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Tokadub
Profile Joined August 2010
United States168 Posts
August 28 2011 03:58 GMT
#2601
All I hear is a bunch of whiny protoss who never played this build from the terrans perspective. Sure I win about 80-90% of the time with 1/1/1 against protoss. But it is stoppable and I'm trying to tell you how to do it.
Kewlots
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia534 Posts
August 28 2011 04:00 GMT
#2602
On August 28 2011 12:50 Tokadub wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 12:40 rpgalon wrote:
On August 28 2011 12:06 Tokadub wrote:
I just can't take protoss complaints about all ins seriously considering almost every master league protoss I play on the NA ladder either does a 4 gate or a 3 gate/stargate all in. They generally all cut probe production, have low apm, and clearly abuse powerful protoss all ins as the only way they are in master league.

And a 4 gate you pretty much just attack move and maybe throw down a gaurdian shield and force fields... I would argue this is even an easier build to execute then the 1/1/1.

Sure the 1/1/1 is powerful but it is definitely stoppable, protoss just apparently haven't figured it out yet as Kiwi clearly demonstrated in his unbelievably bad defense that game.


you should not be losing to 4 gates....

anyway, they are true all ins that can be hard countered if scouted

1/1/1 has proved to be very effective even if scouted, and it is not an all in


It absolutely is an all in if the attack fails the terran pretty much lost.



tell MC that LOL
gl hf gg
Kewlots
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia534 Posts
August 28 2011 04:00 GMT
#2603
Tokadub your probs bronze
gl hf gg
kheldorin
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore539 Posts
August 28 2011 04:03 GMT
#2604
On August 28 2011 12:50 Tokadub wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 12:40 rpgalon wrote:
On August 28 2011 12:06 Tokadub wrote:
I just can't take protoss complaints about all ins seriously considering almost every master league protoss I play on the NA ladder either does a 4 gate or a 3 gate/stargate all in. They generally all cut probe production, have low apm, and clearly abuse powerful protoss all ins as the only way they are in master league.

And a 4 gate you pretty much just attack move and maybe throw down a gaurdian shield and force fields... I would argue this is even an easier build to execute then the 1/1/1.

Sure the 1/1/1 is powerful but it is definitely stoppable, protoss just apparently haven't figured it out yet as Kiwi clearly demonstrated in his unbelievably bad defense that game.


you should not be losing to 4 gates....

anyway, they are true all ins that can be hard countered if scouted

1/1/1 has proved to be very effective even if scouted, and it is not an all in


It absolutely is an all in if the attack fails the terran pretty much lost.


Except when MC had double the worker lead and still lost to the second wave. Seriously, if you haven't watched the past 10 games where the 1/1/1 has been executed, don't bother discussing it.

All the other all-ins you mentioned can be countered if scouted. This all-in is extremely difficult to hold even if blind countered.

Why bother theorycrafting? It has a 90% winrate and I'm including the botched Terran 1/1/1. I really don't understand why there is a huge disconnect between Korean fans who knows it is imba and the foreigner fans who just turn a blind eye on the mounting evidence.
Tokadub
Profile Joined August 2010
United States168 Posts
August 28 2011 04:05 GMT
#2605
Ya actually I am and have been a Master in every division for every season. I have played all races, and can play them all easily at a master level 1v1.

I don't understand why people are hating. I'm actually giving you very good advice and if you don't understand what I'm saying then it is you that actually has a faulty understanding of this game...
kheldorin
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore539 Posts
August 28 2011 04:05 GMT
#2606
On August 28 2011 12:58 Tokadub wrote:
All I hear is a bunch of whiny protoss who never played this build from the terrans perspective. Sure I win about 80-90% of the time with 1/1/1 against protoss. But it is stoppable and I'm trying to tell you how to do it.


I believe that Tokadub's 1/1/1 is stoppable. Happy?

