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On July 27 2011 04:49 Grimsong wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 04:40 0c3LoT wrote:I don't see how "Puma hadn't signed anything at the time of Mr. Lee's press release" is relevant to anything. It seems like the deal was already agreed upon (though no contract had been signed yet), and that Puma basically spoke to Mr. Lee to say "I'm going to EG." TBH it seems like there is a reason why EG didn't want to go through the proper channels, but we may never know why. Why is it that you think Korea customs are automatically the norm in a transaction between two teams in two different countries in an international sport?? Do you have any idea about how international business transactions work? If you go into another country to do business, you do it their way. The same applies if you want to recruit a player from another country. AG explained pretty thorougly on WoC that Korean teams, when approached in this situation, commonly put outrageous price tags on their players in hopes of the other team buying out their player. That was something that EG didn't feel was a smart business endeavor. Partner that with the fact that Puma was contracted either way (TSL confirmed this as well), and you can see why AG/EG would prefer to handle things privately.
So then why didn't AG/EG just come out and say that in this thread? If you're going to make a conscious decision to go about things in a certain way, don't start to backtrack on your decision when it gets exposed and causes a backlash. That just makes you look like a coward and an organization that tries to manipulate people's perceptions.
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On July 27 2011 04:21 originalred04 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 04:13 Djzapz wrote:On July 27 2011 04:06 originalred04 wrote:
@Djzapz
Honor-based system? Not paying your employees is honor based? Covering up a child sex abuse scandal is honor based? Kespa is honor based? I'm all for money and soul binding paper if thats the alternative to "honor based"
Strawman?? then adress the old Kespa ways. Oh nice now you're bringing particular cases. -Not paying your employees is common in US teams which haven't managed to get sponsors yet. -Child abuse happened in one team, could have been murder too. What does it have to do with the culture? What is wrong with you??? -Kespa is obviously not honor based. I never said that the entirety of the scene is like this... -Obviously money and contracts stops child abuse cold. You have grounds for disagreeing with me but unlike the others who have good points, you don't. -Child abuse happened with a SC2 team in the honor based system, directly pointing to the fact that this is not some mythical code of honor adhered to by SC2 players, coaches, and managers
This is just straight up retarded. Anders Breivik killed 76 people, therefore all Norwegians are extreme right wing lunatics yes?
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On July 27 2011 04:55 0c3LoT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 04:49 Grimsong wrote:On July 27 2011 04:40 0c3LoT wrote:I don't see how "Puma hadn't signed anything at the time of Mr. Lee's press release" is relevant to anything. It seems like the deal was already agreed upon (though no contract had been signed yet), and that Puma basically spoke to Mr. Lee to say "I'm going to EG." TBH it seems like there is a reason why EG didn't want to go through the proper channels, but we may never know why. Why is it that you think Korea customs are automatically the norm in a transaction between two teams in two different countries in an international sport?? Do you have any idea about how international business transactions work? If you go into another country to do business, you do it their way. The same applies if you want to recruit a player from another country. AG explained pretty thorougly on WoC that Korean teams, when approached in this situation, commonly put outrageous price tags on their players in hopes of the other team buying out their player. That was something that EG didn't feel was a smart business endeavor. Partner that with the fact that Puma was contracted either way (TSL confirmed this as well), and you can see why AG/EG would prefer to handle things privately. So then why didn't AG/EG just come out and say that in this thread? If you're going to make a conscious decision to go about things in a certain way, don't start to backtrack on your decision when it gets exposed and causes a backlash. That just makes you look like a coward and an organization that tries to manipulate people's perceptions.
I edited to clarify why AG/EG would have that stance if you want to take a look back. Actually...
Keep in mind that PuMa was not contracted at that point, therefore there would be no buyout. No contract = nothing to buyout. Who's to say that TSL wouldn't have flipped things around, contracted Puma, and forced EG into a buyout situation, if they were the first channel involved.
