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Sina92
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden1303 Posts
August 13 2011 17:45 GMT
#3341
so NASL will be like watching a Go4SC2 cup now lol, only with higher ping between the players. No thx.
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Grr Arr Rawr
Profile Joined April 2011
United States108 Posts
August 13 2011 18:32 GMT
#3342
On August 14 2011 02:44 Daniel C wrote:
2. The remaining $1000 comes from the guaranteed $1000 prize money for a Ro16 finish (up from $500). So it's not really "compensation".


How is it not? It's guaranteed money, and a concession made purely to to make the tournament more viable for players that otherwise struggle with the flight costs.

Let me put this another way:

At a 16-player Finals, with $1,000 travel stipends available for all qualifying players, the NASL is willing to spend $16k just to bring people to the Finals. For comparison, THE TOTAL PRIZEPOOL OF MLG IS $14k. That's in ADDITION to the $100,000 prizepool for NASL.

Jesus, people. How much more money do you think NASL's backer(s) should throw at this thing?

Some of you people are just seriously freaking clueless.
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jackthelad
Profile Joined August 2011
6 Posts
August 13 2011 18:33 GMT
#3343
The NASL are light-weights. Its nothing to do with the actual deal, its because they pubically share details of the negotiations. Has anyone else realised just how bad that is? The Koreans must think they're dealing with a bunch of school kids. The NASL really has lost any moral, ethical or commerical high ground by doing that. We're talking about business dealings here. if contracts were actually in place they'd possibly be exposed to litigation by such behaviour. Seriously, think about it...that press release was the work of a sulking chlid! The NASL has a lot of growing up to do. Who cares if the koreans are in it or not...the koreans don't need it, anymore than the US NBA basketball teams need to go and play in Outer Mongolia's basketball competition.
Zeke50100
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2220 Posts
August 13 2011 18:42 GMT
#3344
Everybody who is saying the Koreans were being unreasonable have never tried to travel from Korea to the US, nor have they tried playing against NA players while in Korea.
akalarry
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1978 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-13 18:44:37
August 13 2011 18:43 GMT
#3345
On August 14 2011 03:32 Grr Arr Rawr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 02:44 Daniel C wrote:
2. The remaining $1000 comes from the guaranteed $1000 prize money for a Ro16 finish (up from $500). So it's not really "compensation".


How is it not? It's guaranteed money, and a concession made purely to to make the tournament more viable for players that otherwise struggle with the flight costs.

Let me put this another way:

At a 16-player Finals, with $1,000 travel stipends available for all qualifying players, the NASL is willing to spend $16k just to bring people to the Finals. For comparison, THE TOTAL PRIZEPOOL OF MLG IS $14k. That's in ADDITION to the $100,000 prizepool for NASL.

Jesus, people. How much more money do you think NASL's backer(s) should throw at this thing?

Some of you people are just seriously freaking clueless.


If they are willing to go to mlg or dreamhack for way less money, then OBVIOUSLY the reason they aren't willing to participate in NASL is some other reason. They aren't stupid you know.
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-13 18:47:44
August 13 2011 18:44 GMT
#3346
On August 14 2011 03:33 jackthelad wrote:
The NASL are light-weights. Its nothing to do with the actual deal, its because they pubically share details of the negotiations. Has anyone else realised just how bad that is? The Koreans must think they're dealing with a bunch of school kids. The NASL really has lost any moral, ethical or commerical high ground by doing that. We're talking about business dealings here. if contracts were actually in place they'd possibly be exposed to litigation by such behaviour. Seriously, think about it...that press release was the work of a sulking chlid! The NASL has a lot of growing up to do. Who cares if the koreans are in it or not...the koreans don't need it, anymore than the US NBA basketball teams need to go and play in Outer Mongolia's basketball competition.


What the flying fuck are you talking about? There were contracts in place, but they aren't pursuing legal action thus far. What would you rather they do?

"Hey guys, Koreans decided to peace out, can't tell you why!"

Obviously they have to explain the goings on behind the decision for the Koreans to withdraw or else everyone is confused and speculation will run rampant.

