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On August 17 2011 20:21 The Iron Duke wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 19:33 Horseballs wrote:On August 17 2011 19:10 The Iron Duke wrote:On August 17 2011 18:54 Horseballs wrote:On August 17 2011 18:50 The Iron Duke wrote:
I see near the start of the thread people saying how players done gg much anymore. I see that as a good thing a gg means good game it should be said after a good game not after a bad one, if you think it was bad then dont gg, just leave or what ever you feel like doing.
No, it doesn't. GG is a sign of sportsmanship, not a declaration of your opinion of how the game went. no...GG stands for good game...google it...i am sure it will come up, and guess what those words should mean what they say..if not its just silly Yes, technically the "gg" stands for "good game" but the sentiment isn't descriptive by any means, and to think so is just foolish Well i think good sportsmanship is shown by good manner and like i said before it is shown at the start of the game.
I think its folly to assume, that gg should not be something that describes the game main when said after it is over.The fact people take gg and put this assumption on it i see as so very silly, simply because this is just how some(and obv i have no way of knowing the %) view it as a sportsmanship and to not put it is bad manner. assuming something and then applying it so general is just not correct which obv not every one agree's on. Also a lot of this reply goes towards the others who replied to my post. taking something as idiom when not every one feels the same way just isn't correct. (sorry for any bad spelling or grammer, my dyselxcia gets the best of me >.< )
I think you should wiki sportsmanship.
and also see my above post
On August 17 2011 19:59 DusTerr wrote:
I played a lot of team sports growing up, and after EVERY game, you'd slap hands and say "good game" (regardless of how the game played out).
Maybe this is just because I was introduced to sportsmanship from an early age, but I used the term "good game" irl BEFORE it was shortened to "GG" online.
TL:DR - "good game" in terms of sportsmanship has never intended to mean "you played well".
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On August 17 2011 20:52 Penke wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 20:00 Flowjo wrote:On August 17 2011 19:10 The Iron Duke wrote:On August 17 2011 18:54 Horseballs wrote:On August 17 2011 18:50 The Iron Duke wrote:
I see near the start of the thread people saying how players done gg much anymore. I see that as a good thing a gg means good game it should be said after a good game not after a bad one, if you think it was bad then dont gg, just leave or what ever you feel like doing.
No, it doesn't. GG is a sign of sportsmanship, not a declaration of your opinion of how the game went. no...GG stands for good game...google it...i am sure it will come up, and guess what those words should mean what they say..if not its just silly good sportsmanship it saying hf gl, anything past that is not needed, thats just a fact. Its just silly to think some one should say good game if you they got rushed, they are annoyed about it and didnt have any fun and feel it just wasnt good. If you go in to a game hoping for a nice maco game and you get it then its good, if you want a 2 bases scrap and you get its good, if you dont get what you want then to you its not good so no need to say good game. so you basically never gg I completely understand what you mean, Iron Duke, but I think GG or good game actually originates from ordinary sports such as football or the like. I've played football for quite a while and no matter if you think the other team played very bad, was very lucky, did not show good sportsmanship or if the game was overall bad, you always shake hands after the game and say good game. This has nothing at all to do with how you actually feel aboutthe game or the other team, it's jst a traditional way to show good sportsmanship and respect for the other team.
Dont worry that did come to my mind, about the hand shaking in football and i have had stuff like that when i have played football but also when shaking hands you tend to talk about the game. Like when you think they got a lucky goal, you tend to say it, obv not in a condescension way but more as a light hearted comment on the game.
Which is kind of where i come in with gg with me seeing that as the commenting on the game, i would say good sportsmanship is shown when players leave when its obv its over, you no dont do the flying buildings around and throwing pylons around the map.
Basily what i am trying to get at is there should not be a need for the gg and that we all should take other things as signs of good sportsmanship and not expect a gg or else its just bad manner.
@Flowjo, thank you for contributing. you have helped further this thread in so many ways. want a reply pack to see ?(protoss plat here , i am bet your dying for it)
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I would actually think that the big publicity combatex is getting with his stream and videos is having a big influence on why the ladder is so bm atm.
I really wish I could be a good manner player, but I just get mad when I lose its how I am as a person. Maybe im a hypocrite, but its the same answer idra gives.
