EPTIs it Korean culture to garnish wagers owed to people via contract too?
Not even remotely surprised.
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Grimsong
United States252 Posts
Is it Korean culture to garnish wagers owed to people via contract too? Not even remotely surprised. | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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Madder
Australia427 Posts
On August 05 2011 00:38 Grimsong wrote: Where did Coach Lee's legion of White Knights run off to? Is it Korean culture to garnish wagers owed to people via contract too? Not even remotely surprised. Everyone who disputed the whole EG/Puma mess are suddenly Coach Lee's white knights now? Awesome.. | ||
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cost2010
Germany46 Posts
On August 05 2011 00:02 Bobster wrote: Well, you have to add no rent or food costs as well as a maid and cook, to paint a fair picture. That should be worth something. ... and you have to add retirement provisions and the cost of having a terrible resume to that. If things go well they play sc2 until they are 30. If they are very lucky they get to work for another 10-15 years as a coach or commentator. Then they are in their forties with no professional experience relevant to anything other than video-gaming. Good luck trying to find a job for the remaining 20-30 years of their work-life. In my country a large share of athletes is employed by the police or the military to overcome this issue - once they stop being competitive in sports they already have a guaranteed job (as a clerk, policeman, ...) lined up for them. Without this system there could be no "professional" athletes for anything but the most high-profile sports as price money and the wages a private team could afford to pay would never be enough to overcome the 30 years following the end of a sports career. | ||
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itiswhatitis
United States136 Posts
On August 04 2011 22:23 pdd wrote: It's the same with any other job. You're paid to do your work, and if you can't do it within the normal 8-9 hour working day, then you have to do an overtime. Otherwise, you're gone. What the hell kind of job do you have where it's like this? I've had like 12 jobs and none of them were like this. It's funny to me you say this statement like it's just normal for a job to be like this. | ||
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BWILLdur
United States100 Posts
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Zirith
Canada403 Posts
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
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Typhoon1789
Australia292 Posts
On August 05 2011 00:21 MarChe wrote: youngminii, I agree with your 1st and 4th paragraphs The fact that people can so easily hate on Coach Lee (and people in general) is disappointing to see. Despite the expectation - that it seems most people have - that the information we are fed is trustworthy and accurate, it still surprises me to see how many people are willing to jump to conclusions and make broad, sweeping statements on a topic that frankly they don't know any more about than what the few posts on TL have told them. Seriously, the community can be so judgemental just because of a media source that points one way or another. Remember the hate towards SlayerSJessica, people saying she was unprofessional and the like for "overreacting" to apparently innocent twitter posts? That completely reversed once the second thread popped up from her point of view. Media controls people. Oh.. i wonder if there will ever be a day when people grow a brain.  | ||
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Grimsong
United States252 Posts
On August 05 2011 00:40 Madder wrote: Everyone who disputed the whole EG/Puma mess are suddenly Coach Lee's white knights now? Awesome.. I never said that? There were a multitude of people white knighting for poor Coach Lee in that thread. Then there were people saying oh Korea this Korea that its about respect. Then there were people who in general disliked the situation. And then there were just people in general. Not sure where you connected the dots on my comments to suddenly make it become that I said everyone who disputed EG/Puma was a Lee white knight, you said it, not me. | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
On August 05 2011 00:42 BWILLdur wrote: Good to see Korea has programs in place to help protect the players, but it sounds like no real action was taken here. TSL left the conference and they can still participate in tournaments and they don't have to pay the reparations. they have to or else the sanctions will come. i mean leaving the sc2con pretty does nothing for TSL, the rest of the teams can still sanction them from GSL if they really wanted to. | ||
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Grimsong
United States252 Posts
On August 05 2011 00:41 itiswhatitis wrote: What the hell kind of job do you have where it's like this? I've had like 12 jobs and none of them were like this. It's funny to me you say this statement like it's just normal for a job to be like this. Exactly. What a blanket statement to say jobs enforce overtime if you dont get your work done. I've been working full time for the last 8 years and never had a job that made overtime mandatory. Work your 8 hours, or scheduled time, and leave. There may be jobs that enforce overtime, but to say its the same with "every" job is ludicrous. | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
On August 05 2011 00:43 HolydaKing wrote: i'm still pretty sure coach Lee is on the right side, but let's see what happens! yup and the other 8 sc2 pro teams are wrong my issue is why would u not talk to your players about their practice hours if u had a problem, and if they are unwilling to comply to what u want, terminate the contract............ oh wait they probably didnt even have one. | ||
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DelRax
Australia54 Posts
FD and Trickster didn't want to put in the effort during a tough time for the team, and FD in particular has been failing to produce any decent results as of late. I'm unclear as to whether they were contracted to TSL after the whole Puma situation, but if they were, then sure, it was a dick move to withhold their pay. But at the same time, think about this as if you were Lee, two of your top players weren't putting in the effort when your team needed them to, despite the fact that unlinke MANY Korean SC2 pros, they were earning a decent salary. You'd be pissed too, and then they tell you that they want to leave the team so they can get out of practicing as much? It would just be.... a really shit situation to be in. (NOTE: I'm not trying to bash on FD/Trickster, they're both players I like. The context is just helpful) And people need to remember that it's COACH Lee, not manager Lee. It can't be easy having to juggle everything at once. He's been a progaming coach for a while now, and he's known for caring about his players. I think he diserves some more respect for his efforts, rather than the blind hate he's getting. | ||
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vertical101
Hong Kong311 Posts
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Typhoon1789
Australia292 Posts
On August 05 2011 00:41 itiswhatitis wrote: What the hell kind of job do you have where it's like this? I've had like 12 jobs and none of them were like this. It's funny to me you say this statement like it's just normal for a job to be like this. Ive had a job's like that in the hospitality industry. If your late your late, you have to keep going. You can't just "leave" when you want. If you DID you would be fired pretty quickly after a few times of doing so. EDIT: ive had about 3 jobs in hospitality, most are like this. Crappy industry to work in, very long hours but decent pay. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 05 2011 00:38 Grimsong wrote: Where did Coach Lee's legion of White Knights run off to? Is it Korean culture to garnish wagers owed to people via contract too? Not even remotely surprised. You obviously didn't read the thread. On August 05 2011 00:48 vertical101 wrote: rekrul is right coach lee is a liar yes, let's keep jumping the gun. | ||
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Grimsong
United States252 Posts
On August 05 2011 00:50 StarStruck wrote: You obviously didn't read the thread. yes, let's keep jumping the gun. You obviously jumped to conclusions and made assumptions. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
 . A sad day for E-Sports. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
People these days. So delusional! Yeah, you don't know how a business operates. We get it. | ||
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