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p1cKLes
United States342 Posts
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ore0z
Romania161 Posts
On July 27 2011 05:36 bonifaceviii wrote: If that were true, EG would have a lot more Korean players right now. Alex is on the record saying that he had approached lots of Korean players the same way at NASL, and the only one EG has secured is the one without a current contract. Funny, that. I'll quote Grimsong on this one. On July 27 2011 05:35 Grimsong wrote: AG explained pretty thorougly on WoC that Korean teams, when approached in this situation, commonly put outrageous price tags on their players in hopes of the other team buying out their player. I think with or without a contract, EG thinks the buyout is too much. But I think I'm misunderstanding your point. On July 27 2011 05:35 Grimsong wrote: Except that EG didn't steal food or do anything illegal. They made a business decision. They made a team decision. They made a decision that benefited both parties involved. They made a decision to sign a gamer to a contract so he could get his money while still playing professional Starcraft 2. I would like to emphasize that doing something legal does not mean it's not "evil." Evil is subjective. I agree that what EG did is legally sound. I don't morally approve of it. They did it to avoid a buyout. | ||
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p1cKLes
United States342 Posts
I would hate to be on trial and have a few of you on my jury. “He stole a sandwich because he was hungry, but publically apologized and paid the sandwich off.” Juror “Doesn’t matter, execute him!” I think EG handled it very well and given the situation I’m not sure you can do more than publically and personally apologize for any misconstrued disrespect and at the same time completely respect what Puma wanted. Some of you guys need to get over it, what is done is done. When a person makes a mistake perceived as one or not, the way you handle it says a lot about the team. He handled it well and if you don’t think he did, you may need to reread what Eg said. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On July 27 2011 05:46 p1cKLes wrote: I can’t believe some are still making a mountain out of a mole hill. He apologize both in person and publically and at the same time respected “what puma wanted”, yet a few of you are willing to sit EG down and shoot them execution style. I would hate to be on trial and have a few of you on my jury. “He stole a sandwich because he was hungry, but publically apologized and paid the sandwich off.” Juror “Doesn’t matter, execute him!” I think EG handled it very well and given the situation I’m not sure you can do more than publically and personally apologize for any misconstrued disrespect and at the same time completely respect what Puma wanted. Some of you guys need to get over it, what is done is done. When a person makes a mistake perceived as one or not, the way you handle it says a lot about the team. He handled it well and if you don’t think he did, you may need to reread what Eg said. Only because they were a dick to a translator because the translator was translating something accurately, | ||
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Grimsong
United States252 Posts
On July 27 2011 05:45 ore0z wrote: I'll quote Grimsong on this one. I think with or without a contract, EG thinks the buyout is too much. But I think I'm misunderstanding your point. I would like to emphasize that doing something legal does not mean it's not "evil." Evil is subjective. I agree that what EG did is legally sound. I don't morally approve of it. They did it to avoid a buyout. If you think they -solely- did this in the particular way they did to avoid a buyout, maybe you should consider taking a step back and think about how that is just ONE of MANY factors that the team surely mulled over in regards to how to go about things. Especially considering that EG is a business and a team first and foremost, trying to stay out of the negative while surviving in a very archaic E-Sports scene. | ||
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yoshi_yoshi
United States440 Posts
On July 27 2011 05:32 ore0z wrote: I would like to argue this point It's like doing something evil to do something good. An example would be a man stealing food for his hungry family. In all honesty, the problem isn't that Puma is getting paid more. My issue seems to be that EG did this more for their own personal benefit, than that of Puma. EG definitely benefited from this. Puma getting a higher pay just helps their appearance. EG seems shady in this because of what they did. I don't condemn that Puma has benefited from this. I condemn EG's means. I can't put EG down for this because Puma is getting a better deal. But i don't promote this kind of behavior. I think EG's stance is along the lines of "I don't think Koreans can demand an outrageous transfer fee, irregardless of a contract." >> My issue seems to be that EG did this more for their own personal benefit, than that of Puma. Your argument is that it's bad for someone to do something for their own benefit? -------------- Overall I side pretty heavily with EG, but I'd also suspect that the transfer fees have something to do with their approach. Scenario A: EG talks to TSL first - TSL realizes that they can't compete - TSL guilts Puma into signing a contract with a transfer fee clause (Hey Puma, sucks that you have to go, but since we've been through so much together can't you sign this contract to give TSL some money?) - EG pays transfer fee and signs Puma Scenario B: EG talks to Puma first - Puma decides he's better off with EG - I can't really explain it, but it would feel much more awkward for TSL to ask Puma to sign a transfer fee contract in this situation. - EG signs Puma with no transfer fee | ||
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Triscuit
United States722 Posts
On July 27 2011 05:45 ore0z wrote: I think with or without a contract, EG thinks the buyout is too much. But I think I'm misunderstanding your point. Why on earth would you pay a buyout for a player that isn't on a contract? I don't think you understand that buyouts are buying out of a contract. Nothing more. The only reason he's going back and retroactively paying Lee anything is because of the ridiculous shitstorm surrounding this perceived "controversey." Lee doesn't legally deserve a dime. | ||
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EzPz
Scotland64 Posts
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Grimsong
United States252 Posts