Who's to say Puma being trapped in that situation wouldn't hurt him more than help him? Lets say TSL contracted him for room and board for a year, and only room and board. EG offers up a proposal to Coach Lee. Coach Lee says you must buy out Puma for (just throwing a number, no idea as to what it may be) $30,000. TSL wont budge on the number, and EG isn't prepared to invest $30,000 on buying a player alone, while still having to pay Puma as a player in a completely separate agreement. You don't think...
- EG backs down and leaves Puma to TSL
- Puma continues to play for free (oh wait pizza and a bed)
Is worse than EG contracting a player legitamately? Come on
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On July 27 2011 04:55 0c3LoT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 04:49 Grimsong wrote:On July 27 2011 04:40 0c3LoT wrote:I don't see how "Puma hadn't signed anything at the time of Mr. Lee's press release" is relevant to anything. It seems like the deal was already agreed upon (though no contract had been signed yet), and that Puma basically spoke to Mr. Lee to say "I'm going to EG." TBH it seems like there is a reason why EG didn't want to go through the proper channels, but we may never know why. Why is it that you think Korea customs are automatically the norm in a transaction between two teams in two different countries in an international sport?? Do you have any idea about how international business transactions work? If you go into another country to do business, you do it their way. The same applies if you want to recruit a player from another country. AG explained pretty thorougly on WoC that Korean teams, when approached in this situation, commonly put outrageous price tags on their players in hopes of the other team buying out their player. That was something that EG didn't feel was a smart business endeavor. Partner that with the fact that Puma was contracted either way (TSL confirmed this as well), and you can see why AG/EG would prefer to handle things privately. So then why didn't AG/EG just come out and say that in this thread? If you're going to make a conscious decision to go about things in a certain way, don't start to backtrack on your decision when it gets exposed and causes a backlash. That just makes you look like a coward and an organization that tries to manipulate people's perceptions.
Because if AG just up and said "it's fucking stupid that Korean teams can demand ridiculous transfer fees they don't deserve for players that they don't even have contracts with" it would cause just as much of a shitfest.
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On July 27 2011 04:07 Tleaf wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 27 2011 03:59 NightAngel wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 03:55 Tleaf wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 27 2011 03:51 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 03:47 originalred04 wrote:
@Djzapz,
I'm asking you to tell me what was wrong with what EG did. They talked to the player, player talked to the coach, coach freaked out. How is this EG's fault? It would be better if they talk to Lee, then he freaks out, then they sign Puma anyway? Either way you will hate on it. No contract so they talked to the player first, had there been a contract they would have talked to the team. Very ethical, very practical.
I had no problem with what EG did before they ever told their side, I thought this was a bunch of muke raking the moment i read it on TL. Maybe I'm not too familiar with the way stuff is handled in every sport, but from my experience you don't go behind a team's back and directly approach a player trying to get them to join your team. This may happen in the minor leagues, like where the children play or something... Which I guess is what EG does because you wouldn't think an ADULT would bash Milkis like that. Things may be different in this scene? But what do I know, really, maybe the SC2 scene is just trash and we should accept things like this. I like to think that it's not the case. Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 03:51 Hawk wrote:On July 27 2011 03:43 Djzapz wrote:On July 27 2011 03:40 originalred04 wrote:
@Djzapz
What was disingenuous about it, and what was illegitimate? Read the response if he had been in a contract they would have bought out his contract like they did with several other players. There was no contract, read that again, there was no contract. If Korea can't compere with US teams then that means Koreans will get paid on US teams instead of working for free on a Korean one, how is this bad? EG says it's fine so it's fine? Come on. Koreans have many "spoken contracts" basically, and EG went and talked to the player without contacting the team, etc. Why should spoken agreements that are only honored in Korea make any difference to a team that is not located there?? And since there's no group overseeing these transactions, why is it that people assume the default should be the korean way of doing things, which no one else does at all? Respect for a culture and a way of doing things, but I guess EG might US it up and just force a people to change its way of doing things.  but the apology to coach lee was a great gesture Do you people not read?! You didnt read the original he edited in the Milkis part later and yes I'm sorry for not re-reading the original post and I'm glad he said something about Milkis
Your quoted and emboldened comment was posted hours after AG edited the OP.
