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Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-04 12:09:17
August 04 2011 12:07 GMT
#121
Ok, it seems like they were expelled from SC2con not SC2PA which are seperate entities. I have very little knoweldge in how the korean scene is structured, so I got them confused. If a mod can change the title, I would be grateful. I'll alter the main text myself.

btw, what does SC2con stand for? conference? committee? council? I can't seem to find any info on that.
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b_unnies
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
3579 Posts
August 04 2011 12:08 GMT
#122
2. Though sponsors continued to provide funds for the team, it is wrong that the manager lied to the players, saying they hadn't.

3. Even though the wages of the TSL players who returned theirs to help with operating expenses were different to Fruitdear and Trickster's sum, the manager used it in an interview to slander the two players. This is not a quality a team manager should possess.


Now that I read this again. Am I the only one that feels this is contradictory? Manager lied to the players that they he didnt get money from sponsors. Then how did Sangho + Clide return the money to TSL ?
legaton
Profile Joined December 2010
France1763 Posts
August 04 2011 12:09 GMT
#123
Hahaha, Fruidealer and Tester getting disciplined? It really says a lot about how lazy those two could be. Frankly, i don't see how somebody could defend two freeloaders. Go TSL!
No GG, No Skill - Jaedong <3
brachester
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia1786 Posts
August 04 2011 12:10 GMT
#124
On August 04 2011 21:08 b_unnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
2. Though sponsors continued to provide funds for the team, it is wrong that the manager lied to the players, saying they hadn't.

3. Even though the wages of the TSL players who returned theirs to help with operating expenses were different to Fruitdear and Trickster's sum, the manager used it in an interview to slander the two players. This is not a quality a team manager should possess.


Now that I read this again. Am I the only one that feels this is contradictory? Manager lied to the players that they he didnt get money from sponsors. Then how did Sangho + Clide return the money to TSL ?

God damn, we need MILKISSSSS
I hate all this singing
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
August 04 2011 12:10 GMT
#125
On August 04 2011 20:59 TheSilverfox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2011 20:44 Tachion wrote:
On August 04 2011 20:37 TheSilverfox wrote:
Which teams are members of the SC2 Players Association?

What I can see SlayerS isn't a member of the association as well, is there a reason why it is so?

You can read Jessica's response about it here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=236783
Just search for association and you'll come upon the paragraph, it only really talks about boxer being involved in it though, and not why slayers as a whole is not participating.


I've read that and it's more an article about why BoxeR chose not to be chairman of the organisation.

I'm still curious about why one of the major teams in Korea, SlayerS, decide not to join the association.

It is kind of weird when two major teams are not part of the player association :/.


I would assume that joining the sc2pa is done by the players, not by the manager. The sc2pa looks a lot like a union to me (and i'm not opposed to that as long as the power doesn't get abused), so if the players don't think about joining the PA, no reason for the team to be listed in it.

I would assume that if a SlayerS member would like the team to be in the sc2pa, SlayerS would join. If the players are happy anyways, why join?
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
August 04 2011 12:11 GMT
#126
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baoluvboa
Profile Joined December 2010
743 Posts
August 04 2011 12:11 GMT
#127
On August 04 2011 21:08 b_unnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
2. Though sponsors continued to provide funds for the team, it is wrong that the manager lied to the players, saying they hadn't.

3. Even though the wages of the TSL players who returned theirs to help with operating expenses were different to Fruitdear and Trickster's sum, the manager used it in an interview to slander the two players. This is not a quality a team manager should possess.


Now that I read this again. Am I the only one that feels this is contradictory? Manager lied to the players that they he didnt get money from sponsors. Then how did Sangho + Clide return the money to TSL ?


I honestly imagine that if Coach Lee was really embezzling, then all the players would have left instantly instead of still staying with the team, especially in the case of Killer and Clide.

Also I wonder what Startale is doing with FD and Tester. They honestly have enough talents (and better players imo) already.
poorbeggarman
Profile Joined August 2010
139 Posts
August 04 2011 12:11 GMT
#128
On August 04 2011 21:05 hyptonic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2011 21:03 holycrapitsTony wrote:
I was wondering why TSL was dropping players like flies. Sounds like Coach Lee isn't nearly as nice of a guy as people would let on. I'm still not passing any judgment until I hear a bit more about this story. People were very kneejerk about the EG scandal and now they're flip flopping to support them in this whole thing. Maybe if we would all relax and wait to hear all of the facts, we could support better conclusions.


Well, SangHo and Clide liked Coach Lee and TSL enough to give their money back to him.

The cases of FD/Tester/Puma were a bit strange to me tbh.

FD/Tester - Already left 1 team, admit to not playing much
Puma - First SC2 success ever at big foreign event -- wants more


Or, they were forced to give him the money back.Probably wasn't much anyway, since he lied to them that they weren't getting money from sponsors.