But I believe that Korean 1/1/1 is imba and the stats prove it.
Leoneri
Profile Joined July 2010
United States67 Posts
August 28 2011 04:05 GMT
#2607
On August 28 2011 12:58 Tokadub wrote:
All I hear is a bunch of whiny protoss who never played this build from the terrans perspective. Sure I win about 80-90% of the time with 1/1/1 against protoss. But it is stoppable and I'm trying to tell you how to do it.

Obviously you know better than KiWiKaKi and oGsMC, so go on, tell us.
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
August 28 2011 04:11 GMT
#2608
On August 28 2011 13:05 Tokadub wrote:
Ya actually I am and have been a Master in every division for every season. I have played all races, and can play them all easily at a master level 1v1.

I don't understand why people are hating. I'm actually giving you very good advice and if you don't understand what I'm saying then it is you that actually has a faulty understanding of this game...

master isn't an achievement
Leoneri
Profile Joined July 2010
United States67 Posts
August 28 2011 04:13 GMT
#2609
On August 28 2011 13:11 ReignFayth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 13:05 Tokadub wrote:
Ya actually I am and have been a Master in every division for every season. I have played all races, and can play them all easily at a master level 1v1.

I don't understand why people are hating. I'm actually giving you very good advice and if you don't understand what I'm saying then it is you that actually has a faulty understanding of this game...

master isn't an achievement


Shouldn't you be a highlighted poster?
BlueyD
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada437 Posts
August 28 2011 04:13 GMT
#2610
On August 28 2011 13:11 ReignFayth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 13:05 Tokadub wrote:
Ya actually I am and have been a Master in every division for every season. I have played all races, and can play them all easily at a master level 1v1.

I don't understand why people are hating. I'm actually giving you very good advice and if you don't understand what I'm saying then it is you that actually has a faulty understanding of this game...

master isn't an achievement


I think it is an achievement if you seriously think lifting tanks with phoenixes when there are 30 marines under them is a good idea, and you still manage to get into masters.
Zealot Chaaaaarge!
JediGamer
Profile Joined August 2010
United States656 Posts
August 28 2011 04:14 GMT
#2611
This thread reminds me of the Joyo tvp build that everyone was crying about until they found out how to hold it. Which was by microing well, which masters protoss's and zerg's tend to get away with never having to work on micro due to easy abilities and a click armys.
http://www.z33k.com/starcraft2/coach/sc2coaching Tastosis Approved Coaching
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
August 28 2011 04:16 GMT
#2612
On August 28 2011 13:13 Leoneri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 13:11 ReignFayth wrote:
On August 28 2011 13:05 Tokadub wrote:
Ya actually I am and have been a Master in every division for every season. I have played all races, and can play them all easily at a master level 1v1.

I don't understand why people are hating. I'm actually giving you very good advice and if you don't understand what I'm saying then it is you that actually has a faulty understanding of this game...

master isn't an achievement


Shouldn't you be a highlighted poster?

what's a highlighted poster lol
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
August 28 2011 04:17 GMT
#2613
On August 28 2011 13:14 JediGamer wrote:
This thread reminds me of the Joyo tvp build that everyone was crying about until they found out how to hold it. Which was by microing well, which masters protoss's and zerg's tend to get away with never having to work on micro due to easy abilities and a click armys.

yeah ok kiwi never micro and only a moves

............

yeeeeeaaaaaaaah
dooraven
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2820 Posts
August 28 2011 04:20 GMT
#2614
On August 28 2011 13:17 ReignFayth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 13:14 JediGamer wrote:
This thread reminds me of the Joyo tvp build that everyone was crying about until they found out how to hold it. Which was by microing well, which masters protoss's and zerg's tend to get away with never having to work on micro due to easy abilities and a click armys.

yeah ok kiwi never micro and only a moves

............

yeeeeeaaaaaaaah


Has he actually managed to hold this in practice against artist?
Go go Alliance.
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-28 04:22:21
August 28 2011 04:21 GMT
#2615
On August 28 2011 13:20 dooraven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 13:17 ReignFayth wrote:
On August 28 2011 13:14 JediGamer wrote:
This thread reminds me of the Joyo tvp build that everyone was crying about until they found out how to hold it. Which was by microing well, which masters protoss's and zerg's tend to get away with never having to work on micro due to easy abilities and a click armys.

yeah ok kiwi never micro and only a moves

............

yeeeeeaaaaaaaah


Has he actually managed to hold this in practice against artist?

