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On August 13 2011 12:19 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Nothing could be probably be done about it. Korean teams don't actually have enough money to send a bunch of players for "potential" prize money between taking care of the team house and providing living expenses for all their players. Even if you get to the ro16 you have to get to the ro8 and work hard for 2.5 months if you want to actually make any money. It's a big tournament that requires group play from all their players even if they have no chance to get to the finals, and it's just a big investment with little reward unless you place like top 4.
Not signing the contracts in the first place saying they were going to compete in season 2 and then waiting until this late to make demands/requests beyond what they agreed to and then proceed to pull out when they aren't met when they knew full well what the situation was before hand is definitely something that could have been done about it.
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On August 12 2011 15:55 Ocedic wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 15:46 Von wrote:
More power to NASL and the West. Nothing personal and no disrespect to the Koreans:
But we don't need them. The level of players here is sick. The games will still be great.
It's about time we stop referring to all non-Koreans in this game as 'foreigners'.
Why are people still using that term? It's 2011. They don't own this sport.
This news is a big step in the direction of stepping up and losing that tired label.
You sound like yotu have some serious issues. The irony is that people like you are the ones who are making thSis about race and nationality. The rest of us just want to see good games, which come from the best players. .
Noooo. Way to totally read way too deep into it.
It's a simple idea:
Stop kissing up to another area of the world and giving them the ownership of the sport.
They're better because - for whatever reason - it took off there a long time ago and became a legitimate sport - where full time sponsorships and practice allowed them to excel at it.
It's not because they're Asian lol. It has nothing to do with race, nationality, or 'issues'.
There are great players in the West. Going out of the way to pay the Koreans to come here, just because they have a head start on skill because of circumstances ...
... or because some kids are all star-struck and crushing on Korean gaming rock stars ...
Bahh. Its not necessary. Its not worth it. The sport will thrive here in time without them.
And now it is really coming off as ass kissing. Really? Paying their way? No
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i think you guys did all you could. oh well
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That really stinks... I would love to see more Koreans in the NASL, I find it odd that some of the Korean teams showed up for MLG Anaheim but cant afford to show for NASL...
MC, Boxer and and oGs w/ SK sponsorship cant show up... This season will not be entertaining.
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Slayers can still compete, right? So we can still get boxer, right?
But still pretty sad. I was looking forward to watch some of the top koreans play again, but oh well, we dont need them. I'm sure we'll see some great games either way.
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On August 13 2011 13:04 MadNeSs wrote:
Slayers can still compete, right? So we can still get boxer, right?
But still pretty sad. I was looking forward to watch some of the top koreans play again, but oh well, we dont need them. I'm sure we'll see some great games either way.
Nope. Boxer dropped out earlier for similar reasons, SlayerS would not be present.
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I still think NASL will be fun. We'll see how it turns out I guess. Hopefully some koreans can come back in the future as well.
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NASL could have acted more tactfully in this release (sounds whiny)
Korean's sound like whiny bitches, but I havn't done the math here
This is business, and they can;t be expected to do anything that is not worth their time (as time is money)
They must feel like the benefits of not attending NASL outweigh the costs of not attending.
Whether or not this is correct, I can respect them if they have done their due dilligence in determining if this is a worthwhile venture for them.
I bought a premium pass last season.
Will not be purchasing a pass this season (will probably not even watch at all this season)
I made this decision prior to this news release.
I would not have changed my mind because of this news release if I had initially intended to watch.
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On August 13 2011 12:46 Jynx wrote:
That really stinks... I would love to see more Koreans in the NASL, I find it odd that some of the Korean teams showed up for MLG Anaheim but cant afford to show for NASL...
MC, Boxer and and oGs w/ SK sponsorship cant show up... This season will not be entertaining.
Have we gotten confirmation on this yet? From the sound of the post it sounds like most likely no but it was asked at the beginning of the thread and NASL said they emailed SK inquiring about MC's eligiblity.
