So let me get this straight... the OP is saying the Koreans from GSL are all greedy and demand money just for being at NASL even if they don't win anything.
Hm... that statement doesn't sound fishy and untrue at all. <sarcasm>
This accusation on Mr.Chae is quite huge though, considering he is the founder of SC2 major competition in S.Korea and one of the largest supporters of the growth in e-sports as well an samaritan (WCS promoting Japan relief fund)
I guess we're all supposed to believe the OP on everything he says even though he did not bring any proof of documentation.
On a side note, someone above me posted, Boxer and his team is not attending NASL for similar reasons. Boxer, being someone who does not like to get involved in controversies previously discussed his negativity towards NASL on milkis blog.
I don't know whether the above is true or not, but if it's coming from Milkis translations, I would believe him.
On August 12 2011 08:48 gregnog wrote: This seems to be a calculated maneuver from this random.... SC2Con? Come on Koreans, get rid of this phony ass hierarchy. Seems that the Puma drama lingered and was attached to the NASL. Too bad that group, whatever they want to call themselves, are hurting the community and viewers. Not like they care though, this probably had almost no splash in the Korean community, and if any a positive one I would assume... I hope someone will prove me wrong.
edit: I have a funny thought. What if there was some ridiculous NASC2Condurp run by Alex Garfield from EG. Imagine him trying to pull this shit. There would be blood.
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Behold the Kespa2(Starcraft2Con) (Evil) has come into fruition
I am also dumbfounded in Kespa 2.0's(Starcraft2Con) Choice To Hire Mole Trap as Caster.
Boxer has chosen not to participate in NASL season 2 or have his team participate in it. He has also said negative things about it according to Milkis blog (although he does not go into specifics). SlayerS is not part of SC2Con. Obviously whatever is going on is larger than just SC2Con.
It's not just Koreans. Top foreigners like Nani and Thorzain have also voiced displeasure at the tournament and have also withdrawn and are now spending more time in Korea to train.
On August 13 2011 11:39 DGenerate wrote: Yes this may suck for the show, but in my opinion, it will give 50k to a NA or EU player who will definitely use it to support himself in continuing his career. The Koreans seem a little bit greedy here with the offer that has been made to them. And with SC2 being bigger in the west than in Korea, I believe it's their loss. Let them out for sometime, I think they'll change their minds.
There are still Koreans and Korean trained participants in NASL lol...And if that's the attitude you take, the skill gap only grows and leads to more MLG Anaheims.
I see the angle you bring with the skill gap increasing, but I think we can do without them for one season. Besides, our foreigners will still play plenty of Koreans in the other tournaments. Business wise, we shouldn't kneel before them just because they are the gods of Starcraft. We have leverage because the scene is healthy in the west and there's no reason not to use that leverage. If they want to come here, they should take as much financial risk as any European or anyone traveling at his own fee.
lol at people trying to say that this is their loss. first of all, it is everyone's loss including us the viewers. I think most of us can agree on that. but something has to be realized here. these big foreign tournaments actually almost do not have any impact on the korean sc2 scene whatsoever. it has been shown that when these players win these big foreign tournaments, they keep all of their money (and not shared even a bit amongst the team itself. (at least for the case of TSL / Puma). what this means is that it's just the players getting the money. doesn't really help the team / sc2 scene in korea in any way . I fully believe that regardless of whether or not sc2 keeps growing in the foreign scene or not, it will not have any impact on korea's sc2 scene. in this sense, the foreign scene is the one who is getting the shorter end of the stick . there is no doubt there will be loss of interest / viewers because of this . the legitimacy of the tournament is also arguably far lower.
I do not see this changing much even if the korean sc2 scene was flourishing as say the BW scene (altho the BW scene isn't looking so good lately). why? because even if they were and even if they had a lot of funds coming in from their sponsors, their sponsors will have no interest in spending money to send them over seas to compete in foreign tournaments that will not yield them (the sponsors) any benefits. if they were sponsored by big companies such as samsung, then maybe. but this will most likely not be the case (not for every team for sure). take IM or PRIME as examples for the time being who are sponsored by googim / sabasaba (just to mention one of their sponsors). why would these sponsors at all be interested in sending their players to foreign events? what good would it yield for Sabasaba the chicken restaurant in korea ? (this might be an extreme example but take a good look at the brood war team sponsors. they are not exactly international companies like samsung . (well there is Samsung KHAN but im speaking more generally here. not just one team).
