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Slider954
Profile Joined March 2011
United States342 Posts
August 13 2011 02:08 GMT
#3221
What is with with the hate towards Mr Chae? He busts his ass to make Sc2 and esports as great as they can be. Nothing but love towards him
Best in the world at what I do
Jonneh
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom67 Posts
August 13 2011 02:23 GMT
#3222
Waiting until the season starts to make demands and kick off about costs is pretty rough really. Seems like a pretty selfish move. Almost as if they don't care how much they piss off the league because they know that you'll be wanting them back anyway.

Not sure how to feel about it really. Can it really be a genuine concern that they "can't afford" it? Seems to me its the same with MLG, what the koreans get given on a silver platter is way more than what the US/EU players and teams get in return.

Sure, they're the best at the moment. I guess they figure that gives them weight to throw around. I find myself wishing it wasn't the case.
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
August 13 2011 02:26 GMT
#3223
"Pay for our holiday so we can come and win your money anyway" - Is this a fucking joke?

$2000 is more then enough for a return ticket and hotel / expenses for the time they will spend there -_- add to that practically every korean will be in the R08 - what sort of shit are they trying to pull?

Looks like this stigma of "Koreans being gosu" is getting to their fucking heads, give us what we want or we will refuse to participate, pfft.

Children not getting what they want and throwing their toys out the pram IMO - this obviously isnt because they cant afford it with $2000 per player -_-
Useless wet fish.
Starscreamz
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada30 Posts
August 13 2011 02:28 GMT
#3224
I think it might be partially because of opportunity cost, in the eyes of their coaches. Perhaps they feel there's better prospects to be had outside of the NASL or that they'd prefer to have their players better prepared for GSL/GSTL.
Zerg aren't meant to beat Protoss.
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-13 02:37:16
August 13 2011 02:31 GMT
#3225
On August 12 2011 08:48 gregnog wrote:
This seems to be a calculated maneuver from this random.... SC2Con? Come on Koreans, get rid of this phony ass hierarchy. Seems that the Puma drama lingered and was attached to the NASL. Too bad that group, whatever they want to call themselves, are hurting the community and viewers. Not like they care though, this probably had almost no splash in the Korean community, and if any a positive one I would assume... I hope someone will prove me wrong.

edit: I have a funny thought. What if there was some ridiculous NASC2Condurp run by Alex Garfield from EG. Imagine him trying to pull this shit. There would be blood.


This Comment is the most win Comment on The First 25 Pages of the Thread.

Behold the Kespa2(Starcraft2Con) (Evil) has come into fruition

I am also dumbfounded in Kespa 2.0's(Starcraft2Con) Choice To Hire Mole Trap as Caster.

Ok. So its obvious the reason Starcraft2Con (Kespa2.0) has Decided to not allow the Koreans in their organization in their teams go to NASL.

Is because Starcraft2Con(Aka Mr. Chae Head of GSL/GomTV) Does not want NASL to become a full fledged Competitor of E-Sports in General.

The Main Factor is here is that Starcraft2Con (Kespa2.0) is hurting E-Sports in the Long run by not allowing the Koreans to Come over and compete in the NASL

This is basically a business move on Starcraft2Cons part

They want the Money to Stay in Korea for GomTV/GSL Its so Obvious. Many have pointed this out Already in the Thread.

Does anyone else disagree with this because it seems that would be the only Reason Mr Chae and/or Starcraft2Con would do such a thing.
Never GG MKP | IdrA
tripper688
Profile Joined January 2011
United States569 Posts
August 13 2011 02:34 GMT
#3226
On August 13 2011 11:05 RavenLoud wrote:
I think I'm going to buy a season 2 ticket to support NASL for this even though I haven't bought it for season 1.

I'm not against this tbh, this make more spots for foreigners, and might encourage the foreign scene


I disagree. The best way to encourage the foreign scene is through more good interaction like what MLG/GSL is doing. It not only builds good will but also creates good dynamic, good games, and has the potential to lessen the skill gap.


On August 13 2011 11:23 Jonneh wrote:
Waiting until the season starts to make demands and kick off about costs is pretty rough really. Seems like a pretty selfish move. Almost as if they don't care how much they piss off the league because they know that you'll be wanting them back anyway.

Not sure how to feel about it really. Can it really be a genuine concern that they "can't afford" it? Seems to me its the same with MLG, what the koreans get given on a silver platter is way more than what the US/EU players and teams get in return.