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On August 13 2011 12:02 XRaDiiX wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 11:57 whateverpeeps wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 13 2011 11:31 XRaDiiX wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 08:48 gregnog wrote:
This seems to be a calculated maneuver from this random.... SC2Con? Come on Koreans, get rid of this phony ass hierarchy. Seems that the Puma drama lingered and was attached to the NASL. Too bad that group, whatever they want to call themselves, are hurting the community and viewers. Not like they care though, this probably had almost no splash in the Korean community, and if any a positive one I would assume... I hope someone will prove me wrong.
edit: I have a funny thought. What if there was some ridiculous NASC2Condurp run by Alex Garfield from EG. Imagine him trying to pull this shit. There would be blood. This Comment is the most win Comment on The First 25 Pages of the Thread. Behold the Kespa2(Starcraft2Con) (Evil) has come into fruition I am also dumbfounded in Kespa 2.0's(Starcraft2Con) Choice To Hire Mole Trap as Caster. Ok. So its obvious the reason Starcraft2Con (Kespa2.0) has Decided to not allow the Koreans in their organization in their teams go to NASL. Is because Starcraft2Con(Aka Mr. Chae Head of GSL/GomTV) Does not want NASL to become a full fledged Competitor of E-Sports in General. The Main Factor is here is that Starcraft2Con (Kespa2.0) is hurting E-Sports in the Long run by not allowing the Koreans to Come over and compete in the NASL This is basically a business move on Starcraft2Cons part They want the Money to Stay in Korea for GomTV/GSL Its so Obvious. Many have pointed this out Already in the Thread. Does anyone else disagree with this because it seems that would be the only Reason Mr Chae and/or Starcraft2Con would do such a thing. I honestly can't claim to know what SC2Con's purpose is. They seem to be lately making some pretty rash and strange decisions. And they do seem to be acting a lot like KESPA. The lack of honoring contracts is perhaps the worst and most dangerous part of all of this. However, I just want to stand up for Mr.Chae. He is simply a mediator between NASL and SC2Con at the moment. He actually stated that he does not agree with SC2Con's decision and has argued on NASL's behalf. Thankyou for Clearing that up for me i didn't know So if Mr Chae Doesn't make the Decisions or have any Say in Starcraft2Con Then??? So who's calling the Shots at Starcraft2 Con Then?
The TEAMS call the shots for SC2con. SC2con is made up of the leaders of each of the respective teams. It's not owners or businessmen, nothing like KeSPA at all.
On August 13 2011 12:06 XRaDiiX wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 11:59 FidoDido wrote:So let me get this straight... the OP is saying the Koreans from GSL are all greedy and demand money just for being at NASL even if they don't win anything. Hm... that statement doesn't sound fishy and untrue at all. <sarcasm> This accusation on Mr.Chae is quite huge though, considering he is the founder of SC2 major competition in S.Korea and one of the largest supporters of the growth in e-sports as well an samaritan (WCS promoting Japan relief fund) I guess we're all supposed to believe the OP on everything he says even though he did not bring any proof of documentation. On a side note, someone above me posted, Boxer and his team is not attending NASL for similar reasons. Boxer, being someone who does not like to get involved in controversies previously discussed his negativity towards NASL on milkis blog. I don't know whether the above is true or not, but if it's coming from Milkis translations, I would believe him. By the way, for those of you don't know. Mr.Chae is NOT the head of SC2Con. That position belongs to TSL' coach Mr.Won. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252847 So why does TSL's name keep popping up in most of these controversies then. Did Coach Won Decide for the whole of Starcraft2Con Because EG Sniped (TSL) Puma>??? Is this his way of Keeping Koreans players from getting sniped Or his revenge for the Puma Snipe? Is that whats causing all this controversy.
Are you too lazy to read the thread or just trying to stir shit up at this point? And coach Won was never part of TSL, he's the head of ST and stepped down after the whole FD/Tester problem. TSL coach is coach Lee.
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so they're trying to milk us for as much as possible? I was looking forward to seeing them play I think that's so unfair. NASL won't be the same...
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That Sucks How Greedy Can You Possibly Be?
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On August 13 2011 12:29 Von wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2011 15:55 Ocedic wrote:On August 12 2011 15:46 Von wrote:
More power to NASL and the West. Nothing personal and no disrespect to the Koreans:
But we don't need them. The level of players here is sick. The games will still be great.
It's about time we stop referring to all non-Koreans in this game as 'foreigners'.
Why are people still using that term? It's 2011. They don't own this sport.
This news is a big step in the direction of stepping up and losing that tired label.