Your reasoning makes absolutely no sense.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 13 2011 18:44 GMT
#3347
On August 14 2011 03:33 jackthelad wrote:
The NASL are light-weights. Its nothing to do with the actual deal, its because they pubically share details of the negotiations. Has anyone else realised just how bad that is? The Koreans must think they're dealing with a bunch of school kids. The NASL really has lost any moral, ethical or commerical high ground by doing that. We're talking about business dealings here. if contracts were actually in place they'd possibly be exposed to litigation by such behaviour. Seriously, think about it...that press release was the work of a sulking chlid! The NASL has a lot of growing up to do. Who cares if the koreans are in it or not...the koreans don't need it, anymore than the US NBA basketball teams need to go and play in Outer Mongolia's basketball competition.



Really hope you're trolling.
jackthelad
Profile Joined August 2011
6 Posts
August 13 2011 18:47 GMT
#3348
On August 14 2011 03:44 Mordiford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 03:33 jackthelad wrote:
The NASL are light-weights. Its nothing to do with the actual deal, its because they pubically share details of the negotiations. Has anyone else realised just how bad that is? The Koreans must think they're dealing with a bunch of school kids. The NASL really has lost any moral, ethical or commerical high ground by doing that. We're talking about business dealings here. if contracts were actually in place they'd possibly be exposed to litigation by such behaviour. Seriously, think about it...that press release was the work of a sulking chlid! The NASL has a lot of growing up to do. Who cares if the koreans are in it or not...the koreans don't need it, anymore than the US NBA basketball teams need to go and play in Outer Mongolia's basketball competition.


What the flying fuck are you talking about? There were contracts in place, but they aren't pursuing legal action thus far. What you rather they do?

"Hey guys, Koreans decided to peace out, can't tell you why!"

Obviously they have to explain the goings on behind the decision for the Koreans to withdraw or else everyone is confused and speculation will run rampant.

Your reasoning makes absolutely no sense.


I'm talking about the fact that you dont make details of negotiations public just because you didn't get what you wanted. This common business sense. even if things fall apart and you walk away from each other, you should still have the decency to respect the privacy of the negotiations. To me this proves the NASL are light-weights, is there anyone with any business acumen in that organisation?
gehgrfhgrh
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany294 Posts
August 13 2011 18:47 GMT
#3349
I really fells like NASL is run by a bunch of students out of a garage. They wanted to create a big tournament and announced a huge prizepool to attract koreans and to hype it all up - but it failed horrible and now they don't have the money/sponsors they thought they would have.
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Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-13 18:49:40
August 13 2011 18:48 GMT
#3350
On August 14 2011 03:47 jackthelad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 03:44 Mordiford wrote:
On August 14 2011 03:33 jackthelad wrote:
The NASL are light-weights. Its nothing to do with the actual deal, its because they pubically share details of the negotiations. Has anyone else realised just how bad that is? The Koreans must think they're dealing with a bunch of school kids. The NASL really has lost any moral, ethical or commerical high ground by doing that. We're talking about business dealings here. if contracts were actually in place they'd possibly be exposed to litigation by such behaviour. Seriously, think about it...that press release was the work of a sulking chlid! The NASL has a lot of growing up to do. Who cares if the koreans are in it or not...the koreans don't need it, anymore than the US NBA basketball teams need to go and play in Outer Mongolia's basketball competition.


What the flying fuck are you talking about? There were contracts in place, but they aren't pursuing legal action thus far. What you rather they do?

"Hey guys, Koreans decided to peace out, can't tell you why!"

Obviously they have to explain the goings on behind the decision for the Koreans to withdraw or else everyone is confused and speculation will run rampant.

Your reasoning makes absolutely no sense.


I'm talking about the fact that you dont make details of negotiations public just because you didn't get what you wanted. This common business sense. even if things fall apart and you walk away from each other, you should still have the decency to respect the privacy of the negotiations. To me this proves the NASL are light-weights, is there anyone with any business acumen in that organisation?


Once again, what was the other option?

"The Koreans left, we can't tell you why, they just left because they didn't want to compete in our league"

Speculation would run rampant and you'd have an even bigger shitstorm on your hand.

I hope to heaven you're trolling.
RumZ
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States956 Posts
August 13 2011 18:51 GMT
#3351
On August 14 2011 02:22 Mordiford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 00:57 RumZ wrote:
Why not have the Grand Finals in Korea?

