EPT'TSL expelled from SC2 Conference' - Page 23
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legaton
France1763 Posts
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Grimsong
United States252 Posts
On August 05 2011 01:06 StarStruck wrote: Older than you. End of conversation. You want to keep this conversation going you can try to PM me, but odds are I'll ignore you because you already showed all your cards. You just repeated the same thing you said before and I told you there was no written agreement! Verbal contracts have no weight. It changes the whole story. There is no law suit because it would never hold in a court room. lmao My God! If they were on contract, sure the employer would fire them and they would get paid for the days and hours they came into work if that's the type of contract they had, but they didn't. -_- I can guarantee you it would hold up in court entirely. You cant just take wages from people because youre unhappy about anything. You fire them, demote them, document that their wages are being lowered and that they have agreed to that. But you dont just take something that is owed to them, thus TSL was already judged against by the SC2 Conference. | ||
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Grimsong
United States252 Posts
On August 05 2011 01:07 StarStruck wrote: No you haven't. I read every single page. You on the other hand, have most definitely not. Now be gone. More assumptions, I've read every page as well. Go through my post history, youll find me extremely active through each and every thread in regards. | ||
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Grimsong
United States252 Posts
On August 05 2011 01:06 Woizit wrote: The "verbal agreement" must have been carried out before by him (paying them), showing there's an intent to treat it as a contract. Furthermore, it's been used publicly to advertise the team as being the first to give the players salaries. I'm pretty sure any legal court will treat that "verbal agreement" as a contract. Thank you. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
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DigitalD[562]
United States80 Posts
And now I see a new potential problem in the SC2 Con. It seems like the Con has the potential power to collude against other teams and I suspect that (and I hope I'm wrong) the players association lacks the power within the Con to protect the players that may be affected by such decisions. With that said, I think the Con is better than nothing and is a much needed tool in the Korean scene. | ||
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Grimsong
United States252 Posts
On August 05 2011 01:12 StarStruck wrote: I'm done with you. Tuck your tail and keep it moving grasshopper. User was warned for this post | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
Either way I see no right or wrong here. What the SC2Con did I think is far dodgier than what TSL/FD/Trickster did. I don't see a reason for a personal dispute between players and their manager/coach to be made public. | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
Not saying a new KeSPA is needed, but teams need to be structured more like a fucking business or shit like this happens. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On August 05 2011 01:13 Grimsong wrote: Tuck your tail and keep it moving grasshopper. Further proof that you are delusional. You need to go back to grade school for an Introduction to Business. Now scram before I report you. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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EnOmy
Australia183 Posts
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Grimsong
United States252 Posts
On August 05 2011 01:14 StarStruck wrote: Further proof that you are delusional. You need to go back to grade school for an Introduction to Business. Now scram before I report you. Introduction to business? You can just take money from employees? L to the O to the L. Lee had every right to be upset that his players weren't practiciing or whatever, that's irrelevant. Who's delusional again? | ||
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Enervate
United States1769 Posts
If not, SC2Con seems really weak. | ||
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Nerski
United States1095 Posts
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Grimsong
United States252 Posts
On August 05 2011 01:17 Enervate wrote: So does TSL still have to pay Fruitdealer and Trickster since they left SC2Con? If not, SC2Con seems really weak. They do not have to pay FD and Trickster, since TSL has been "expelled" after they "withdrew" so they would not have to follow the terms (you know. paying back money they owed their players) they laid out. | ||
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Nerski
United States1095 Posts
On August 05 2011 01:17 Enervate wrote: So does TSL still have to pay Fruitdealer and Trickster since they left SC2Con? If not, SC2Con seems really weak. Probably not via arbitration, if there was a contract in place then yes. However, many korean teams don't have contracts with their players, it's all promises arbitrated by some 3rd party typically. Which is how you see korean players leaving the teams since there is very little to no contracts in korea. | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On August 05 2011 01:18 Grimsong wrote: They do not have to pay FD and Trickster, since TSL has been "expelled" after they "withdrew" so they would not have to follow the terms (you know. paying back money they owed their players) they laid out. I think if this mess has highlighted anything it's how unprofessional the 'professional' starcraft scene is in its current form. We definitely need some proper contract procedures in place. | ||
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Grimsong
United States252 Posts
On August 05 2011 01:22 ch33psh33p wrote: Would you pay a player who shows up 10 days out of 45 for practice? You pay the employee their last paycheck then drop them. Obviously the money was a salary, not hourly. Without a prior agreement between both parties, one party cannot just decide to take the money away because they were all hot and bothered by it. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On August 05 2011 01:23 iamthedave wrote: I think if this mess has highlighted anything it's how unprofessional the 'professional' starcraft scene is in its current form. We definitely need some proper contract procedures in place. You are generalizing a small growing Korean scene to the whole scene. Don't do that | ||
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