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TSL's ban overturned - SC2 Committee

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zeehar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)3804 Posts
August 09 2011 13:04 GMT
#1
because this is too important to bury in the original thread.

not an official translation, just a rough quick one done by me. mods feel free to edit/delete once TL official translations are up.

The SC2 Committee's Official Statement Regarding the Overturn of the Ban of TSL
http://www.playxp.com/sc2/news/view.php?article_id=3271357

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"a significant part of the players' (tester, FD) testimonies were false"

"their statements were inconsistent with the truth regarding missed salary payments + copyright issues regarding use of their image"

"TSL does not want any punishment given to FD and tester, and thus their wish will be respected, and it is expected from these two players that they act in a more moral way in the future"


Apology from Coach Won (Startale Coach)
http://www.playxp.com/sc2/news/view.php?article_id=3271262

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"coach lee contacted me after i posted the article, saying he was concerned with the details of my article."

"there may have been many misinformations + exaggerations in my post"

"after going through TSL's bank account details and records, we agreed there had been misunderstandings between us"

"we have recognised that FD and tester were acting in the wrong"


regarding FD and tester's claims

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"the claim that coach lee visited the team house about twice a month was exaggerated"

"we had agreed beforehand that tester, as the team captain, would shoulder some responsibilities of coach"

"we recognise that coach lee was indeed busy with the running of his pc bang and associated tournaments and other schedules"

"after checking with the sponsor regarding their payments to TSL, we recognise that our first salaries were paid on the correct date"

"although initially we were told different things by the sponsor and by coach lee, we now know that coach lee was not lying"

"there were also no problems regarding salary payments prior to the pair leaving TSL"

"it is because of my rash decision that there was harm done to coach lee"

"in their last month at TSL, tester and FD only showed up on less than 10 days, and they hold themselves accountable for their team atmosphere harming activities and refusal to participate in official TSL events/schedules"

"regarding image usage rights, coach lee first said that he would pay for the use of FD and tester's photos (this was right after FD and tester left)"

"but later, after finding out these details, we have agreed not to give/accept any payment"

"we apologise for only thinking about our team's rights, and not thinking from coach lee's perspective and the potential relationship between our team and TSL"

"in conclusion, much of the details used in the original arbitration by the SC2 Committee was falsified"

"exaggerations by FD and tester were due to their lack of information on the situation"

"there was a lot of emotional decision making on our part, which we regret"


edit/addition: from coach won's apology post

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"as the head of the sc2 committee, i will hold myself responsible for the rash decision and subsequent harm to TSL that i took without regard to the severity of the situation, and resign as the head of the committee"

"in the future i will make sure that i take in all the information and make sure of its truth before making decisions"

"i apologise for the harm this has caused to all the players and teams in the sc2 committee"

"i realise it is difficult to take back words after they have been said"

"i apologise with my head bowed to TSL, coach lee, the players and their fans for acting in this manner"

"i hope this situation can eventually be another stepping stone, and not a harming influence, for the growth of sc2"

"i am glad that this situation has been resolved and the truth has been cleared up"


glad to see the truth revealed, and TSL and coach lee exonerated.
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Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
August 09 2011 13:06 GMT
#2
Respect to Coach Lee!
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50115 Posts
August 09 2011 13:06 GMT
#3
wow, juicy controversy here.
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SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10304 Posts
August 09 2011 13:07 GMT
#4
when will the TSL drama ends?
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Kaiwa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2209 Posts
August 09 2011 13:07 GMT
#5
Was already surprised that Coach Lee would do such stuff. FruitDealer and Tester staying classy -_-
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Synche
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1345 Posts
August 09 2011 13:07 GMT
#6
What the is going on over there. Obviously its not the court of law but false information in a committee arbitration is pretty serious.
FXOBoSs
Profile Joined August 2011
337 Posts
August 09 2011 13:07 GMT
#7
lol jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez... this drama is very dramatic ^^
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HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
August 09 2011 13:08 GMT
#8
Lol @ people jumping on the Coach Lee hate bandwagon.
AxelTVx
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada916 Posts
August 09 2011 13:08 GMT
#9
Wow huge controversy here.... But I feel FD and tester's comments were a bit forced...
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Kaelaris
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom788 Posts
August 09 2011 13:08 GMT
#10
Good for TSL! I did feel sorry for Coach Lee in the situation, given that if his side of the story was correct (which it seems to have been), then he was put in a very unfair position by Fruitdealer and Trickster.

It's weird because I used to be such a FD/Trickster fan but after all this controversy i'm not so sure anymore
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redoxx
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States333 Posts
August 09 2011 13:08 GMT
#11
I had a feeling it wasn't so one sided against TSL. This is getting interesting.
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GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
August 09 2011 13:10 GMT
#12
On August 09 2011 22:08 redoxx wrote:
I had a feeling it wasn't so one sided against TSL. This is getting interesting.


With that coach, I would find it hard to believe if it were so one sided.
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AmericanUmlaut
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2577 Posts
August 09 2011 13:10 GMT
#13
This story just gets better and better. I really feel for Coach Lee getting caught up in two big controversies while simultaneously with losing several of his best players.

I'm glad to see that the committee took the time to analyze the situation and rectify their mistake, but what a shame they didn't do that before banning TSL in the first place.
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TimeFlighT
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia257 Posts
August 09 2011 13:10 GMT
#14
Coach Lee is now proven innocent.

Shame to all the people in that TSL thread that said Coach Lee is a disgrace to SC2.
DelRax
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia54 Posts
August 09 2011 13:10 GMT
#15
Lee was copping a lot of flak in the other thread, it's very nice to see it end this way for him.

Hopefully TSL can start to build back up their reputation after all this controvesy, just so much stupid mis-information.
brachester
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia1786 Posts
August 09 2011 13:11 GMT
#16
yeah, in your face for those people who keep calling coach lee a douchebag, i knew there's something wrong about this when he said "there is so many lies in the player's testimonies" and decided to pull out of sc2con instead of paying the fine
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Netsky
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1155 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-09 13:15:47
August 09 2011 13:11 GMT
#17
Wait...what? FD and Tester make claims about not getting paid from TSL which turn out to be false even though they said that is the reason why they jumped ship to StarTale? Then TSL says it's all fine even though they have been essentially defamed and lost 2 of their better players...there has to be more to it. The whole scenario is pretty strange imo.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
August 09 2011 13:11 GMT
#18
Fair play to the ST coach and FD & Trickster to admit they made some mistakes and misunderstandings were abound.
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DisaFear
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia4074 Posts
August 09 2011 13:11 GMT
#19
Well, that's that, problem solved
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zeehar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)3804 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-09 13:13:23
August 09 2011 13:12 GMT
#20
On August 09 2011 22:11 Netsky wrote:Then TSL says it's all fine even though they have been essentially defamed and lost 2 of their better players...there has to be more it.


no, ending the controversy now would be the best course of action for everyone involved rather than start another battle over TSL trying to gain compensation or whatever.

koreans can start fights easily, but they also end them easily. litigation still isn't a very common way to solve these kinds of problems in korea.
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