FD, Tester and Puma leaving is just additional proof that TSL management is rotten to the core, ha!

And now y'all getting juked by another sob story.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
August 04 2011 12:11 GMT
#129
On August 04 2011 21:08 b_unnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
2. Though sponsors continued to provide funds for the team, it is wrong that the manager lied to the players, saying they hadn't.

3. Even though the wages of the TSL players who returned theirs to help with operating expenses were different to Fruitdear and Trickster's sum, the manager used it in an interview to slander the two players. This is not a quality a team manager should possess.


Now that I read this again. Am I the only one that feels this is contradictory? Manager lied to the players that they he didnt get money from sponsors. Then how did Sangho + Clide return the money to TSL ?

Timings could be off. The refund part could've taken place before coach lee apparently deceived them.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
brachester
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia1786 Posts
August 04 2011 12:12 GMT
#130
On August 04 2011 21:10 Morfildur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2011 20:59 TheSilverfox wrote:
On August 04 2011 20:44 Tachion wrote:
On August 04 2011 20:37 TheSilverfox wrote:
Which teams are members of the SC2 Players Association?

What I can see SlayerS isn't a member of the association as well, is there a reason why it is so?

You can read Jessica's response about it here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=236783
Just search for association and you'll come upon the paragraph, it only really talks about boxer being involved in it though, and not why slayers as a whole is not participating.


I've read that and it's more an article about why BoxeR chose not to be chairman of the organisation.

I'm still curious about why one of the major teams in Korea, SlayerS, decide not to join the association.

It is kind of weird when two major teams are not part of the player association :/.


I would assume that joining the sc2pa is done by the players, not by the manager. The sc2pa looks a lot like a union to me (and i'm not opposed to that as long as the power doesn't get abused), so if the players don't think about joining the PA, no reason for the team to be listed in it.

I would assume that if a SlayerS member would like the team to be in the sc2pa, SlayerS would join. If the players are happy anyways, why join?

More importantly, what's the point of joining an organization that has absolutely no power at all in terms of tournaments, league and player trading control???
I hate all this singing
brachester
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia1786 Posts
August 04 2011 12:13 GMT
#131
On August 04 2011 21:11 Telcontar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2011 21:08 b_unnies wrote:
2. Though sponsors continued to provide funds for the team, it is wrong that the manager lied to the players, saying they hadn't.

3. Even though the wages of the TSL players who returned theirs to help with operating expenses were different to Fruitdear and Trickster's sum, the manager used it in an interview to slander the two players. This is not a quality a team manager should possess.


Now that I read this again. Am I the only one that feels this is contradictory? Manager lied to the players that they he didnt get money from sponsors. Then how did Sangho + Clide return the money to TSL ?

Timings could be off. The refund part could've taken place before coach lee apparently deceived them.

But tester and FD left way before everything happaned
I hate all this singing
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
August 04 2011 12:13 GMT
#132
I guess this is.. unfortunate?
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zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
August 04 2011 12:13 GMT
#133
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Madder
Profile Joined February 2010
Australia427 Posts
August 04 2011 12:13 GMT
#134
On August 04 2011 21:11 poorbeggarman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2011 21:05 hyptonic wrote:
On August 04 2011 21:03 holycrapitsTony wrote:
I was wondering why TSL was dropping players like flies. Sounds like Coach Lee isn't nearly as nice of a guy as people would let on. I'm still not passing any judgment until I hear a bit more about this story. People were very kneejerk about the EG scandal and now they're flip flopping to support them in this whole thing. Maybe if we would all relax and wait to hear all of the facts, we could support better conclusions.


Well, SangHo and Clide liked Coach Lee and TSL enough to give their money back to him.

The cases of FD/Tester/Puma were a bit strange to me tbh.

FD/Tester - Already left 1 team, admit to not playing much
Puma - First SC2 success ever at big foreign event -- wants more


Or, they were forced to give him the money back.Probably wasn't much anyway, since he lied to them that they weren't getting money from sponsors.

FD, Tester and Puma leaving is just additional proof that TSL management is rotten to the core, ha!

And now y'all getting juked by another sob story.

Loyal players can't exist in professional gaming?

Do you seriously think that little of SangHo, Clide and possibly other players?
xBillehx
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1289 Posts
August 04 2011 12:14 GMT
#135
On August 04 2011 21:12 brachester wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2011 21:10 Morfildur wrote:
On August 04 2011 20:59 TheSilverfox wrote:
On August 04 2011 20:44 Tachion wrote:
On August 04 2011 20:37 TheSilverfox wrote:
Which teams are members of the SC2 Players Association?

What I can see SlayerS isn't a member of the association as well, is there a reason why it is so?