Sure, they're the best at the moment. I guess they figure that gives them weight to throw around. I find myself wishing it wasn't the case.


What are you talking about? Do you even follow MLG? The only Koreans that were sponsored and slotted were the ones under the exchange program just like how GOM is sponsoring Nani/Sase/Sjow/Fenix in GSL. Read the thread please. The reason they asked for so much this season was not just a finance issue, they want to make sure they are adequately (in their eyes) compensated for the fiasco that was season 1. Can't blame them for that. The way they went about it is wrong though.

On August 13 2011 11:26 Capped wrote:
"Pay for our holiday so we can come and win your money anyway" - Is this a fucking joke?

$2000 is more then enough for a return ticket and hotel / expenses for the time they will spend there -_- add to that practically every korean will be in the R08 - what sort of shit are they trying to pull?

Looks like this stigma of "Koreans being gosu" is getting to their fucking heads, give us what we want or we will refuse to participate, pfft.

Children not getting what they want and throwing their toys out the pram IMO - this obviously isnt because they cant afford it with $2000 per player -_-


Please read the thread. They were upset at their treatment in season 1, which if you actually followed it, you would understand. That's why they increased their demands, because they felt that they were not adequately compensated for what went down last season. It doesn't make it OK for them to breach contract in the way they did but it's more than understandable that they would want something better to sweeten the pot this season.
"Excuse me I gotta do some vacuuming really fast *vrrrrrrmmmmmmmmm*" Day[9]
Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
August 13 2011 02:35 GMT
#3227
On August 13 2011 11:31 XRaDiiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 08:48 gregnog wrote:
This seems to be a calculated maneuver from this random.... SC2Con? Come on Koreans, get rid of this phony ass hierarchy. Seems that the Puma drama lingered and was attached to the NASL. Too bad that group, whatever they want to call themselves, are hurting the community and viewers. Not like they care though, this probably had almost no splash in the Korean community, and if any a positive one I would assume... I hope someone will prove me wrong.

edit: I have a funny thought. What if there was some ridiculous NASC2Condurp run by Alex Garfield from EG. Imagine him trying to pull this shit. There would be blood.


This Comment is the most win Comment on The First 25 Pages of the Thread.

Behold the Kespa2(Starcraft2Con) (Evil) has come into fruition

I am also dumbfounded in Kespa 2.0's(Starcraft2Con) Choice To Hire Mole Trap as Caster.

Boxer has chosen not to participate in NASL season 2 or have his team participate in it. He has also said negative things about it according to Milkis blog (although he does not go into specifics). SlayerS is not part of SC2Con. Obviously whatever is going on is larger than just SC2Con.
tripper688
Profile Joined January 2011
United States569 Posts
August 13 2011 02:36 GMT
#3228
On August 13 2011 11:31 XRaDiiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 08:48 gregnog wrote:
This seems to be a calculated maneuver from this random.... SC2Con? Come on Koreans, get rid of this phony ass hierarchy. Seems that the Puma drama lingered and was attached to the NASL. Too bad that group, whatever they want to call themselves, are hurting the community and viewers. Not like they care though, this probably had almost no splash in the Korean community, and if any a positive one I would assume... I hope someone will prove me wrong.

edit: I have a funny thought. What if there was some ridiculous NASC2Condurp run by Alex Garfield from EG. Imagine him trying to pull this shit. There would be blood.


This Comment is the most win Comment on The First 25 Pages of the Thread.

Behold the Kespa2(Starcraft2Con) (Evil) has come into fruition

I am also dumbfounded in Kespa 2.0's(Starcraft2Con) Choice To Hire Mole Trap as Caster.