Would be a fun trip for the North Americans interested in going there for the first time, and they would get to see a sweet tournament.


Because it's a North American production and shipping everything over to Korea wouldn't be very productive for the scene here. All the really awesome, loud fans that even the Koreans speak well of would be sitting in the US with their arms crossed at their inability to attend the event, while most Korean fans would likely be less interested in the NASL, particularly since it would likely be unable to match the GSL's production without a lot of help in an unfamiliar setting.

This seems like an absolutely terrible idea, foreign fans are one of the main thing lauded in regards to foreign events, moving the production to Korea would be a huge lay-down. I'm glad the NASL is standing it's ground.

However, it is interesting that even Korean teams that aren't part of the restriction have withdrawn. I guess it's just not the right format for them, and the time can genuinely be a pain in the ass.

Also, I do think the format for the NASL is idiotic in that it's restrictive for no additional benefits. It's cast live and then goes through post production before being shown. Why not just cast from replays at an agreeable time instead of doing it all live? It's not being shown live anyways, the whole pump up for live games is that the game is happening right now, as you watch it(Maybe with a few minutes of stream delay), if you're not going to do that, what is the point of casting the games as they're happening? I can't really think of any real advantage.

As long as you don't fall further than a week behind, there shouldn't be an issue, people don't like seeing month old games but right now, the way the NASL goes about production makes absolutely zero sense.


You're actually on point with this. Withdraw my statement and suggestion please, it's awful.


But the production of NASL still needs work.
Grr Arr Rawr
Profile Joined April 2011
United States108 Posts
August 13 2011 18:52 GMT
#3352
On August 14 2011 03:43 akalarry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 03:32 Grr Arr Rawr wrote:
On August 14 2011 02:44 Daniel C wrote:
2. The remaining $1000 comes from the guaranteed $1000 prize money for a Ro16 finish (up from $500). So it's not really "compensation".


How is it not? It's guaranteed money, and a concession made purely to to make the tournament more viable for players that otherwise struggle with the flight costs.

Let me put this another way:

At a 16-player Finals, with $1,000 travel stipends available for all qualifying players, the NASL is willing to spend $16k just to bring people to the Finals. For comparison, THE TOTAL PRIZEPOOL OF MLG IS $14k. That's in ADDITION to the $100,000 prizepool for NASL.

Jesus, people. How much more money do you think NASL's backer(s) should throw at this thing?

Some of you people are just seriously freaking clueless.


If they are willing to go to mlg or dreamhack for way less money, then OBVIOUSLY the reason they aren't willing to participate in NASL is some other reason. They aren't stupid you know.



What does that have to do with what I said? I was purely addressing the throngs of drooling idiots talking about the money/travel stuff.
You can't rhyme against the dark side of the Force, why even bother? So many dudes been with your mom, who even KNOWS if I'm your father!
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
August 13 2011 19:07 GMT
#3353
On August 14 2011 03:47 gehgrfhgrh wrote:
I really fells like NASL is run by a bunch of students out of a garage. They wanted to create a big tournament and announced a huge prizepool to attract koreans and to hype it all up - but it failed horrible and now they don't have the money/sponsors they thought they would have.



Lol how has NASL "failed horribly"? Are you saying it's NASL's fault the Koreans are withdrawing because NASL doesn't have enough money? I really have to question your critical thinking skills.
jackthelad
Profile Joined August 2011
6 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-13 19:10:57
August 13 2011 19:10 GMT
#3354
On August 14 2011 03:48 Mordiford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 03:47 jackthelad wrote:
On August 14 2011 03:44 Mordiford wrote:
On August 14 2011 03:33 jackthelad wrote:
The NASL are light-weights. Its nothing to do with the actual deal, its because they pubically share details of the negotiations. Has anyone else realised just how bad that is? The Koreans must think they're dealing with a bunch of school kids. The NASL really has lost any moral, ethical or commerical high ground by doing that. We're talking about business dealings here. if contracts were actually in place they'd possibly be exposed to litigation by such behaviour. Seriously, think about it...that press release was the work of a sulking chlid! The NASL has a lot of growing up to do. Who cares if the koreans are in it or not...the koreans don't need it, anymore than the US NBA basketball teams need to go and play in Outer Mongolia's basketball competition.