On August 13 2011 11:53 Sein wrote: Can we please wait a few days until SC2Con releases their official statement? We've had quite a few memorable cases of two sides presenting different "facts" in the past few weeks. ThisIsGame isn't directly affiliated with SC2Con, so the article from there is just a personal opinion of a journalist.
Actually the guy who wrote that article is member of SC2Con, so while it might not be an official statement, its the closest thing we have to one for right now.
If that's the case, then I'm anxious. The guy who wrote the article made many scandalous and far-fledged lies, which were quickly disproven with hard facts by NASL.
I really, really, hope he is not the official voice of SC2Con. It will make them look 50 times worse than they already do if the opinion of that guy is shared by all of the members of SC2Con.
On August 12 2011 08:48 gregnog wrote: This seems to be a calculated maneuver from this random.... SC2Con? Come on Koreans, get rid of this phony ass hierarchy. Seems that the Puma drama lingered and was attached to the NASL. Too bad that group, whatever they want to call themselves, are hurting the community and viewers. Not like they care though, this probably had almost no splash in the Korean community, and if any a positive one I would assume... I hope someone will prove me wrong.
edit: I have a funny thought. What if there was some ridiculous NASC2Condurp run by Alex Garfield from EG. Imagine him trying to pull this shit. There would be blood.
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Behold the Kespa2(Starcraft2Con) (Evil) has come into fruition
I am also dumbfounded in Kespa 2.0's(Starcraft2Con) Choice To Hire Mole Trap as Caster.
Ok. So its obvious the reason Starcraft2Con (Kespa2.0) has Decided to not allow the Koreans in their organization in their teams go to NASL.
Is because Starcraft2Con(Aka Mr. Chae Head of GSL/GomTV) Does not want NASL to become a full fledged Competitor of E-Sports in General.
The Main Factor is here is that Starcraft2Con (Kespa2.0) is hurting E-Sports in the Long run by not allowing the Koreans to Come over and compete in the NASL
This is basically a business move on Starcraft2Cons part
They want the Money to Stay in Korea for GomTV/GSL Its so Obvious. Many have pointed this out Already in the Thread.
Does anyone else disagree with this because it seems that would be the only Reason Mr Chae and/or Starcraft2Con would do such a thing.
I honestly can't claim to know what SC2Con's purpose is. They seem to be lately making some pretty rash and strange decisions. And they do seem to be acting a lot like KESPA. The lack of honoring contracts is perhaps the worst and most dangerous part of all of this.
However, I just want to stand up for Mr.Chae. He is simply a mediator between NASL and SC2Con at the moment. He actually stated that he does not agree with SC2Con's decision and has argued on NASL's behalf.
Thankyou for Clearing that up for me i didn't know
So if Mr Chae Doesn't make the Decisions or have any Say in Starcraft2Con Then???
So who's calling the Shots at Starcraft2 Con Then?
He's not the speaker for SC2Con, he was just the mediator or middle man for the negotiations between NASL and SC2Con. And like whateverpeeps said, he was opposed to the decision that the Koreans took and tried to change their minds.
On August 13 2011 11:59 FidoDido wrote: So let me get this straight... the OP is saying the Koreans from GSL are all greedy and demand money just for being at NASL even if they don't win anything.
Hm... that statement doesn't sound fishy and untrue at all.
This accusation on Mr.Chae is quite huge though, considering he is the founder of SC2 major competition in S.Korea and one of the largest supporters of the growth in e-sports as well an samaritan (WCS promoting Japan relief fund)
I guess we're all supposed to believe the OP on everything he says even though he did not bring any proof of documentation.
