puzzle, and the likes can't win against a build order, what makes Blizzard think a NA mid league player can?

Perception is king. Sometimes whether something is true or isn't doesn't matter based on perception. When the perception is the 111 isn't balanced and the fact may be the 111 isn't balanced then I expect Blizzard intends to remedy that.

At the end of the day better communication from Blizzard would help with the balance debates immensely. If they would just put all the cards on the table so to speak and communicate better then I can assure you less rage would ensue. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't anyhow I guess.

One thing about it, nobody can deny that Terran results are really great right now. NASL season 1, IEM, MLGS, most recent code A and of the 4 final players in Code S three are Terran. While I don't put a ton of stock into tournament results for balance it's getting a bit hard to ignore. The question is how much of those victories were derived from 111 along the way? I don't want to take away from any of the brilliant play of the Terrans either! There is a point however where you must start to question.

I have heard many Terrans agree this build may be too strong. And it has been that way for a while. So if the perception from pros to Joe's is IMBA then I'm certain blizzard has a fix incoming.

On September 08 2011 07:20 Hider wrote:


Yeh its too strong. But terran foreigners dont do well actually. Terran only seem to do very well in korea.

On September 08 2011 07:20 Hider wrote:
Yeh its too strong. But terran foreigners dont do well actually. Terran only seem to do very well in korea.