EPTSecond as just a simple spectator if this was true EG made a big mistake by not making the announcement FIRST, that again, makes it look bad. Simple as that.
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gaizka
United States991 Posts
Second as just a simple spectator if this was true EG made a big mistake by not making the announcement FIRST, that again, makes it look bad. Simple as that. | ||
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Grimsong
United States252 Posts
On July 27 2011 05:58 DDie wrote: So they act like dicks, snatch Puma off TSL and the whole matter is solved by a simple apologize by EG. Ah, if real life were this easy.. Or they acted like a business and made the best business decision possible. They wanted a Korean player. Oh look.... - They got their guy - He happens to be Terran, a weak spot they had - He happened to win the NASL - He wasn't contracted by TSL, maximizing potential turn around from any investment they have to make. They accomplished all of their goals, while signing a kid to what is likely a dream contract (hey we're all here because we love gaming/SC right?), while also having no legal hitches. It looks like a really sound decision for EG to have made. I really commend them for taking a crack at a player from Korea, it will be interesting to see what happens once the Korean players start to see how wide open the international scene currently is. So many tournaments, so much coverage, so many fans (Coach Lee even openly says that the SC2 support in Korea makes it a drag for the BW players to even consider converting). You tell me where the grass is greener when a well respected team within Korea didn't support or respect the talents of their prized player (after 3 of their other prized players left them) by signing him to a contract. You think the lesser teams are more organized than that? I'll ask you. If you're a professional in your field, which side do you feel safest with? The side that is practical, has an infrastructure (albeit a smaller one, at least the initiative is there), and can provide me with a guarantee of being financially sound? Or the side that is struggling to find fan support, had no financial guarantee offered, and has a limited pool of marketability compared to what is out there outside of that specific side? | ||
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enecateReAP
United Kingdom378 Posts
On July 27 2011 06:07 gaizka wrote: First of all the tldr section makes this look so bad. Second as just a simple spectator if this was true EG made a big mistake by not making the announcement FIRST, that again, makes it look bad. Simple as that. What did EG have to announce? That they were considering buying puma?...THEY HADN'T SIGNED HIM AT THIS POINT AND WERE STILL IN TALKS WHEN COACH LEE ANNOUNCED THE NEWS. Is that TL;DR enough for you?... | ||
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Triscuit
United States722 Posts
On July 27 2011 06:01 bonifaceviii wrote: By the way, I agree there needs to be an apology for the treatment of Milkis. Just putting that out there. I am a little iffy. I think people are really blowing out of proportion what AG "did" to Milkis. He had an opinion about "internet journalism." I think it was misguided and to shoot the messenger by bringing it up to Milkis was a bad idea. Is your comment entirely about the journalism bit? Because during the rest of the interview Milkis was really aggressive and he really rubbed me the wrong way. | ||
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Drteeth
Great Britain415 Posts
On July 27 2011 06:05 NightAngel wrote: Please read the bottom of the OP. It has since been edited.. Yeah, when they were called out on it!!! EG fanboys make me so angry. | ||
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Railin
Canada96 Posts
Totally comes off as a slimy and unpleasant fellow ... Blaming a volunteer (unpaid) translator for the drama HE and EG themselves created, just because he happened to read an article in a language that most people on TL don't know and translated it? Really? Blame the messenger ... Very "fun" discussion it was, too, with EGAlex constantly interrupting Milkis and talking over him. Made it seem really disrespectful :/ I felt sorry for Milkis. When almost every bigger pro team out there has made some kind of deal with a korean player or team already, and EVERYONE ELSE was able to do it in a respectful manner, makes one wonder about EG's way of handling business deals. | ||
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Nivity
Sweden371 Posts
And you always contact the team coach, in any sport. Ye puma was not contracted by TSL because they trusted him, something that will NOT happen again in any korean sc2 teams, contracts will be on everyone after this, and will be more and more like kespa. No respect for EG. Flame me all you want. | ||
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Grimsong
United States252 Posts
On July 27 2011 06:17 Nivity wrote: And yet I thank EG to start a new Kespa in sc2 korean scene. And you always contact the team coach, in any sport. Ye puma was not contracted by TSL because they trusted him, something that will NOT happen again in any korean sc2 teams, contracts will be on everyone after this, and will be more and more like kespa. No respect for EG. Flame me all you want. All the more reason it's good that Puma was able to get out of there before he was Kespa'd and hidden from everyone outside of Korea, where their SC2 scene is far from desireable in comparison to whats going on on the outside of those gates. | ||
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DrCooper
Germany261 Posts
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aeN
Italy92 Posts
On July 26 2011 09:05 CellTech wrote: Thanks for your side of the story. Although, I believe EG may have indirectly sparked kespa 2.0 Puma was really becoming the Ace of a team that didn't "yet" have enough sponsors to support him as well as EG. imo. This was EG looking at Puma and whispering to themselves "omg, no salary, no contract, he's awesome, let's get him". If EG *really* cared about having top tier players it wouldn't contradict itself with much of it's current roster. Puma hwaiting, and best of luck. Poll: Team EG 0 was already a fan and still am (1969) -1 fan (1818) +1 fan (802) 4589 total votes Your vote: Team EG (Vote): +1 fan Where's the "0 wasn't a fan and still i am not"? | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
 i liked them on gsl | ||
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Bluerain
United States348 Posts
