EPTKorean teams withdraw from NASL - Page 167
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Pineapple01610
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cheggelund
Norway131 Posts
All those people on here that are saying "this sucks, I won't watch NASL" are hurting the game we all love as well as the growth of e-sports. Keep in mind there will still be Koreans, top EU players and top NA players. I have no doubt that we will have great games and see wonderful individual performances. This actually opens the field and makes the tournament less predictable. E-sports is right at the cusp of becoming a viable industry in this country, and I will do my best to show my support. | ||
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lunchforthesky
United Kingdom967 Posts
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akalarry
United States1978 Posts
honestly, i think nasl needs to rework it's tournament format, and almost everything about it. (not saying what the koreans did was right). if boxer doesn't want to come back, then there's probably something that has to be fixed. from what i can gather from this thread, naniwa and thorzain don't want to participate either. why such a big first prize? you're giving it to 1 person, who probably isn't putting it back into the sc2 scene. let's say first prize is 50k (i'm not sure, but probably somewhere around mid-high 5 figures). I'm pretty sure that everyone would still play in NASL if first prize was 30 grand. Rework the prize distribution too, so that people further down the placing gets more money. See that's around 10-20 thousand dollars they can spend on advertisement, good PRODUCTION, and subsidizing travel costs. The perfect definition of NASL season 1 was amateur. Everything about it seemed like it was done by some noob. They should spend more money (or make use of it) to make their production up to par with the likes of GSL, MLG...etc Also grand finals tournament structure needs to be fixed SO badly. boxer comes to california, getting knocked out by MC in a best of 3. Well, now what? Such a waste of time for a lot of these players. Ret comes from the netherlands, only to play one best of 3 and then gets to sit idly for the next few days. For the security deposit, 500 dollars per person is a lot for a team. If team PRIME wants 5 of their players to participate in the tournament, then they have to fork up 2500 dollars up front. Thats not chump change, and they dont get it back for 5 months. Why would their sponsors (a korean chicken restaurant) want to pay for it? It's not like it'll help sales in Korea, when they can spend money sponsoring them for the GSL. In addition, let the koreans play at much better time. it's even uncessary for them to play at 2 am. Is the reason REALLY so that the casters can cast them live? Who the fuck cares? Just cast them off replays and make everyone happy. I honestly doubt that viewers will care, let alone notice. To us, it's not even live anyways. Americans can play at 8 am, koreans play at 12 am. Even better, Americans can play at 8 PM, and koreans play at 12 PM. 10 PM for Americans (sounds perfect) and 2 pm for koreans | ||
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Auross
Brazil104 Posts
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On August 14 2011 00:48 cheggelund wrote: I will also buy a ticket still. All those people on here that are saying "this sucks, I won't watch NASL" are hurting the game we all love as well as the growth of e-sports. Keep in mind there will still be Koreans, top EU players and top NA players. I have no doubt that we will have great games and see wonderful individual performances. This actually opens the field and makes the tournament less predictable. E-sports is right at the cusp of becoming a viable industry in this country, and I will do my best to show my support. So tired of this "killing esports" shit everyone is sprouting. There's enough tournaments around to ignore NASL and still support other projects. I bought last season but never watched any of the regular season games because to me watching the GSL is more interesting. Might watch the final of NASL but the league play is long and quite bland. | ||
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RumZ
United States956 Posts
Would be a fun trip for the North Americans interested in going there for the first time, and they would get to see a sweet tournament. | ||
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BackSideAttack
1103 Posts
On August 14 2011 00:51 karpo wrote: So tired of this "killing esports" shit everyone is sprouting. There's enough tournaments around to ignore NASL and still support other projects. I bought last season but never watched any of the regular season games because to me watching the GSL is more interesting. Might watch the final of NASL but the league play is long and quite bland. agree, there are plenty of other tournaments. I am definitely going to be spending my NASL dollars on MLG and GSL now. | ||
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whateverpeeps
United States214 Posts