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Every once in a while I've had someone kind of sort of good manner me. I held off a 4 warpgste rush then courted attacked and win and his response was "wow" "gg". I'd say that's a compliment.
Another time I was in a tense zergling vs zealot sentry battle when he killed off all my stuff, but then 3 voidrays show up so he says "oh" "gg". I'd say that's a compliment too.
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People should stop to confuse saying (or not) GG with good manner. It's just some stupid habit that some people think of as the most important ritual of good sportsmanship - which, at least IMO, is absolutely ridiculous.
Telling your oponent to go fuck himself == bad manner.
Leaving the game without GG == NO bad manner.
Actually it's that easy.
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On August 17 2011 21:08 DusTerr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 20:21 The Iron Duke wrote:On August 17 2011 19:33 Horseballs wrote:On August 17 2011 19:10 The Iron Duke wrote:On August 17 2011 18:54 Horseballs wrote:On August 17 2011 18:50 The Iron Duke wrote:
I see near the start of the thread people saying how players done gg much anymore. I see that as a good thing a gg means good game it should be said after a good game not after a bad one, if you think it was bad then dont gg, just leave or what ever you feel like doing.
No, it doesn't. GG is a sign of sportsmanship, not a declaration of your opinion of how the game went. no...GG stands for good game...google it...i am sure it will come up, and guess what those words should mean what they say..if not its just silly Yes, technically the "gg" stands for "good game" but the sentiment isn't descriptive by any means, and to think so is just foolish Well i think good sportsmanship is shown by good manner and like i said before it is shown at the start of the game.
I think its folly to assume, that gg should not be something that describes the game main when said after it is over.The fact people take gg and put this assumption on it i see as so very silly, simply because this is just how some(and obv i have no way of knowing the %) view it as a sportsmanship and to not put it is bad manner. assuming something and then applying it so general is just not correct which obv not every one agree's on. Also a lot of this reply goes towards the others who replied to my post. taking something as idiom when not every one feels the same way just isn't correct. (sorry for any bad spelling or grammer, my dyselxcia gets the best of me >.< ) I think you should wiki sportsmanship. and also see my above post Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 19:59 DusTerr wrote:
I played a lot of team sports growing up, and after EVERY game, you'd slap hands and say "good game" (regardless of how the game played out).
Maybe this is just because I was introduced to sportsmanship from an early age, but I used the term " good game" irl BEFORE it was shortened to "GG" online. TL:DR - "good game" in terms of sportsmanship has never intended to mean "you played well".
I would point out that to apply what is relvent in sports and apply it to online gaming does not make it a show of sportsmanship just because such a thing is done else where. In something which is so global, which means containing lots of different kind of people, cultures and so that apply what happens at the end of some football match(or what ever other sport you choose to for take in) is just not correct. Because some one does not say gg to me, does not mean i think they are not showing me good sportsmanship and yes i do see how its not the strongest point to discredit your view by saying look at the wider picture and then follow it up with a personal view based of my expenises(sp).
But this is about options and i stand by mine.
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While I agree ladder is overly BM at the moment, i think what ladder needs more is less messaging after the game discussing why you won or lost, not every game needs your expert platinum level input on the game, just re queue and shut up.
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I'm fair mannered if people want to talk, or do standard "glhf." If someone gg's me and I won, I'll say it back. However, when I lose I hardly ever say it. It's mainly due to me being pissed at myself for whatever I screwed up, and generally not because the opponent beat me. For those games that go mid to late and there are nice exchanges and such, I'll usually gg.
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Just watch White Ra. Even after losing to 6 rax, or some other unbelievably cheesy players he leaves by saying "wp, gg". Most amazing of all is that he means it 
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When I ladder (Top Diamond Zerg trying to go to master), I always blame my lose on myself, and congratulate my opponent, or at least gg.
It is my fault if I wasn't able to scout this stupid fucking no skilled all in, I should have ....
I get pissed at myself, but in a constructive way I think, and more importantly, I never blame it and almost always gives a gg.
Ladder is pretty bm atm, some low master player wished me to die and my mother as well, after I pushed back a dual port banshee.... weird.
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Ah, decided to take a game and try and be sick manner.