On a side note, someone above me posted, Boxer and his team is not attending NASL for similar reasons. Boxer, being someone who does not like to get involved in controversies previously discussed his negativity towards NASL on milkis blog.
I don't know whether the above is true or not, but if it's coming from Milkis translations, I would believe him.
I think you should take some time to skim through the thread, and if I were you, I would check out the other thread on the topic (Tig Opinion on NASL Situation).
To summarize:
1) NASL is not saying Koreans are greedy...they are just saying that Koreans made some demands, NASL made some offers, and they couldn't come to a decision so Koreans under SC2Con won't be participating in season 2.
2) Some of the Koreans have breached Season 2 contacts in doing this and their last minute pull-out after production has began is noteworthy as it's really not professional.
3) NASL has explicitly stated that Chae is mediating and that he is not involved in this dispute, so I don't see where you got the impression that NASL was accusing him of anything.
On August 13 2011 11:59 FidoDido wrote: So let me get this straight... the OP is saying the Koreans from GSL are all greedy and demand money just for being at NASL even if they don't win anything.
Hm... that statement doesn't sound fishy and untrue at all. <sarcasm>
This accusation on Mr.Chae is quite huge though, considering he is the founder of SC2 major competition in S.Korea and one of the largest supporters of the growth in e-sports as well an samaritan (WCS promoting Japan relief fund)
I guess we're all supposed to believe the OP on everything he says even though he did not bring any proof of documentation.
On a side note, someone above me posted, Boxer and his team is not attending NASL for similar reasons. Boxer, being someone who does not like to get involved in controversies previously discussed his negativity towards NASL on milkis blog.
I don't know whether the above is true or not, but if it's coming from Milkis translations, I would believe him.
On August 12 2011 08:48 gregnog wrote: This seems to be a calculated maneuver from this random.... SC2Con? Come on Koreans, get rid of this phony ass hierarchy. Seems that the Puma drama lingered and was attached to the NASL. Too bad that group, whatever they want to call themselves, are hurting the community and viewers. Not like they care though, this probably had almost no splash in the Korean community, and if any a positive one I would assume... I hope someone will prove me wrong.
edit: I have a funny thought. What if there was some ridiculous NASC2Condurp run by Alex Garfield from EG. Imagine him trying to pull this shit. There would be blood.
This Comment is the most win Comment on The First 25 Pages of the Thread.
Behold the Kespa2(Starcraft2Con) (Evil) has come into fruition
I am also dumbfounded in Kespa 2.0's(Starcraft2Con) Choice To Hire Mole Trap as Caster.
Ok. So its obvious the reason Starcraft2Con (Kespa2.0) has Decided to not allow the Koreans in their organization in their teams go to NASL.
Is because Starcraft2Con(Aka Mr. Chae Head of GSL/GomTV) Does not want NASL to become a full fledged Competitor of E-Sports in General.
The Main Factor is here is that Starcraft2Con (Kespa2.0) is hurting E-Sports in the Long run by not allowing the Koreans to Come over and compete in the NASL
This is basically a business move on Starcraft2Cons part
They want the Money to Stay in Korea for GomTV/GSL Its so Obvious. Many have pointed this out Already in the Thread.
Does anyone else disagree with this because it seems that would be the only Reason Mr Chae and/or Starcraft2Con would do such a thing.
I honestly can't claim to know what SC2Con's purpose is. They seem to be lately making some pretty rash and strange decisions. And they do seem to be acting a lot like KESPA. The lack of honoring contracts is perhaps the worst and most dangerous part of all of this.
However, I just want to stand up for Mr.Chae. He is simply a mediator between NASL and SC2Con at the moment. He actually stated that he does not agree with SC2Con's decision and has argued on NASL's behalf.
Thankyou for Clearing that up for me i didn't know
So if Mr Chae Doesn't make the Decisions or have any Say in Starcraft2Con Then???
So who's calling the Shots at Starcraft2 Con Then?
I read somewhere Coach Won. I've also read OGS' Spunky, but nobody quote me on either of those. I've been trying to find out myself.