On August 13 2011 21:36 Dracolich70 wrote: I see it like this: NASL: We want to invite the koreans, they will lift our tournament. Koreans: We would like to come over, but we would like to be compensated. NASL: Sure, we will give you 500 dollars per player. Koreans: Okay, great. We really want to go. Meanwhile in Korean after NASL: Its really big over there, lots of people. Lots of money involved. We are the attraction. We ought to get our share of this, as it costs us to go there, and they get all the benefits of us being there. And they are richer than we are... Next NASL... Koreans: We are the attraction. We want our costs covered. NASL: Sure. I see that we really need you, so we are offering twice the amount of last time. We will give you 1000 dollars per player this time. Koreans: But we are the attraction, and one of the reasons why you scoop lots of money and get better sponsorships. We are the stars, we feel we should be treated as such. NASL: True that. Sorry. How about 2000 then? Koreans: Ah so you really could give more, but try to be greedy. We are the attraction, and feel we shouldn't pay at all. You do not seem to get our position and value for your existence. We don't need you, you need us, and you try to be greedy about that fact. There are other tournaments. See if you can survive without us, and come back when you learn to treat us like stars of the tournament. NASL to crowd: We tried our best. We showed great willingness to get the Koreans here, but for some odd reason they rejected everything. We do not understand why. Please sympathize with us, and support us. Crowd cries: Oh no koreans, then who cares about the tournament? NASL: Shit. We fucked up. That's how I see it, except for the very last line. I think if you read OP, it seems that NASL has reach the max it could afford to give. So I think the last line would be something like, "Well that sucks." And that's what it really is. It really sucks for everybody. NASL, the fans, foreign tournament organizers, and yes, even the players. Because you know what, if Korea is in that bad of a shape money-wise, then they need NASL for Western exposure and Western sponsors. They should be participating in every tournament they can get their hands on; and with NASL having the biggest prize pool and covering most of the costs...it makes zero sense why not participate. | ||
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karpo
Sweden1998 Posts
On August 14 2011 01:17 whateverpeeps wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 13 2011 21:36 Dracolich70 wrote: I see it like this: NASL: We want to invite the koreans, they will lift our tournament. Koreans: We would like to come over, but we would like to be compensated. NASL: Sure, we will give you 500 dollars per player. Koreans: Okay, great. We really want to go. Meanwhile in Korean after NASL: Its really big over there, lots of people. Lots of money involved. We are the attraction. We ought to get our share of this, as it costs us to go there, and they get all the benefits of us being there. And they are richer than we are... Next NASL... Koreans: We are the attraction. We want our costs covered. NASL: Sure. I see that we really need you, so we are offering twice the amount of last time. We will give you 1000 dollars per player this time. Koreans: But we are the attraction, and one of the reasons why you scoop lots of money and get better sponsorships. We are the stars, we feel we should be treated as such. NASL: True that. Sorry. How about 2000 then? Koreans: Ah so you really could give more, but try to be greedy. We are the attraction, and feel we shouldn't pay at all. You do not seem to get our position and value for your existence. We don't need you, you need us, and you try to be greedy about that fact. There are other tournaments. See if you can survive without us, and come back when you learn to treat us like stars of the tournament. NASL to crowd: We tried our best. We showed great willingness to get the Koreans here, but for some odd reason they rejected everything. We do not understand why. Please sympathize with us, and support us. Crowd cries: Oh no koreans, then who cares about the tournament? NASL: Shit. We fucked up. That's how I see it, except for the very last line. I think if you read OP, it seems that NASL has reach the max it could afford to give. So I think the last line would be something like, "Well that sucks." And that's what it really is. It really sucks for everybody. NASL, the fans, foreign tournament organizers, and yes, even the players. Because you know what, if Korea is in that bad of a shape money-wise, then they need NASL for Western exposure and Western sponsors. They should be participating in every tournament they can get their hands on; and with NASL having the biggest prize pool and covering most of the costs...it makes zero sense why not participate. It's not just money. It's scheduling, deposits and probably the fact that they are scared of player sniping too now after last NASL. | ||
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Silent331
United States356 Posts
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Figgy
Canada1788 Posts