Started out very friendly, said good luck have fun (and implemented the guy's name)
But at the end, I kinda won, and when he said gg, I panicked and hurried to write back, and it turned out something like
324 omg gg, awesome rushhh
and after the match he whisperd "prick"
Tried explaining I tried being good manner and I ment it, but he said I was a moron, and that his rush failed miserably, so it wasn't awesome, then I got ignored...
But I won't toss in the towel that easily, I'll try again!!
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I played against some Rank 26 Master Terran. He only made Marines and a few Medivacs. After finally killing him I told him that Marines are good.
He agreed and left the game.
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I'm afraid I could work on my post game manners too. Most of the time I have no problem with how I lose, but I'm so annoyed at myself for cocking something up that I either leave out of frustration or leave due to some stupid tactic I didn't see coming.
And then sometimes I'm just an arse. Most of it's just frustration at not being able to break someone's base or worse, dealing with my personal bane which is turtling terrans. For some reason I see a seige tank at the top of a ramp and my brain turns off.
Not proud of it 
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On August 17 2011 21:18 The Iron Duke wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 21:08 DusTerr wrote:On August 17 2011 20:21 The Iron Duke wrote:On August 17 2011 19:33 Horseballs wrote:On August 17 2011 19:10 The Iron Duke wrote:On August 17 2011 18:54 Horseballs wrote:On August 17 2011 18:50 The Iron Duke wrote:
I see near the start of the thread people saying how players done gg much anymore. I see that as a good thing a gg means good game it should be said after a good game not after a bad one, if you think it was bad then dont gg, just leave or what ever you feel like doing.
No, it doesn't. GG is a sign of sportsmanship, not a declaration of your opinion of how the game went. no...GG stands for good game...google it...i am sure it will come up, and guess what those words should mean what they say..if not its just silly Yes, technically the "gg" stands for "good game" but the sentiment isn't descriptive by any means, and to think so is just foolish Well i think good sportsmanship is shown by good manner and like i said before it is shown at the start of the game.
I think its folly to assume, that gg should not be something that describes the game main when said after it is over.The fact people take gg and put this assumption on it i see as so very silly, simply because this is just how some(and obv i have no way of knowing the %) view it as a sportsmanship and to not put it is bad manner. assuming something and then applying it so general is just not correct which obv not every one agree's on. Also a lot of this reply goes towards the others who replied to my post. taking something as idiom when not every one feels the same way just isn't correct. (sorry for any bad spelling or grammer, my dyselxcia gets the best of me >.< ) I think you should wiki sportsmanship. and also see my above post On August 17 2011 19:59 DusTerr wrote:
I played a lot of team sports growing up, and after EVERY game, you'd slap hands and say "good game" (regardless of how the game played out).
Maybe this is just because I was introduced to sportsmanship from an early age, but I used the term " good game" irl BEFORE it was shortened to "GG" online. TL:DR - "good game" in terms of sportsmanship has never intended to mean "you played well". I would point out that to apply what is relvent in sports and apply it to online gaming does not make it a show of sportsmanship just because such a thing is done else where. In something which is so global, which means containing lots of different kind of people, cultures and so that apply what happens at the end of some football match(or what ever other sport you choose to for take in) is just not correct. Because some one does not say gg to me, does not mean i think they are not showing me good sportsmanship and yes i do see how its not the strongest point to discredit your view by saying look at the wider picture and then follow it up with a personal view based of my expenises(sp). But this is about options and i stand by mine.
Football (soccer) is more global than online gaming and the rules of sportsmanship apply...
Although I find not saying gg to be poor sportsmanship (as it would be irl) I don't find it to be bm - especially compared to the other bm out there!
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On August 17 2011 21:38 DusTerr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 21:18 The Iron Duke wrote:On August 17 2011 21:08 DusTerr wrote:On August 17 2011 20:21 The Iron Duke wrote:On August 17 2011 19:33 Horseballs wrote:On August 17 2011 19:10 The Iron Duke wrote:On August 17 2011 18:54 Horseballs wrote:On August 17 2011 18:50 The Iron Duke wrote:
I see near the start of the thread people saying how players done gg much anymore. I see that as a good thing a gg means good game it should be said after a good game not after a bad one, if you think it was bad then dont gg, just leave or what ever you feel like doing.