... Even without the Puma fiasco, they had every right to want more for this season after what they went through in the last with the scheduling and management and organization of the tournament. It doesn't give them a right to breach contract, but you can't fault them for making bigger demands.
"Excuse me I gotta do some vacuuming really fast *vrrrrrrmmmmmmmmm*" Day[9]
DGenerate
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada140 Posts
August 13 2011 02:39 GMT
#3229
Yes this may suck for the show, but in my opinion, it will give 50k to a NA or EU player who will definitely use it to support himself in continuing his career. The Koreans seem a little bit greedy here with the offer that has been made to them. And with SC2 being bigger in the west than in Korea, I believe it's their loss. Let them out for sometime, I think they'll change their minds.
tripper688
Profile Joined January 2011
United States569 Posts
August 13 2011 02:40 GMT
#3230
On August 13 2011 11:35 Duravi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2011 11:31 XRaDiiX wrote:
On August 12 2011 08:48 gregnog wrote:
This seems to be a calculated maneuver from this random.... SC2Con? Come on Koreans, get rid of this phony ass hierarchy. Seems that the Puma drama lingered and was attached to the NASL. Too bad that group, whatever they want to call themselves, are hurting the community and viewers. Not like they care though, this probably had almost no splash in the Korean community, and if any a positive one I would assume... I hope someone will prove me wrong.

edit: I have a funny thought. What if there was some ridiculous NASC2Condurp run by Alex Garfield from EG. Imagine him trying to pull this shit. There would be blood.


This Comment is the most win Comment on The First 25 Pages of the Thread.

Behold the Kespa2(Starcraft2Con) (Evil) has come into fruition

I am also dumbfounded in Kespa 2.0's(Starcraft2Con) Choice To Hire Mole Trap as Caster.

Boxer has chosen not to participate in NASL season 2 or have his team participate in it. He has also said negative things about it according to Milkis blog (although he does not go into specifics). SlayerS is not part of SC2Con. Obviously whatever is going on is larger than just SC2Con.


It's not just Koreans. Top foreigners like Nani and Thorzain have also voiced displeasure at the tournament and have also withdrawn and are now spending more time in Korea to train.

On August 13 2011 11:39 DGenerate wrote:
Yes this may suck for the show, but in my opinion, it will give 50k to a NA or EU player who will definitely use it to support himself in continuing his career. The Koreans seem a little bit greedy here with the offer that has been made to them. And with SC2 being bigger in the west than in Korea, I believe it's their loss. Let them out for sometime, I think they'll change their minds.


There are still Koreans and Korean trained participants in NASL lol...And if that's the attitude you take, the skill gap only grows and leads to more MLG Anaheims.
"Excuse me I gotta do some vacuuming really fast *vrrrrrrmmmmmmmmm*" Day[9]
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-13 02:45:12
August 13 2011 02:42 GMT
#3231
Or It Could be that the Korean Teams are afraid they will get another player sniped Like EG got Puma.

Although i Don't think EG was in the wrong for doing what they did.

Look In Reality It doesn't matter if Boxer Declined as well i think the underlying issue is that Starcraft2Con (Kespa 2.0) Feels threatened by NASL and decided to not allow the Koreans To go so they could captilize on having most of the Korean games in the GSL.

So they GSL can attain more fans/subsribers = more $$$ to GomTv/GSL instead of NASL

Because Fans might be tempted to buy GSL season now because they are restricting foreigners to some foreign Tournamnents.

IMO this is one big conspiracy and its not so hard to see Starcraft2Con(Mr Chae's) (Kespa 2.0) Devious Plans.

They want the Money to stay in Korea and they will do things that hurt E-Sports to keep it that way.

IMO this hurts the entire community and Global E-Sports for Sc2 in the Long run..

Sad to see

All this is doing is Dividing the Community and Increasing Division.

The Sc2 Community should not succumb to Greed and do whats best for the Players(Pro)/Fans First.

Not whats best for Kespa 2.0 and the managers Team owners.
Never GG MKP | IdrA
iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
August 13 2011 02:43 GMT
#3232
On August 13 2011 10:14 tripper688 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2011 10:12 iamthedave wrote:
On August 13 2011 10:08 Devolved wrote:
On August 13 2011 09:53 VillageBC wrote:

Of course, it might be more fair since the qualifier field won't have been tainted by Koreans knocking however they meet out left and right regardless of how good they are in comparison to NA/EU players.

*shrug*

I think that's a good point. I wonder how many skilled players were taken out by Koreans that could have otherwise qualified for the league.


There's no silver lining to this.

NASL doesn't have anything like the credibility it had without the Koreans in it. It's players fighting an inferior talent pool for a lot of money, and nothing else.

Whoever wins, they won because the best players didn't turn up.


Aww, you can't say that Puma, Rain, and HuK taking top spots would be undeserved...


No, I wouldn't take that from them. But still, their wins mean less. Especially when - as with Huk - we see them lose fairly early in the GSL.
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
August 13 2011 02:44 GMT
#3233
On August 13 2011 11:26 Capped wrote:
"Pay for our holiday so we can come and win your money anyway" - Is this a fucking joke?