1st: Koreans play a horrible times, this alone screws up what is most important in the first place, their actually KOREAN practice. 2nd: You have to pay a $500 security deposit that you don't see for another 5 months, if at all 3rd: $2000 (If nasl is even being truthful about this new amount) DOES NOT pay for their trip! The plane ticket alone is probably around $1200. This doesn't include the visa, this doesn't include the hotels. If you are knocked out in the BO3, you are LOSING money. Even if you make your trip exactly $2000 somehow, it goes onto the next point 4th: You are playing for an extremely small amount of time.Knocked out in first round? Not only are you out a ton of $$, but you just spent a week in North America doing dick all. You could have been at home practicing, or having a nice relaxing vacation somewhere else you'd rather be. There is a reason Koreans are signing up for MLG left and right, and paying their own trips. First and formost, the koreans that are invited to MLG have their trips paid for them. Period. This alone gives them incentive to come. As well, the koreans are paying their own cash to show up! Because they actually get to play the damn game when they arrive (outside Alica, lolol) | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
EDIT: Plus no one complained about last season, and now NASL is QUADRUPLING their compensation for korean players. It's still not enough? | ||
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akalarry
United States1978 Posts
To the conspiracy theorists saying they don't want their players to get poached, or they don't want to show their games outside of Korea. Koreans still participate in a lot of other foreign tournaments. MLG even releases hundreds of replays of Koreans, and that didn't stop them from playing. Not only that, but there were Koreans that had to pay for their own trip to MLG for a chance at less money. This is obviously not about travel costs. | ||
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jungsu
United States279 Posts
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akalarry
United States1978 Posts
On August 14 2011 02:00 jungsu wrote: If they're going to cast from replays, why don't they play at a time more agreeable to two people in different countries than 4am? Probably already thought of, but my two cents. from what i read, it's casted live. but when they stream it, it's not live. kinda dumb right? might as well cast it from replays and let the players play at a more reasonable time. i doubt the viewers care that it was casted from replay... | ||
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thebearot
Canada6 Posts
Perhaps this is another chance to re-work the roaster and get players such as Dimega, Naniwa and Thorzain back for season 2??! :D (Destiny as well?!) The Koreans' top players are no doubt better than NA or EU's "at the moment" but that doesn't mean the majority of the viewers like to see them dominating the roaster and/or the finals. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On August 14 2011 00:57 RumZ wrote: Why not have the Grand Finals in Korea? Would be a fun trip for the North Americans interested in going there for the first time, and they would get to see a sweet tournament. Because it's a North American production and shipping everything over to Korea wouldn't be very productive for the scene here. All the really awesome, loud fans that even the Koreans speak well of would be sitting in the US with their arms crossed at their inability to attend the event, while most Korean fans would likely be less interested in the NASL, particularly since it would likely be unable to match the GSL's production without a lot of help in an unfamiliar setting. This seems like an absolutely terrible idea, foreign fans are one of the main thing lauded in regards to foreign events, moving the production to Korea would be a huge lay-down. I'm glad the NASL is standing it's ground. However, it is interesting that even Korean teams that aren't part of the restriction have withdrawn. I guess it's just not the right format for them, and the time can genuinely be a pain in the ass. Also, I do think the format for the NASL is idiotic in that it's restrictive for no additional benefits. It's cast live and then goes through post production before being shown. Why not just cast from replays at an agreeable time instead of doing it all live? It's not being shown live anyways, the whole pump up for live games is that the game is happening right now, as you watch it(Maybe with a few minutes of stream delay), if you're not going to do that, what is the point of casting the games as they're happening? I can't really think of any real advantage. As long as you don't fall further than a week behind, there shouldn't be an issue, people don't like seeing month old games but right now, the way the NASL goes about production makes absolutely zero sense. | ||
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Nikota
United States12 Posts
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Daniel C
Hong Kong1606 Posts
On August 14 2011 01:37 wei2coolman wrote: I guess MC really regretted making that 25k as a second place winner.... EDIT: Plus no one complained about last season, and now NASL is QUADRUPLING their compensation for korean players. It's still not enough? 1. They didn't quadruple their compensation, they only doubled the travel stipend to $1000, and that's for everyone, not just Korean players. 2. The remaining $1000 comes from the guaranteed $1000 prize money for a Ro16 finish (up from $500). So it's not really "compensation". | ||
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