It takes a certain kind of mental fortitude to gg against allins or in games where you lose where it wasn't a good game but you did a dumb mistake and lost because of it.

One which I do not have I might add.

Theovide

Sweden914 Posts

August 17 2011 13:40 GMT

#183

On August 17 2011 15:04 SichuanPanda wrote:

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No desire to improve when I've been better than my opponents for ages. I didn't say I lose to all-ins and cheeses, I said its a boring way to play pretty simple what I said. Not sure how you could misinterpret it. I don't need to improve as a player I'm quite good enough already. I play this game for fun, and facing people who get a hard on for a win and do everything they can to get it with no shame for how little skill their build takes, or how far below 50% they have to go to get their points up is without a doubt not fun at all. Or do you think its fun to have someone A-move into your base and if you don't have a 200+ APM defense and a perfect force field (I play Protoss) you instantly lose? I guess you must.

Actually I think Fission is 100% correct. First of all, really all allins are quite easily defendable if you just know how, and see them coming (scouting). At least easy defendable in that way that's it's easy to make it so that it becomes a micro battle (ie if you got perfect forcefields and 200 apm he will need perfect micro aswell to finish you off, if you have responded approprietely to his all in). Also I doubt you'd been better than your opponents for ages, as that's basically impossible with the matchmaking system, unless you've played so few matches that you actually aren't matched against even opponents yet (or if you are the best player on your entire ladder, and then should be rank 1 GM).

What I'm trying to say is that you don't have to play the russian roullette even if they do, if you play a solid game with good scouting it will never end up with a russian roullette for you, and you'd even start hoping for people to cheese you because you are so solid against that.

Personally for example, I think I got a way better winratio vs those who allin me than vs people who play standrad or greedy, simply because I choose builds where none playing russian roullette will have an easy time beating me. (Which does put me slightly behind people who play the reverse russian, IE greedy builds, but only slightly and that advantage I can remove with good play).

Malks

United Kingdom94 Posts

August 17 2011 14:00 GMT

#184

I still maintain that good manners are very important, especially when faced with the anonymous aspect of the Internet. BMing someone makes both people angry to some degree, especially if the BMer is the winner.

Good manners on the other hand make both parties feel better about the game, as long as you don't come over as sarcastic, that can't be a bad thing.

Good idea on doing this, and its interesting that you say you are more willing to look into your replays after being well mannered, I may have to start doing the same thing, more than just 'gg wp'

panamared

United States25 Posts

August 17 2011 14:16 GMT

#185

depending on how well they execute their strategy i give them compliments on their build. but i really hate when they just tell you, your race is op when you tell them how well they played. its weird

TSM

Great Britain584 Posts

August 17 2011 14:29 GMT

#186

could be misunderstood as sarcasm sometimes

HptmAkira

Canada4 Posts

August 17 2011 14:29 GMT

#187

I try to GM as much as possible, at least GGing and such, but it is nice when you get into those little conversations post game reflecting about how everything went, even if I lost or won, GM seems to make everything more pleasent. Though I wont lie, a rage quit victory is pleasent as well hahah. Keep up the GM!

KaiserJohan

Sweden1808 Posts

August 17 2011 14:34 GMT

#188

If I saw that ingame I would definately think he was sarcastic, lol.

gulati

United States2241 Posts

August 17 2011 14:34 GMT

#189

I like your mannerism comments at the end. As for making you FEEL like watching the replays.. I guess I'll take your word on that. But I usually only watch replays and study them if I feel that my opponent legitly was a pro compared to me.

TheRageKage12

United States161 Posts

August 17 2011 14:42 GMT

#190

On August 17 2011 19:53 KazmA wrote:
Do you good manner every game or just the games that you feel like your opponent deserves the good manner?

I try to do it every game but there are probably some circumstances where I'd only be able to say gg, like if I screw up horrendously bad. For example, forgetting ling speed or upgrading air weapons instead of warp gate.

ShadowRocker

United States16 Posts

August 17 2011 14:44 GMT

#191

I will say I try to be good mannered, but when I lose I tend to be so mad at myself that I just leave in anger. I guess in my own way I'm giving gm by not giving BM. But ya, lashing out against someone who beat you just makes the other person think you are a noob. Every time someone BMs me the first thing that comes to mind is "noob", I really don't know why and I feel bad because I know its not the case that they are just venting.

Marokeas

Canada13 Posts

August 17 2011 14:45 GMT

#192

I think that this thread talks about being good mannered at the end of games that you lose can actually help make you a better player.
Quite the interesting read.

KezseN

Singapore1450 Posts

August 17 2011 14:46 GMT

#193

Put some screenshots of GM guys, lets spread ze love with pictures

noggster

Sweden37 Posts

August 17 2011 15:07 GMT

#194

I always gg, regardless of what dumb noskill cheese my opponent does to win, or how bad mannered he is, telling me to "leave noob" etc.

I used to get really angry losing to dumb shit, and some days I still do. But when you got a few games under your belt it doesn't really bother you anymore.
Alltho I'm getting kinda mad when I keep losing to a scouted 3 rax all-in, it's so hard to hold!

no gg no skill, noggster out!

enecateReAP

United Kingdom378 Posts

August 17 2011 15:09 GMT

#195

I used to say glhf sir at the beggining of games but 1/50 games someone would be manner in return, others either didn't reply or said something like "Im a woman", "Fuck you sir" or "glhf ma'am", so I reverted to just gl hf.

Tsuycc

Canada269 Posts

August 17 2011 15:09 GMT

#196

Man, saying "great timing" on a Marine/SCV all-in would make me cringe....props to you sir!

Josealtron

United States219 Posts

August 17 2011 15:10 GMT

#197

tbh, I don't see what's good mannered about lying. For example, I'm not gonna put "gg" if I got cannon rushed or 6 pooled because it wasn't a good game. I won't rage or BM unless I start getting bmed, but I don't see the point in saying "gg wp" when it was a terrible game and my opponent certainly didn't play well.

SLTR.Maverick

Canada142 Posts

August 17 2011 15:12 GMT

#198

I usually have pretty good manners on the ladder. Sometimes if I get cheesed like 3 or 4 times in a row I might bm a bit but then I usually say something like "my bad for the bm, gg wp" before I leave and any bm I may do is never a personal attack.

FoeHamr

United States489 Posts

August 17 2011 15:14 GMT

#199

I absolutely agree and I think that I will try and find something nice too say on the ladder from now on.

Equity213

Canada873 Posts

August 17 2011 15:15 GMT

#200

Good on you sir. People who BM when they lose are just taking their shame and turning it into anger so they dont have to face the fact that they lost because they made a mistake.

When you lose its because YOU fucked up.

Thats like poker players that blame calling stations for calling down their bluffs.