Korean teams withdraw from NASL - Page 165

On August 13 2011 15:29 Slider954 wrote:



Thats the thing though. They did make them an offer that they didn't refuse. They signed contracts agreeing to the terms set forth by NASL. Then they decided they weren't going to honor those contracts and pulled out after they had already started filming. If they couldn't afford to send their players or weren't happy with match times, lag, etc they should have never signed the contracts.
So it's not a matter of making them an offer they couldn't refuse. Its a matter of them saying yes and then going back on their word.

On August 13 2011 11:59 FidoDido wrote:

By the way, for those of you don't know. Mr.Chae is NOT the head of SC2Con. That position belongs to TSL' coach Mr.Won.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252847

On August 13 2011 15:49 thepuppyassassin wrote:



From what I recall from the article I don't think there were any definite contracts set in place. There were a "list of demands" (<- what is SC2Con a bunch of bandits? lol) and a counteroffer with the intent to compromise. Whether or not that compromise was acceptable to SC2Con should have been followed up upon by the NASL administrators as they are the tournament organizers (and it should have been in writing). Instead it sounded like they simply assumed the terms would be satisfactory. . An offer that wasn't refused is not an offer that can't be refused.. kapeesh? lol

On August 13 2011 14:16 tripper688 wrote:


It has nothing to do with race, they just try harder, care more, and stay committed to being better RTS gamers than their peers. As a whole, the foreign SC2 scene is falling further and further behind in skill right now compared to the Koreans. Yes that includes EU and NA. The only way to lessen that is to work with the Koreans in order to expose foreigners to more of their scene and competition. Otherwise you get this:

Koreans own white dudes.

And unless your goal is to completely block off tournaments from Korea, once that skill gap reaches a certain extent, it becomes kind of hopeless for foreigners and foreign teams to participate just to get a top 10-15 spot. Remember if the scene starts dying in Korea, the only thing they will do is commit harder to where the money is...here.

On August 12 2011 08:22 On_Slaught wrote:
This is awful news. Ofc it hurts when the best players don't participate in a league.

I suppose we get to see more foreign heros then...

On August 13 2011 13:27 Roxy wrote:
NASL could have acted more tactfully in this release (sounds whiny)

Korean's sound like whiny bitches, but I havn't done the math here

This is business, and they can;t be expected to do anything that is not worth their time (as time is money)

They must feel like the benefits of not attending NASL outweigh the costs of not attending.

Whether or not this is correct, I can respect them if they have done their due dilligence in determining if this is a worthwhile venture for them.

I bought a premium pass last season.
Will not be purchasing a pass this season (will probably not even watch at all this season)
I made this decision prior to this news release.
I would not have changed my mind because of this news release if I had initially intended to watch.

On August 13 2011 16:53 4ZakeN87 wrote:
I dont think this is such a big problem, in a way it make the tournament more interestring.

Everyone talks about the finals, but there is a 10 weeks tournament going up to the finals. I mean with 16+ top koreans in the ladder those weeks where likely to be boring as hell. I mean sure there would be high quality games but how relevant would they be? I mean almost all the koreans would make it through anyway. Even if Polt would lose to say Puma, do you think this would end up costing Polt his spot in the final? Most likely not. The rest of tournament would be a lot of completly one sided games.

Compare to MLG, what are the 2 first days about? Korean ass-kicking foreigners (=boring games), and then we can at the end of the second day conclude which of the foreigners that is likely to take the amazing 8th place. So for those that are interested to watch foreigners that is pretty much end of tournament. For those watching for the sake of the koreans they can tune in at the beginning of 3 day when the real tournament starts.

In NASL we would have exactly the same situation, only that instead of going on for 2 days it would have been 10 weeks. I guess some of the 19 Koreans would´nt make it to the finals, but is that really so interesting you want to look for 10 weeks just to decided which of the 3-4 koreans that missed the finals? I mean espically when both Thorzain and Naniwa dropped there spots, 2 of the very few foreigners that have any chanse of making a breakthrough amongst the Koreans.

Now it will be a lot more open, although I think all the remaining koreans will go to the finals. I wonder which players that will take free slots though. I really dont hope a bunch of B-class NA players take the places though when there is a lot more talent out there. Cant they invite Nerchio, Stephano or Major or someone along those lines. Cant bother to watch Machine, Kawaii and Catz getting 1-9 for 10 weeks.

On August 13 2011 16:11 Slider954 wrote:



Here you go:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253928&currentpage=18#345

As you can see, there were definite contracts set in place. The list of demands and counter offers came AFTER the contracts had been signed. I'm pretty sure the contracts were in writing. And again the offer wasn't, can't or however the hell you want say it, refused. It was accepted.

On August 13 2011 19:08 KeksX wrote:

Sorry, but thats a horrible move by the NASL.
I was thinking about buying a ticket but now that there will be only boring games I won't even watch the free streams...