What the flying fuck are you talking about? There were contracts in place, but they aren't pursuing legal action thus far. What you rather they do?

"Hey guys, Koreans decided to peace out, can't tell you why!"

Obviously they have to explain the goings on behind the decision for the Koreans to withdraw or else everyone is confused and speculation will run rampant.

Your reasoning makes absolutely no sense.


I'm talking about the fact that you dont make details of negotiations public just because you didn't get what you wanted. This common business sense. even if things fall apart and you walk away from each other, you should still have the decency to respect the privacy of the negotiations. To me this proves the NASL are light-weights, is there anyone with any business acumen in that organisation?


Once again, what was the other option?

"The Koreans left, we can't tell you why, they just left because they didn't want to compete in our league"

Speculation would run rampant and you'd have an even bigger shitstorm on your hand.

I hope to heaven you're trolling.


Not trolling, just expressing my opinion that the NASL are wrong to release those details. . I wonder if the contracts had confidentiality clauses in them? guess we'll never know, unless the NASL decides to make those public as well next time they get upset. Seriously, am I the only one that realises that was a really bad look? maybe I am. thats cool. But organisations that deal with the NASL now need to be aware that their negotiations might be made public. Sponsors beware also... I dont think the big corporates will take that kind of crap lightly. Could be their days are numbered unless they get some maturity in the management team...
Synche
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1345 Posts
August 13 2011 19:12 GMT
#3355
If you can criticize the NASL then you can criticize the SC2Con for being just as unprofessional in breach of contract. There's plenty of blame to go around, and SC2Con deserves more of it IMO.
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-13 19:18:45
August 13 2011 19:16 GMT
#3356
On August 14 2011 03:47 jackthelad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 03:44 Mordiford wrote:
On August 14 2011 03:33 jackthelad wrote:
The NASL are light-weights. Its nothing to do with the actual deal, its because they pubically share details of the negotiations. Has anyone else realised just how bad that is? The Koreans must think they're dealing with a bunch of school kids. The NASL really has lost any moral, ethical or commerical high ground by doing that. We're talking about business dealings here. if contracts were actually in place they'd possibly be exposed to litigation by such behaviour. Seriously, think about it...that press release was the work of a sulking chlid! The NASL has a lot of growing up to do. Who cares if the koreans are in it or not...the koreans don't need it, anymore than the US NBA basketball teams need to go and play in Outer Mongolia's basketball competition.


What the flying fuck are you talking about? There were contracts in place, but they aren't pursuing legal action thus far. What you rather they do?

"Hey guys, Koreans decided to peace out, can't tell you why!"

Obviously they have to explain the goings on behind the decision for the Koreans to withdraw or else everyone is confused and speculation will run rampant.

Your reasoning makes absolutely no sense.


I'm talking about the fact that you dont make details of negotiations public just because you didn't get what you wanted. This common business sense. even if things fall apart and you walk away from each other, you should still have the decency to respect the privacy of the negotiations. To me this proves the NASL are light-weights, is there anyone with any business acumen in that organisation?


There were very little negotiations to begin with. NASL just reported facts.

And prey tell me, how professional or 'heavy-weight' is signing a contract and then breaking it just as the league is about to begin. SC2Con are the amateurs here, not NASL.

edit: and dont bold things if you got nothing important to say.
Grr Arr Rawr
Profile Joined April 2011
United States108 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-13 19:30:04
August 13 2011 19:29 GMT
#3357
On August 14 2011 04:10 jackthelad wrote:
But organisations that deal with the NASL now need to be aware that their negotiations might be made public. Sponsors beware also... I dont think the big corporates will take that kind of crap lightly. Could be their days are numbered unless they get some maturity in the management team...


Yeah, guys, he's actually right about that.

Noone will want to deal with NASL knowing what happens if you break a contract with them.

...

...