$2000 is more then enough for a return ticket and hotel / expenses for the time they will spend there -_- add to that practically every korean will be in the R08 - what sort of shit are they trying to pull?

Looks like this stigma of "Koreans being gosu" is getting to their fucking heads, give us what we want or we will refuse to participate, pfft.

Children not getting what they want and throwing their toys out the pram IMO - this obviously isnt because they cant afford it with $2000 per player -_-

Stigma? They're far better than anyone else fact.
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
August 13 2011 02:49 GMT
#3234
On August 13 2011 10:16 ChroMaTe_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2011 10:08 tripper688 wrote:
On August 13 2011 10:03 ChroMaTe_ wrote:
To be honest it's their loss. NASL is a fantastic and fast-growing tournament and if they want to miss out, then it's no one's loss but theirs. Now it's truly the North American Star League whether we wanted it to be or not.


Don't start with this BS. Please.


Who's starting with BS? Most non North American players were in form of Koreans. I'm not saying EVERYONE is North American but we lost a big chunk of the part that wasn't.


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Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
August 13 2011 02:50 GMT
#3235
On August 13 2011 11:42 XRaDiiX wrote:
Or It Could be that the Korean Teams are afraid they will get another player sniped Like EG got Puma.

Although i Don't think EG was in the wrong for doing what they did.

Look In Reality It doesn't matter if Boxer Declined as well i think the underlying issue is that Starcraft2Con (Kespa 2.0) Feels threatened by NASL and decided to not allow the Koreans To go so they could captilize on having most of the Korean games in the GSL.

So they GSL can attain more fans/subsribers = more $$$ to GomTv/GSL instead of NASL

Because Fans might be tempted to buy GSL season now because they are restricting foreigners to some foreign Tournamnents.

IMO this is one big conspiracy and its not so hard to see Starcraft2Con(Mr Chae's) (Kespa 2.0) Devious Plans.

They want the Money to stay in Korea and they will do things that hurt E-Sports to keep it that way.

IMO this hurts the entire community and Global E-Sports for Sc2 in the Long run..

Sad to see

All this is doing is Dividing the Community and Increasing Division.

The Sc2 Community should not succumb to Greed and do whats best for the Players(Pro)/Fans First.

Not whats best for Kespa 2.0 and the managers Team owners.

Stupidest post ever. Mr chae has nothing to do with sc2 con. Sc2 con IS the managers and sc2 teams don't have owners. They are owned by their players. Sc2 con is nothing like kespa it's just guys like thewind trying to look out for the players not phone company bosses protecting financial interests. Please stop embarrassing yourself and tl with your total lack of knowledge about anything.
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
August 13 2011 02:53 GMT
#3236
Can we please wait a few days until SC2Con releases their official statement? We've had quite a few memorable cases of two sides presenting different "facts" in the past few weeks. ThisIsGame isn't directly affiliated with SC2Con, so the article from there is just a personal opinion of a journalist.
whateverpeeps
Profile Joined August 2011
United States214 Posts
August 13 2011 02:54 GMT
#3237
On August 13 2011 11:34 tripper688 wrote:


Please read the thread. They were upset at their treatment in season 1, which if you actually followed it, you would understand. That's why they increased their demands, because they felt that they were not adequately compensated for what went down last season. It doesn't make it OK for them to breach contract in the way they did but it's more than understandable that they would want something better to sweeten the pot this season.



I honestly think they had nothing to be upset about in Season 1. They recieved more special treatment than anyone else. The only bad thing were hours and perhaps lag, both of which were addressed and talked over with players and resolved for season 2.

I am honestly not sure what the goal of SC2Con is, I guess we have to wait for their response to understand what they're trying to achieve.

However, this notion that asking for that money is compensation for NASL being some kind of awful league doesn't seem to hold much legitimacy. If anything, Koreans should have more incentive than ever to play in Season 2 as their two biggest problems were resolved.
whateverpeeps
Profile Joined August 2011
United States214 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-13 02:58:06
August 13 2011 02:57 GMT
#3238
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 13 2011 11:31 XRaDiiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2011 08:48 gregnog wrote:
This seems to be a calculated maneuver from this random.... SC2Con? Come on Koreans, get rid of this phony ass hierarchy. Seems that the Puma drama lingered and was attached to the NASL. Too bad that group, whatever they want to call themselves, are hurting the community and viewers. Not like they care though, this probably had almost no splash in the Korean community, and if any a positive one I would assume... I hope someone will prove me wrong.

edit: I have a funny thought. What if there was some ridiculous NASC2Condurp run by Alex Garfield from EG. Imagine him trying to pull this shit. There would be blood.


