EPT'TSL expelled from SC2 Conference' - Page 9
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StarStruck
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TheSilverfox
Sweden1928 Posts
On August 04 2011 21:06 xBillehx wrote: Yes they're no longer part of S2con because they withdrew. Their logo is no longer at the bottom of http://s2con.com/ Thank you! So basically we right now have a sitution with 8 teams who are members and 3 that are not: Members of SC2con and SC2pa: FXO (fOu) IM oGs Prime Zenex HoSeo ST MVP Not members of SC2con and SC2pa: SlayerS TSL WeMade FOX | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On August 04 2011 21:19 Navichi wrote: I think it's a really deplorable move by Trickster and Fruitdealer to not practice and continue collecting salary. Yes there might be 1 thing standing in the contract but Starcraft 2 is struggling in Korea right now, the money is extremely tight (many managers having to constantly think about keeping their balance positive instead of being able to focus on building their team) and many many many pro-gamers are not getting what they deserve. There is an extreme depth in the korean player pool and it makes me sad to see Trickster and FruitDealer in Code S and A respectively when there are literally hundreds of other players we barely know anything of, who are more skilled and could provide us with better games. They work their asses off, training 10 hours/day for the better part of their youth, and all for very few recognition / money. If FD and Trickster have decided to stop practising they should, imo, retire and let younger and more motivated players take their spot. I mean ... they haven't shown good games in what .. almost a year now? :/ We should talk about FD and Trickster seperately. Trickster is still code S which DAMN many players try to achieve nowadays. As long as he stays code S his demands are justified in my opinion. Actually, even though he never had his huge success as many predicted, he is one of the most stable code S players. | ||
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
On August 04 2011 20:36 sleepingdog wrote: Wow, this is some Code S drama we got here. Honestly, it fits quite right in the drama surrounding Puma as well....I'm wondering how many are still of the opinion that it wasn't right for Puma to start talking with EG? I'm 99% sure he knew what was going on with FD/Tester and just wanted to get the hell out of there. This just makes so much more sense now. I'm still on the opinion that the whole EG thing went down quite wrong(that is on EG side of things), but this explains Puma's actions clearer. Everyone has always said Lee is quite standup guy/coach, so this is a bit of a shock indeed. But yer I still understand him a bit, if the players are being lazy, do they truely deserve the salary they were promised? If there was no contract, both sides seem to have violated the oral contract, one side isn't pulling the amount of practise, the other isn't paying. | ||
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Tuczniak
1561 Posts
At least they didn't send them to scout enemy base. | ||
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Quintum_
United States669 Posts
The other thing is you dont lie to your players about how much you are bringing in, cut there pay as required for underperformance but dont try and hide how much money you are making from them. | ||
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poorbeggarman
139 Posts
On August 04 2011 21:26 hyptonic wrote: Ummm, FD/Tester/Puma haven't given any stories. Wtf are you talking about? And besides, why would you take the stories of nonpracting teamhoppers over loyal players who give back? You said yourself there were FD,Tester,Puma stories, wtf are you on about now? How do you know they're nonpracticing teamhoppers? From TSL testimony? Those loyal players "who give back" could also very well be players suffering under TSL management, forced to put up a pristine front to try to keep going till they make it big, so that they can transfer over to some other team. | ||
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openbox1
1393 Posts
On August 04 2011 21:29 Tuczniak wrote: The SCV life (TSL) is sure not easy. At least they didn't send them to scout enemy base. This cracked me up. Thanks for bringing a smile to my face. | ||
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kellymilkies
Singapore1393 Posts
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zeru
8156 Posts
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
Would be great if someone knew the specifics of how these things work :o | ||
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hyptonic
2155 Posts
On August 04 2011 21:31 poorbeggarman wrote: You said yourself there were FD,Tester,Puma stories, wtf are you on about now? How do you know they're nonpracticing teamhoppers? From TSL testimony? Those loyal players "who give back" could also very well be players suffering under TSL management, forced to put up a pristine front to try to keep going till they make it big, so that they can transfer over to some other team. By stories I meant there decisions to leave there teams. I did not mean to imply testimonies. They have given their reason to S2Con but we haven't gotten them. You using things that don't even exist to us shows that you are blindly attacking TSL. FruitDealer/Tester are teamhoppers in the sense that is their 3rd SC2 team now (oGs -> TSL -> ST). They have played on more teams than any other SC2 player I'm pretty sure. Their reasons for leaving oGs? Too much practicing and not enough play time. Reason for leaving TSL? Not getting paid because they didn't practice. You have to see this from both perspectives. This story will stay unsolved until we learn the true agreement between TSL and FD/Tester | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
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farnham
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Madder
Australia427 Posts
On August 04 2011 21:36 Novalisk wrote: I'm guessing Coach Lee was giving the korean teams a bad name with his unprofessional comments regarding FD, Tester, Puma, and EG. And I'm guessing EG was giving the foreign community a great reputation with their player dealings. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 04 2011 21:34 Tachion wrote: So if TSL is still allowed to participate in the GSTL and all that, why does this SC2 Conference matter? And what is the difference between that and the player association? One is run by the players, the other by the team managers? Do their words hold any weight whatsoever? Would be great if someone knew the specifics of how these things work :o It doesn't. The Association is still very young and to top it off their priorities have been steered off course with such nonsense as this and the fact policy hasn't been written in stone yet. There's all kinds of logistical issues with this. | ||
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Jiddra
Sweden2685 Posts
This if you belive what people are trying to get out of the TSL statement. Would be nice with a translation. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 04 2011 21:38 Madder wrote: And I'm guessing EG was giving the foreign community a great reputation with their player dealings. If you snipe a player from my team I wouldn't be happy either. He has every right to tell his side of the story. Like I said before, he is nothing but a scapegoat for the Association and for ongoing conduct. They are making an example so team managers will always have some sort of written contract with their players and they're trying to make sure that these type of situations don't arise again. On August 04 2011 21:42 Jiddra wrote: There seems to be even more drama in the release from TSL, they didn't find the judging from Sc2con to be unbiased and fair. They talk about lies during the meeting and tricksters statement getting to much of an influence on the decision. This if you belive what people are trying to get out of the TSL statement. Yup. | ||
Antoine
United States7481 Posts
On August 04 2011 20:43 chrisv10 wrote: TSL response: http://sc2tsl.com/bbs/board.php?bo_table=61&wr_id=2016&page=0&sca=&sfl=&stx=&sst=&sod=&spt=0&page=0 can somebody please do a full translation of this? | ||
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