I have no idea but i'm guessing he did, it really does seem like you could hold if the terran makes some kind of mistake

I went pretty much inactive before artist joined, hence why I dunno about his practice games
Leoneri
Profile Joined July 2010
United States67 Posts
August 28 2011 04:22 GMT
#2616
On August 28 2011 13:16 ReignFayth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 13:13 Leoneri wrote:
On August 28 2011 13:11 ReignFayth wrote:
On August 28 2011 13:05 Tokadub wrote:
Ya actually I am and have been a Master in every division for every season. I have played all races, and can play them all easily at a master level 1v1.

I don't understand why people are hating. I'm actually giving you very good advice and if you don't understand what I'm saying then it is you that actually has a faulty understanding of this game...

master isn't an achievement


Shouldn't you be a highlighted poster?

what's a highlighted poster lol

Hmm. I thought TL had implemented a feature where pro player's names were highlighted so people didn't have to scroll through pages and pages checking each name to find somebody's opinion that actually meant something.
laharl23
Profile Joined February 2011
United States582 Posts
August 28 2011 04:22 GMT
#2617
On August 28 2011 12:58 Tokadub wrote:
All I hear is a bunch of whiny protoss who never played this build from the terrans perspective. Sure I win about 80-90% of the time with 1/1/1 against protoss. But it is stoppable and I'm trying to tell you how to do it.


"i win 80-90% of the time with this build, but its not imba guys you can stop it"

what lol
imareaver3
Profile Joined June 2010
United States906 Posts
August 28 2011 04:25 GMT
#2618
On August 28 2011 13:13 Leoneri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 13:11 ReignFayth wrote:
On August 28 2011 13:05 Tokadub wrote:
Ya actually I am and have been a Master in every division for every season. I have played all races, and can play them all easily at a master level 1v1.

I don't understand why people are hating. I'm actually giving you very good advice and if you don't understand what I'm saying then it is you that actually has a faulty understanding of this game...

master isn't an achievement


Shouldn't you be a highlighted poster?



No such thing in SC2general, only in the strat forum.
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
August 28 2011 04:25 GMT
#2619
On August 28 2011 13:22 Leoneri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2011 13:16 ReignFayth wrote:
On August 28 2011 13:13 Leoneri wrote:
On August 28 2011 13:11 ReignFayth wrote:
On August 28 2011 13:05 Tokadub wrote:
Ya actually I am and have been a Master in every division for every season. I have played all races, and can play them all easily at a master level 1v1.

I don't understand why people are hating. I'm actually giving you very good advice and if you don't understand what I'm saying then it is you that actually has a faulty understanding of this game...

master isn't an achievement


Shouldn't you be a highlighted poster?

what's a highlighted poster lol

Hmm. I thought TL had implemented a feature where pro player's names were highlighted so people didn't have to scroll through pages and pages checking each name to find somebody's opinion that actually meant something.

oh I think these players are those who participate a lot in the strategy section so they get highlighted, such as minigun right?
sekritzzz
Profile Joined December 2010
1515 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-28 04:28:33
August 28 2011 04:27 GMT
#2620
On August 28 2011 13:14 JediGamer wrote:
This thread reminds me of the Joyo tvp build that everyone was crying about until they found out how to hold it. Which was by microing well, which masters protoss's and zerg's tend to get away with never having to work on micro due to easy abilities and a click armys.

Ok provide us with a replay of you holding a decently executed 1/1/1 then micro pro. Follow that up by teaching MC and Kiwikaki how to micro.


If you havent noticed, no amount of micro saves you from the dps output of Marines/tanks/banshees which are pretty much 3 of the best units in terms of cost-efficiency and DPS vs some of the worst DPS units like stalkers/sentries and zealots which rarely get a hit off before dying.
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