This Comment is the most win Comment on The First 25 Pages of the Thread.

Behold the Kespa2(Starcraft2Con) (Evil) has come into fruition

I am also dumbfounded in Kespa 2.0's(Starcraft2Con) Choice To Hire Mole Trap as Caster.

Ok. So its obvious the reason Starcraft2Con (Kespa2.0) has Decided to not allow the Koreans in their organization in their teams go to NASL.

Is because Starcraft2Con(Aka Mr. Chae Head of GSL/GomTV) Does not want NASL to become a full fledged Competitor of E-Sports in General.

The Main Factor is here is that Starcraft2Con (Kespa2.0) is hurting E-Sports in the Long run by not allowing the Koreans to Come over and compete in the NASL

This is basically a business move on Starcraft2Cons part

They want the Money to Stay in Korea for GomTV/GSL Its so Obvious. Many have pointed this out Already in the Thread.

Does anyone else disagree with this because it seems that would be the only Reason Mr Chae and/or Starcraft2Con would do such a thing.



I honestly can't claim to know what SC2Con's purpose is. They seem to be lately making some pretty rash and strange decisions. And they do seem to be acting a lot like KESPA. The lack of honoring contracts is perhaps the worst and most dangerous part of all of this.

However, I just want to stand up for Mr.Chae. He is simply a mediator between NASL and SC2Con at the moment. He actually stated that he does not agree with SC2Con's decision and has argued on NASL's behalf.
Slider954
Profile Joined March 2011
United States342 Posts
August 13 2011 02:58 GMT
#3239
On August 13 2011 11:53 Sein wrote:
Can we please wait a few days until SC2Con releases their official statement? We've had quite a few memorable cases of two sides presenting different "facts" in the past few weeks. ThisIsGame isn't directly affiliated with SC2Con, so the article from there is just a personal opinion of a journalist.



Actually the guy who wrote that article is member of SC2Con, so while it might not be an official statement, its the closest thing we have to one for right now.
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XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-13 03:01:04
August 13 2011 02:59 GMT
#3240
On August 13 2011 11:50 Blasphemi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2011 11:42 XRaDiiX wrote:
Or It Could be that the Korean Teams are afraid they will get another player sniped Like EG got Puma.

Although i Don't think EG was in the wrong for doing what they did.

Look In Reality It doesn't matter if Boxer Declined as well i think the underlying issue is that Starcraft2Con (Kespa 2.0) Feels threatened by NASL and decided to not allow the Koreans To go so they could captilize on having most of the Korean games in the GSL.

So they GSL can attain more fans/subsribers = more $$$ to GomTv/GSL instead of NASL

Because Fans might be tempted to buy GSL season now because they are restricting foreigners to some foreign Tournamnents.

IMO this is one big conspiracy and its not so hard to see Starcraft2Con(Mr Chae's) (Kespa 2.0) Devious Plans.

They want the Money to stay in Korea and they will do things that hurt E-Sports to keep it that way.

IMO this hurts the entire community and Global E-Sports for Sc2 in the Long run..

Sad to see

All this is doing is Dividing the Community and Increasing Division.

The Sc2 Community should not succumb to Greed and do whats best for the Players(Pro)/Fans First.

Not whats best for Kespa 2.0 and the managers Team owners.

Stupidest post ever. Mr chae has nothing to do with sc2 con. Sc2 con IS the managers and sc2 teams don't have owners. They are owned by their players. Sc2 con is nothing like kespa it's just guys like thewind trying to look out for the players not phone company bosses protecting financial interests. Please stop embarrassing yourself and tl with your total lack of knowledge about anything.


What exact position Does Mr Chae have with Sc2 Con and what is his involvement then with Sc2Con

Kinda Fishy he is the Speaker for SC2 Con.

what? Yeah but you say its "stupidest Post ever" When you came to no Critical thinking when trying to dissect my post.

Its obvious here Starcraft2Con is becoming Kespa 2.0 Especially with this rash move.
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