On July 27 2011 06:19 Grimsong wrote: All the more reason it's good that Puma was able to get out of there before he was Kespa'd and hidden from everyone outside of Korea, where their SC2 scene is far from desireable in comparison to whats going on on the outside of those gates. if its so undesirable in korea and sc2 is flourishing outside those gates its even more sad that non-koreans can't motivate themselves to practice as hard as the koreans and play on equal footing. so much easier to win prize money, so many more sponsorship opportunities, yet every1 is too lazy to train hardcore. but teams are to blame too, its the combination of lazy teams that lack structure alongside the lazyness of players. i guess its easier to purchase a finished product from korea. why doesnt EG jus takes its organizational/sponsorship ability and breed the next generation of progamers made in USA? if theres more money opportunity outside korea, why are koreans still the best? | ||
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Zyphen
United States258 Posts
On July 27 2011 02:42 originalred04 wrote: @Vertical I understand that fact, but they benefited from having him there as well, and a man's gotta get paid, that's what it boils down to. @Zyphen I hope you continually boycott EG for as long as SC2 is around, I would rather not be associated with someone like you in any form. Even if it's a low class level such as rooting for the same team. ? Your extreme statement tells me more about you than you presume to know about me through any of mine. I agree with your position though. Also, please refrain from responding to any of my future comments and I will extend you the same courtesy. I wasn't even aware of your existence before you responded to my post and I would like to keep up that pretense if possible. | ||
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Triscuit
United States722 Posts
On July 27 2011 06:30 Bluerain wrote: if its so undesirable in korea and sc2 is flourishing outside those gates its even more sad that non-koreans can't motivate themselves to practice as hard as the koreans and play on equal footing. so much easier to win prize money, so many more sponsorship opportunities, yet every1 is too lazy to train hardcore. but teams are to blame too, its the combination of lazy teams that lack structure alongside the lazyness of players. i guess its easier to purchase a finished product from korea. why doesnt EG jus takes its organizational/sponsorship ability and breed the next generation of progamers made in USA? if theres more money opportunity outside korea, why are koreans still the best? EG is preparing a team house in Arizona. So they're kind of doing exactly what you're saying they should do. | ||
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Grimsong
United States252 Posts
On July 27 2011 06:30 Bluerain wrote: if its so undesirable in korea and sc2 is flourishing outside those gates its even more sad that non-koreans can't motivate themselves to practice as hard as the koreans and play on equal footing. so much easier to win prize money, so many more sponsorship opportunities, yet every1 is too lazy to train hardcore. but teams are to blame too, its the combination of lazy teams that lack structure alongside the lazyness of players. i guess its easier to purchase a finished product from korea. why doesnt EG jus takes its organizational/sponsorship ability and breed the next generation of progamers made in USA? if theres more money opportunity outside korea, why are koreans still the best? That may be true but that's a completely separate argument that has nothing to do with the subject at hand. The fact of the matter is, the BW scene never caught on like it did in Korea. Korea went absolutely crazy with it and made it there highest broadcasted "sport". The USA never had that kind of support, therefore that style of training never caught on. There was no way for kids to sit and play BW for a living while being paid to do so. There was no way for people getting out of high school, people in college, people working full time, to say no I'm putting this stuff on hold because I'm playing BW for 40+ hours a week. Training non stop. It was never viable in the states. Because America lacked top tier players from the BW times, or those top tier players went to Korea, that "top tier" mentality is developing still here. Could iDra have trained for BW in the states the way he did in Korea? Hell no. But you can see how the scene is starting to progress towards making things like that viable now for SC2. But it's becoming much more possible in todays market. Teams have houses. EG just put up their EG house in Arizona to my understanding. You don't think they're going to be working their asses off to have a huge showing from their team going forward? You don't think that will start to trend the other teams doing similar things. Teams like EG are making it possible. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
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Grimsong
United States252 Posts
On July 27 2011 06:44 zarepath wrote: Where the heck are Garfield's journalistic standards? Posting this on TL.net without including a reaction from Coach Lee? It's an apology and an explanation. Not to mention Coach Lee's comments are already on this forum, in it's own thread, and dispersed amongst the other 600 pages. Keep grasping at straws, man. | ||
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MoonfireSpam
United Kingdom1153 Posts
On July 27 2011 06:28 sabas123 wrote: nice for eg, but i realy still dont get it why so many kor is going away i liked them on gslI'm assuming the USD vs KR Won in combo with the relatively free foreigner scene (e.g. placing well in DH/MLG/NASL vs fighting through Code A and Code B) probably makes for good moneys. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
EG handed out business cards and said they had a spot they were trying to fill. That's it. No contract talk, no money talk, no work talk. "Here's my card, we're recruiting, call me if you're interested". Puma, who happens to be from this "mythical Korean culture" you're all idolizing, found a team that was actually willing to pay him (*gasp*), figured that he had absolutely nothing tying him down to TSL, and wanted to leave. More than that, he started asking questions immediately, without contacting his team. If a Korean player doesn't feel the need to "respect" his coach by involving him in every single career discussion, why is EG being held to that standard for handing out business cards? tl;dr: Korean from Korean team thinks your precious spoken word contracts aren't worth shit. Let's see you try to fit that onto your "Korean culture" pedestal. | ||
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QTIP.
United States2113 Posts
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