No, it doesn't. GG is a sign of sportsmanship, not a declaration of your opinion of how the game went. no...GG stands for good game...google it...i am sure it will come up, and guess what those words should mean what they say..if not its just silly Yes, technically the "gg" stands for "good game" but the sentiment isn't descriptive by any means, and to think so is just foolish Well i think good sportsmanship is shown by good manner and like i said before it is shown at the start of the game.
I think its folly to assume, that gg should not be something that describes the game main when said after it is over.The fact people take gg and put this assumption on it i see as so very silly, simply because this is just how some(and obv i have no way of knowing the %) view it as a sportsmanship and to not put it is bad manner. assuming something and then applying it so general is just not correct which obv not every one agree's on. Also a lot of this reply goes towards the others who replied to my post. taking something as idiom when not every one feels the same way just isn't correct. (sorry for any bad spelling or grammer, my dyselxcia gets the best of me >.< ) I think you should wiki sportsmanship. and also see my above post On August 17 2011 19:59 DusTerr wrote:
I played a lot of team sports growing up, and after EVERY game, you'd slap hands and say "good game" (regardless of how the game played out).
Maybe this is just because I was introduced to sportsmanship from an early age, but I used the term " good game" irl BEFORE it was shortened to "GG" online. TL:DR - "good game" in terms of sportsmanship has never intended to mean "you played well". I would point out that to apply what is relvent in sports and apply it to online gaming does not make it a show of sportsmanship just because such a thing is done else where. In something which is so global, which means containing lots of different kind of people, cultures and so that apply what happens at the end of some football match(or what ever other sport you choose to for take in) is just not correct. Because some one does not say gg to me, does not mean i think they are not showing me good sportsmanship and yes i do see how its not the strongest point to discredit your view by saying look at the wider picture and then follow it up with a personal view based of my expenises(sp). But this is about options and i stand by mine. Football (soccer) is more global than online gaming and the rules of sportsmanship apply... Although I find not saying gg to be poor sportsmanship (as it would be irl) I don't find it to be bm - especially compared to the other bm out there!
I think it would be very wrong to say that you can no as i also cant know that all around the globe, they show sportsmanship by saying good game to each other at the end of the game. As well i am not sure the number of people playing football out numbers the amount of people who play games online in some form. but i dont have the numbers so i am not going to pretend to know.
But also its bigger globaly in the sense that it gets more different kind of people taking part in it compared to football where most of the time you have to be fit or atlest some what able for active running. while for gaming you have less restrictions to take part. Not what i meant by it when i said global but comparing it just to football then i think i will add that in as my original statement i mean for a more general sports.
hope that makes sense
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On August 17 2011 11:38 TheRageKage12 wrote:Hi Everyone, I had an epiphany the other day. So many people bad manners on ladder after they lose, but nobody good manners. I guess it makes sense, it is easier to yell and blame someone for beating you than it is to accept that they played better. So, in an effort to make the ladder a better place, I've decided to end every game I lose with some good manner for my opponent. Thus far, I have 6 instances of good manner: + Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +Replays: http://www.mediafire.com/?drqka1kc3volxt1Furthermore, I've found myself much more willing to go back and see how I lost after complementing my opponent on a job well done. That might just be a coincidence (or maybe I'm weird). NOTE: Some players may become confused and frightened at the sight of such a rare occurrence of good manner. If they do begin to lash out, calmly explain to them that you meant your complements and that you most definitely aren't trolling. :D
I really like this.
I think it will actually help you become a better player too. If you accept that your opponent might have played well, you can easily keep a positive attitude, calmly watch the replay, and try to play even better than him. (It does not matter whether either of you was great by whatever standards you usually apply, merely having a positive mindset makes a huge difference.)
If you ragequit and/or BM when losing, you're not in a mindset that is conducive to learning about your mistakes, your strengths, and how to reduce the former and make best use of the latter. You can learn while angry, but it's inefficient and a waste of energy, time, and you lose out on having fun.
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I reckon what the OP is doing is positive and I encourage him to continue on doing it and hopefully improve. In every game I make an effort to type gl hf and gg when I lose. Having a positive approach helps develop character and improvement as a player.
Keep it up!
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i absolutely allways "gl hf" at the beginning of the match. I think just that creates a little "bond" that cuts on at least some of the future bm.
i never cheeze, and when somebody complaints about (ie) me baneling busting them, no matter how offensive they are i just explain like... "i didn't do it blindly, i scouted you being way too greedy, and that is the correct way of punishing you for it".