You sound like yotu have some serious issues. The irony is that people like you are the ones who are making thSis about race and nationality. The rest of us just want to see good games, which come from the best players. . Noooo. Way to totally read way too deep into it. It's a simple idea: Stop kissing up to another area of the world and giving them the ownership of the sport. They're better because - for whatever reason - it took off there a long time ago and became a legitimate sport - where full time sponsorships and practice allowed them to excel at it. It's not because they're Asian lol. It has nothing to do with race, nationality, or 'issues'. There are great players in the West. Going out of the way to pay the Koreans to come here, just because they have a head start on skill because of circumstances ... ... or because some kids are all star-struck and crushing on Korean gaming rock stars ... Bahh. Its not necessary. Its not worth it. The sport will thrive here in time without them. And now it is really coming off as ass kissing. Really? Paying their way? No
It has nothing to do with race, they just try harder, care more, and stay committed to being better RTS gamers than their peers. As a whole, the foreign SC2 scene is falling further and further behind in skill right now compared to the Koreans. Yes that includes EU and NA. The only way to lessen that is to work with the Koreans in order to expose foreigners to more of their scene and competition. Otherwise you get this:
Koreans own white dudes.
And unless your goal is to completely block off tournaments from Korea, once that skill gap reaches a certain extent, it becomes kind of hopeless for foreigners and foreign teams to participate just to get a top 10-15 spot. Remember if the scene starts dying in Korea, the only thing they will do is commit harder to where the money is...here.
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This is pretty poor on the part of the NASL. Korean teams can't afford to send players to the NASL, and the NASL can't afford to fly over all of the korean players, so they make a news post about how they were "threatened" and the Korean teams made "demands". Being accusatory and trying to paint your organization as a victim isn't going to salvage your reputation or reclaim the lost viewers that this will undoubtedly cause. Underhanded PR isn't conducive to building a strong international SC2 scene, which should be the ultimate goal of any organization that truly loves ESPORTS.
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It sounds like you guys made a valiant and honest effort at retaining the Korean teams.
(many professional sports require the athletes to pay 100% of their travel and lodging expenses - just look at golf/tennis)
Their loss imo.
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On August 13 2011 14:16 tripper688 wrote:
Remember if the scene starts dying in Korea, the only thing they will do is commit harder to where the money is...here.
I agree the fact that SC2 isnt as popular as SC1 in Korea as ppl expected, but at the same time SC2 will eventually grow larger as we get more ppl and more talent. that means games will be a lot closer or more entertaining with new strategies.
remember SC2 is still a very young game, and still has a lot of potential in everywhere in the World. and thats including Korea also.
but yes one of these day America or Europe will have as much or more pros and sponsors compare to Korea, not yet though... it will take some time, id say at least five years or longer
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This is unfortunate but I know I will still pay the 25$ to support the cause! I really enjoyed season one even with its imperfections.
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The way I see it, Korean pros don't have many alternatives to the GSL. So I'm thinking the decision to stay out of this potentially lucrative tournament was probably one made with great consideration.. As long as the coaches of SC2Con kept their players in the loop and there is a consensus between players and management of Korean teams regarding the decision, I am inclined to disagree with the attitude expressed by the OP. If they say it's too much.. It's probably too much... If you absolutely have to have Koreans in your tournament.. make them an offer they can't refuse :/
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On August 13 2011 15:19 thepuppyassassin wrote:
The way I see it, Korean pros don't have many alternatives to the GSL. So I'm thinking the decision to stay out of this potentially lucrative tournament was probably one made with great consideration.. As long as the coaches of SC2Con kept their players in the loop and there is a consensus between players and management of Korean teams regarding the decision, I am inclined to disagree with the attitude expressed by the OP. If they say it's too much.. It's probably too much... If you absolutely have to have Koreans in your tournament.. make them an offer they can't refuse :/
Thats the thing though. They did make them an offer that they didn't refuse. They signed contracts agreeing to the terms set forth by NASL. Then they decided they weren't going to honor those contracts and pulled out after they had already started filming. If they couldn't afford to send their players or weren't happy with match times, lag, etc they should have never signed the contracts.
So it's not a matter of making them an offer they couldn't refuse. Its a matter of them saying yes and then going back on their word.
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On August 13 2011 12:08 XRaDiiX wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2011 12:02 jstar wrote:
Hah, as if NASL wasn't destined to fail since the very beginning anyways. You're Ruining E-Sports you pessimistic! #^$%
There's a difference between being pessimistic and being critical and ahead of the curve.
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