You can read Jessica's response about it here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=236783
Just search for association and you'll come upon the paragraph, it only really talks about boxer being involved in it though, and not why slayers as a whole is not participating.


I've read that and it's more an article about why BoxeR chose not to be chairman of the organisation.

I'm still curious about why one of the major teams in Korea, SlayerS, decide not to join the association.

It is kind of weird when two major teams are not part of the player association :/.


I would assume that joining the sc2pa is done by the players, not by the manager. The sc2pa looks a lot like a union to me (and i'm not opposed to that as long as the power doesn't get abused), so if the players don't think about joining the PA, no reason for the team to be listed in it.

I would assume that if a SlayerS member would like the team to be in the sc2pa, SlayerS would join. If the players are happy anyways, why join?

More importantly, what's the point of joining an organization that has absolutely no power at all in terms of tournaments, league and player trading control???

They do have power. They banned Rain from participating in the GSL for two seasons. They're just a lot more lenient and have a players association section for players to have a voice.
Taengoo ♥
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
August 04 2011 12:15 GMT
#136
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brachester
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia1786 Posts
August 04 2011 12:15 GMT
#137
On August 04 2011 21:14 xBillehx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2011 21:12 brachester wrote:
On August 04 2011 21:10 Morfildur wrote:
On August 04 2011 20:59 TheSilverfox wrote:
On August 04 2011 20:44 Tachion wrote:
On August 04 2011 20:37 TheSilverfox wrote:
Which teams are members of the SC2 Players Association?

What I can see SlayerS isn't a member of the association as well, is there a reason why it is so?

You can read Jessica's response about it here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=236783
Just search for association and you'll come upon the paragraph, it only really talks about boxer being involved in it though, and not why slayers as a whole is not participating.


I've read that and it's more an article about why BoxeR chose not to be chairman of the organisation.

I'm still curious about why one of the major teams in Korea, SlayerS, decide not to join the association.

It is kind of weird when two major teams are not part of the player association :/.


I would assume that joining the sc2pa is done by the players, not by the manager. The sc2pa looks a lot like a union to me (and i'm not opposed to that as long as the power doesn't get abused), so if the players don't think about joining the PA, no reason for the team to be listed in it.

I would assume that if a SlayerS member would like the team to be in the sc2pa, SlayerS would join. If the players are happy anyways, why join?

More importantly, what's the point of joining an organization that has absolutely no power at all in terms of tournaments, league and player trading control???

They do have power. They banned Rain from participating in the GSL for two seasons. They're just a lot more lenient and have a players association section for players to have a voice.

It was a different organization that banned rain, this one can't ban you from GSL
I hate all this singing
thehitman
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
1105 Posts
August 04 2011 12:15 GMT
#138
Fruitdealer and Trickster have been under performing for the past 7 months, so its not surprising there has been a lot of friction, although I think what the coach did by withholding their salary is wrong.

TSL probably needs a new manager if they are to continue forward. Having said that I couldn't care less about FD and Trickster because they've been performing extremely poorly the past 7 months and are not code A or S material.
MrSweetNess
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia312 Posts
August 04 2011 12:15 GMT
#139
On August 04 2011 21:12 brachester wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 04 2011 21:10 Morfildur wrote:
On August 04 2011 20:59 TheSilverfox wrote:
On August 04 2011 20:44 Tachion wrote:
On August 04 2011 20:37 TheSilverfox wrote:
Which teams are members of the SC2 Players Association?

What I can see SlayerS isn't a member of the association as well, is there a reason why it is so?

You can read Jessica's response about it here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=236783
Just search for association and you'll come upon the paragraph, it only really talks about boxer being involved in it though, and not why slayers as a whole is not participating.


I've read that and it's more an article about why BoxeR chose not to be chairman of the organisation.

I'm still curious about why one of the major teams in Korea, SlayerS, decide not to join the association.

It is kind of weird when two major teams are not part of the player association :/.


I would assume that joining the sc2pa is done by the players, not by the manager. The sc2pa looks a lot like a union to me (and i'm not opposed to that as long as the power doesn't get abused), so if the players don't think about joining the PA, no reason for the team to be listed in it.

I would assume that if a SlayerS member would like the team to be in the sc2pa, SlayerS would join. If the players are happy anyways, why join?

More importantly, what's the point of joining an organization that has absolutely no power at all in terms of tournaments, league and player trading control???


The OP said that they could have been forbidden to play in tournaments but they chose not to do that so the competition does not get crippled.
Or at least that is my understanding of that.
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JonSki
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom126 Posts
August 04 2011 12:16 GMT
#140
If the said reparations are not paid in full, SC2PA will expel TSL and take further measures.


Your title says TSL expelled from SC2 Playes Association, this sentance says they are currently not so why try to shock me and then to see that this was false they will take actions but havent actually expelled them.
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