It sometimes ends the agresiveness right there. They are angry that you supposedly just followed some buildorder you had in mind from before the game was even started, getting you a "free win".
BM to BM is like invading afghanistan to end terrorism.
Being "nice" no matter what ends BM 99% of the time. You take the fun away from the aggressor, and so it is not interesting anymore.
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On August 17 2011 21:46 The Iron Duke wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 21:38 DusTerr wrote:On August 17 2011 21:18 The Iron Duke wrote:On August 17 2011 21:08 DusTerr wrote:On August 17 2011 20:21 The Iron Duke wrote:On August 17 2011 19:33 Horseballs wrote:On August 17 2011 19:10 The Iron Duke wrote:On August 17 2011 18:54 Horseballs wrote:On August 17 2011 18:50 The Iron Duke wrote:
I see near the start of the thread people saying how players done gg much anymore. I see that as a good thing a gg means good game it should be said after a good game not after a bad one, if you think it was bad then dont gg, just leave or what ever you feel like doing.
No, it doesn't. GG is a sign of sportsmanship, not a declaration of your opinion of how the game went. no...GG stands for good game...google it...i am sure it will come up, and guess what those words should mean what they say..if not its just silly Yes, technically the "gg" stands for "good game" but the sentiment isn't descriptive by any means, and to think so is just foolish Well i think good sportsmanship is shown by good manner and like i said before it is shown at the start of the game.
I think its folly to assume, that gg should not be something that describes the game main when said after it is over.The fact people take gg and put this assumption on it i see as so very silly, simply because this is just how some(and obv i have no way of knowing the %) view it as a sportsmanship and to not put it is bad manner. assuming something and then applying it so general is just not correct which obv not every one agree's on. Also a lot of this reply goes towards the others who replied to my post. taking something as idiom when not every one feels the same way just isn't correct. (sorry for any bad spelling or grammer, my dyselxcia gets the best of me >.< ) I think you should wiki sportsmanship. and also see my above post On August 17 2011 19:59 DusTerr wrote:
I played a lot of team sports growing up, and after EVERY game, you'd slap hands and say "good game" (regardless of how the game played out).
Maybe this is just because I was introduced to sportsmanship from an early age, but I used the term " good game" irl BEFORE it was shortened to "GG" online. TL:DR - "good game" in terms of sportsmanship has never intended to mean "you played well". I would point out that to apply what is relvent in sports and apply it to online gaming does not make it a show of sportsmanship just because such a thing is done else where. In something which is so global, which means containing lots of different kind of people, cultures and so that apply what happens at the end of some football match(or what ever other sport you choose to for take in) is just not correct. Because some one does not say gg to me, does not mean i think they are not showing me good sportsmanship and yes i do see how its not the strongest point to discredit your view by saying look at the wider picture and then follow it up with a personal view based of my expenises(sp). But this is about options and i stand by mine. Football (soccer) is more global than online gaming and the rules of sportsmanship apply... Although I find not saying gg to be poor sportsmanship (as it would be irl) I don't find it to be bm - especially compared to the other bm out there! I think it would be very wrong to say that you can no as i also cant know that all around the globe, they show sportsmanship by saying good game to each other at the end of the game. As well i am not sure the number of people playing football out numbers the amount of people who play games online in some form. but i dont have the numbers so i am not going to pretend to know. But also its bigger globaly in the sense that it gets more different kind of people taking part in it compared to football where most of the time you have to be fit or atlest some what able for active running. while for gaming you have less restrictions to take part. Not what i meant by it when i said global but comparing it just to football then i think i will add that in as my original statement i mean for a more general sports. hope that makes sense
my senior year of high school they changed the rule so you would say goodluck/good game at the beginning of the game instead of the end for soccer. Why? Because there were too many fights breaking out after games when teams would line up to say "good game". People don't like to give props to a team they just lost too. Whether it was a close game or you got killed, your usually pissed and want nothing to do with the team that just beat you. Same logic applies here.
Personally i never talk or gg on the ladder. Not worth it. The kids that say gl hf are the same ones that rage when they lose. During a tourny or a clan war however it is definitely important to be manner.
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ggwp is about all I would send if I was trying to be well mannered. I think it is good that there is at least one person showing off good manner on the battle net ladder.
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