...
You can't rhyme against the dark side of the Force, why even bother? So many dudes been with your mom, who even KNOWS if I'm your father!
whateverpeeps
Profile Joined August 2011
United States214 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-13 19:35:27
August 13 2011 19:35 GMT
#3358
On August 14 2011 04:10 jackthelad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 03:48 Mordiford wrote:
On August 14 2011 03:47 jackthelad wrote:
On August 14 2011 03:44 Mordiford wrote:
On August 14 2011 03:33 jackthelad wrote:
The NASL are light-weights. Its nothing to do with the actual deal, its because they pubically share details of the negotiations. Has anyone else realised just how bad that is? The Koreans must think they're dealing with a bunch of school kids. The NASL really has lost any moral, ethical or commerical high ground by doing that. We're talking about business dealings here. if contracts were actually in place they'd possibly be exposed to litigation by such behaviour. Seriously, think about it...that press release was the work of a sulking chlid! The NASL has a lot of growing up to do. Who cares if the koreans are in it or not...the koreans don't need it, anymore than the US NBA basketball teams need to go and play in Outer Mongolia's basketball competition.


What the flying fuck are you talking about? There were contracts in place, but they aren't pursuing legal action thus far. What you rather they do?

"Hey guys, Koreans decided to peace out, can't tell you why!"

Obviously they have to explain the goings on behind the decision for the Koreans to withdraw or else everyone is confused and speculation will run rampant.

Your reasoning makes absolutely no sense.


I'm talking about the fact that you dont make details of negotiations public just because you didn't get what you wanted. This common business sense. even if things fall apart and you walk away from each other, you should still have the decency to respect the privacy of the negotiations. To me this proves the NASL are light-weights, is there anyone with any business acumen in that organisation?


Once again, what was the other option?

"The Koreans left, we can't tell you why, they just left because they didn't want to compete in our league"

Speculation would run rampant and you'd have an even bigger shitstorm on your hand.

I hope to heaven you're trolling.


Not trolling, just expressing my opinion that the NASL are wrong to release those details. . I wonder if the contracts had confidentiality clauses in them? guess we'll never know, unless the NASL decides to make those public as well next time they get upset. Seriously, am I the only one that realises that was a really bad look? maybe I am. thats cool. But organisations that deal with the NASL now need to be aware that their negotiations might be made public. Sponsors beware also... I dont think the big corporates will take that kind of crap lightly. Could be their days are numbered unless they get some maturity in the management team...


They didn't release contractual details, they released details of negotiations, and I think they were perfectly right to do so. How do you know they've released all the details? For all we know, they could have only released the bare minimum required to understand the situation.

I don't want to use the word obligated, but I think it is good that they have expressed the situation to the public. You ahve to remember that many people are fans of NASL and have preordered season 2 tickets...this is something they would want to know about, and would want to know why it's happening and what the NASL did to prevent it.

I dont' want to jump to conclusions, but I feel like you're angry about the backlash people have against SC2Con and are blaming it on NASL doing what it should have done...in which case, I ask you the question, don't you think SC2Con deserves a lot of the negative feedback? Is it not possible that they are conducting themselves in an unprofessional way by signing contracts and pulling out last minute, causing great damage to the NASL tournament and its viewers?

I mean, I'm all for this let's not turn this into a hate-fest, but sometimes you have to call a spade a spade. I think NASL released a fairly objective statement, maybe with 1-2 words that could have been changed. But if Sc2Con looks bad, maybe it's because they were bad?
whateverpeeps
Profile Joined August 2011
United States214 Posts
August 13 2011 19:37 GMT
#3359
On August 14 2011 04:29 Grr Arr Rawr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2011 04:10 jackthelad wrote:
But organisations that deal with the NASL now need to be aware that their negotiations might be made public. Sponsors beware also... I dont think the big corporates will take that kind of crap lightly. Could be their days are numbered unless they get some maturity in the management team...


Yeah, guys, he's actually right about that.

Noone will want to deal with NASL knowing what happens if you break a contract with them.

...

...

...


No, he's not right. There is almost always an official statement following any two companies' separation. It is not unheard of...it's actually the most common practice. It's unheard of to NOT see an official statement.
akalarry
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1978 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-13 19:38:02
August 13 2011 19:37 GMT
#3360
what's the point of the security deposit if there's a contract? What's the point of a contract if there's a security deposit? I think nasl could've just required the security deposit first as the players were signing up, so they have "realistic" leverage.

looks like the security deposit is worth more than the contract lol. a big oopsie by nasl.
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