On July 27 2011 05:51 yoshi_yoshi wrote: - I can't really explain it, but it would feel much more awkward for TSL to ask Puma to sign a transfer fee contract in this situation. I'll explain it for you then good sir. Puma was never contracted, EG was aware of it to some extent I'm sure. Knowing that, then going to TSL saying hey I'm going to make a shift to EG, what leverage does TSL have to require a transfer fee. Once it's been established that there is no contract between the two (Puma and TSL), there's absolutely no way that TSL can require a transfer fee (buyout) to be paid. EVEN AFTER ALL OF THAT AG goes on to apologize and even say he'd be willing to sort out a retroactive payment system in order to pay TSL for having Puma for the 10 months they had him, EVEN THOUGH he was never on a contract with TSL. | ||
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NightAngel
United States144 Posts
On July 27 2011 05:45 ore0z wrote: I'll quote Grimsong on this one. I think with or without a contract, EG thinks the buyout is too much. But I think I'm misunderstanding your point. I would like to emphasize that doing something legal does not mean it's not "evil." Evil is subjective. I agree that what EG did is legally sound. I don't morally approve of it. They did it to avoid a buyout. A buyout that had no legal backing... | ||
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DDie
Brazil2369 Posts
On July 27 2011 05:46 p1cKLes wrote: I can’t believe some are still making a mountain out of a mole hill. He apologize both in person and publically and at the same time respected “what puma wanted”, yet a few of you are willing to sit EG down and shoot them execution style. I would hate to be on trial and have a few of you on my jury. “He stole a sandwich because he was hungry, but publically apologized and paid the sandwich off.” Juror “Doesn’t matter, execute him!” I think EG handled it very well and given the situation I’m not sure you can do more than publically and personally apologize for any misconstrued disrespect and at the same time completely respect what Puma wanted. Some of you guys need to get over it, what is done is done. When a person makes a mistake perceived as one or not, the way you handle it says a lot about the team. He handled it well and if you don’t think he did, you may need to reread what Eg said. So they act like dicks, snatch Puma off TSL and the whole matter is solved by a simple apologize by EG. Ah, if real life were this easy.. | ||
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waterglen
United States103 Posts
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On July 27 2011 05:58 DDie wrote: So they act like dicks, snatch Puma off TSL and the whole matter is solved by a simple apologize by EG. Ah, if real life were this easy.. They didn't after apologize to Milkis after bashing him for being a translator doing translations, I mean seriously wtf EG | ||
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Triscuit
United States722 Posts
On July 27 2011 05:58 DDie wrote: So they act like dicks, snatch Puma off TSL and the whole matter is solved by a simple apologize by EG. Ah, if real life were this easy.. Explain to me how this was a "snatching." Please. Go into detail. | ||
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ore0z
Romania161 Posts
On July 27 2011 05:51 Grimsong wrote: If you think they -solely- did this in the particular way they did to avoid a buyout, maybe you should consider taking a step back and think about how that is just ONE of MANY factors that the team surely mulled over in regards to how to go about things. Especially considering that EG is a business and a team first and foremost, trying to stay out of the negative while surviving in a very archaic E-Sports scene. That's how I took your quote. On July 27 2011 04:59 Grimsong wrote: AG explained pretty thorougly on WoC that Korean teams, when approached in this situation, commonly put outrageous price tags on their players in hopes of the other team buying out their player. That was something that EG didn't feel was a smart business endeavor. Partner that with the fact that Puma was contracted either way (TSL confirmed this as well), and you can see why AG/EG would prefer to handle things privately. Am I misunderstanding it? On July 27 2011 05:51 yoshi_yoshi wrote:Your argument is that it's bad for someone to do something for their own benefit? You're right. I misphrased that. I just simply don't agree with how they handled it, and tried to kind of sweep it under the rug. On July 27 2011 05:52 Triscuit wrote: Why on earth would you pay a buyout for a player that isn't on a contract? I don't think you understand that buyouts are buying out of a contract. Nothing more. The only reason he's going back and retroactively paying Lee anything is because of the ridiculous shitstorm surrounding this perceived "controversey." Lee doesn't legally deserve a dime. I think you're misunderstanding my point. I think EG just thinks it's a ridiculous amount to pay for a korean player. | ||
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cavalier117
United States430 Posts
On July 27 2011 05:58 DDie wrote: So they act like dicks, snatch Puma off TSL and the whole matter is solved by a simple apologize by EG. Ah, if real life were this easy.. this isnt real life? i think you are losing your grasp of what is reality | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
Just putting that out there. | ||
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sereniity
Sweden1159 Posts
On July 27 2011 00:48 hotwings wrote: What EG did was not right not matter how you spin it. I'm sure they approached Puma and told him about all the money he could be making at EG, and after several conversations had Puma convinced that EG was a better place for him. At that point what did they expect to happen? For TSL to keep an unhappy player on their roster? The TSL coach couldn't have done anything other than to let PUMA go and to express his dissatisfaction with team EG. Of course, you could say that Puma was not under a contract and this is just the nature of buisness. But then again, buisness is a slimey buisness and last time I checked, it's OK to hate slimey people. amiright? This just made me laugh out loud... you literally made all of this up hahahaha... | ||
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NightAngel
United States144 Posts
On July 27 2011 06:01 bonifaceviii wrote: By the way, I agree there needs to be an apology for the treatment of Milkis. Just putting that out there. Please read the bottom of the OP. It has since been edited.. | ||
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MoonfireSpam
United Kingdom1153 Posts
I'll add Incontrol and that TB snipe (but mostly just Incontrol) | ||
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