Awww man, I really wanted to see Koreans at NASL. It doesn't feel the same without them. Oh well I hope more European and maybe SEA players get to play. This is sad news =(, $2000 seems like a sufficient amount.
Coach Won stepped down as head of SC2Con this past week due to the Coach Lee/FD/Tester situation.
From his apology post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252847 "as the head of the sc2 committee, i will hold myself responsible for the rash decision and subsequent harm to TSL that i took without regard to the severity of the situation, and resign as the head of the committee"
On August 13 2011 11:59 FidoDido wrote: So let me get this straight... the OP is saying the Koreans from GSL are all greedy and demand money just for being at NASL even if they don't win anything.
Hm... that statement doesn't sound fishy and untrue at all. <sarcasm>
This accusation on Mr.Chae is quite huge though, considering he is the founder of SC2 major competition in S.Korea and one of the largest supporters of the growth in e-sports as well an samaritan (WCS promoting Japan relief fund)
I guess we're all supposed to believe the OP on everything he says even though he did not bring any proof of documentation.
On a side note, someone above me posted, Boxer and his team is not attending NASL for similar reasons. Boxer, being someone who does not like to get involved in controversies previously discussed his negativity towards NASL on milkis blog.
I don't know whether the above is true or not, but if it's coming from Milkis translations, I would believe him.
On August 13 2011 12:12 Slider954 wrote: Coach Won stepped down as head of SC2Con this past week due to the Coach Lee/FD/Tester situation.
From his apology post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252847 "as the head of the sc2 committee, i will hold myself responsible for the rash decision and subsequent harm to TSL that i took without regard to the severity of the situation, and resign as the head of the committee"
On August 12 2011 15:46 Von wrote: More power to NASL and the West. Nothing personal and no disrespect to the Koreans:
But we don't need them. The level of players here is sick. The games will still be great.
It's about time we stop referring to all non-Koreans in this game as 'foreigners'.
Why are people still using that term? It's 2011. They don't own this sport.
This news is a big step in the direction of stepping up and losing that tired label.
Is this CatZ smurf account?
hhahahah. Right on.
No.
But thanks for pointing up the fact that - at the last second I left out "... I totally agree with the Catz post from a while back" It's true man. He's right.
Paying all that money to bring them here? Nahhhh.. That's the wrong attitude entirely IMO.
On August 13 2011 11:59 FidoDido wrote: So let me get this straight... the OP is saying the Koreans from GSL are all greedy and demand money just for being at NASL even if they don't win anything.
Hm... that statement doesn't sound fishy and untrue at all. <sarcasm>
This accusation on Mr.Chae is quite huge though, considering he is the founder of SC2 major competition in S.Korea and one of the largest supporters of the growth in e-sports as well an samaritan (WCS promoting Japan relief fund)
I guess we're all supposed to believe the OP on everything he says even though he did not bring any proof of documentation.
On a side note, someone above me posted, Boxer and his team is not attending NASL for similar reasons. Boxer, being someone who does not like to get involved in controversies previously discussed his negativity towards NASL on milkis blog.
I don't know whether the above is true or not, but if it's coming from Milkis translations, I would believe him.
NASL has repeatedly posted that Mr. Chae is amazing/awesome etcetc and has never spoken a bad word about him. Head of SC2Con is StarTale's coach Mr. Won not TSL. Go back and read the thread.
Nothing could be probably be done about it. Korean teams don't actually have enough money to send a bunch of players for "potential" prize money between taking care of the team house and providing living expenses for all their players. Even if you get to the ro16 you have to get to the ro8 and work hard for 2.5 months if you want to actually make any money. It's a big tournament that requires group play from all their players even if they have no chance to get to the finals, and it's just a big investment with little reward unless you place like top 4.
But thanks for pointing up the fact that - at the last second I left out "... I totally agree with the Catz post from a while back" It's true man. He's right.
Paying all that money to bring them here? Nahhhh.. That's the wrong attitude entirely IMO.
Most of us really really don't want to watch Little League Starcraft . . . ><
EPT
It's true man. He's right.