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On July 27 2011 04:59 bonifaceviii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 04:55 0c3LoT wrote:On July 27 2011 04:49 Grimsong wrote:On July 27 2011 04:40 0c3LoT wrote:I don't see how "Puma hadn't signed anything at the time of Mr. Lee's press release" is relevant to anything. It seems like the deal was already agreed upon (though no contract had been signed yet), and that Puma basically spoke to Mr. Lee to say "I'm going to EG." TBH it seems like there is a reason why EG didn't want to go through the proper channels, but we may never know why. Why is it that you think Korea customs are automatically the norm in a transaction between two teams in two different countries in an international sport?? Do you have any idea about how international business transactions work? If you go into another country to do business, you do it their way. The same applies if you want to recruit a player from another country. AG explained pretty thorougly on WoC that Korean teams, when approached in this situation, commonly put outrageous price tags on their players in hopes of the other team buying out their player. That was something that EG didn't feel was a smart business endeavor. Partner that with the fact that Puma was contracted either way (TSL confirmed this as well), and you can see why AG/EG would prefer to handle things privately. So then why didn't AG/EG just come out and say that in this thread? If you're going to make a conscious decision to go about things in a certain way, don't start to backtrack on your decision when it gets exposed and causes a backlash. That just makes you look like a coward and an organization that tries to manipulate people's perceptions. Because if AG just up and said "it's fucking stupid that Korean teams can demand ridiculous transfer fees they don't deserve for players that they don't even have contracts with" it would cause just as much of a shitfest.
I like the way you talk.
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On July 27 2011 02:15 Deekin[ wrote:
You give PuMa alot of cash and a good deal, but you have disgraced yourself with this transfer EG.
Its not a transfer, he was never contracted. The contract would state a buout/transfer fee. He had none. In an effort to smooth things over EG is offering to pay a reasonable transfer fee.
Personally, I think TSL manager is handling this horribly, I think he's handled his team horribly which is why there is 3 high level pro's that have quit his team. He asked contracted players for there salary back. That's horrible for morale, and of course has played into current events.
Cry about EG, why not review the managers horrible decisions in the first place. PUMA has seemed very willing to jump ship...Gee I WONDER WHY???
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On July 27 2011 05:14 purecarnagge wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 02:15 Deekin[ wrote:
You give PuMa alot of cash and a good deal, but you have disgraced yourself with this transfer EG. Its not a transfer, he was never contracted.
It's not a transfer according to how things are done in the US. That's not the same.
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On July 27 2011 05:15 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 05:14 purecarnagge wrote:On July 27 2011 02:15 Deekin[ wrote:
You give PuMa alot of cash and a good deal, but you have disgraced yourself with this transfer EG. Its not a transfer, he was never contracted. It's not a transfer according to how things are done in the US. That's not the same.
Its not a transfer even if this is by Korean terms as even TSL admitted to not having any kind of contract with Puma. Verbal or non-verbal. On a rock or in their wild imaginations.
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On July 27 2011 04:59 bonifaceviii wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 04:55 0c3LoT wrote:On July 27 2011 04:49 Grimsong wrote:On July 27 2011 04:40 0c3LoT wrote:I don't see how "Puma hadn't signed anything at the time of Mr. Lee's press release" is relevant to anything. It seems like the deal was already agreed upon (though no contract had been signed yet), and that Puma basically spoke to Mr. Lee to say "I'm going to EG." TBH it seems like there is a reason why EG didn't want to go through the proper channels, but we may never know why. Why is it that you think Korea customs are automatically the norm in a transaction between two teams in two different countries in an international sport?? Do you have any idea about how international business transactions work? If you go into another country to do business, you do it their way. The same applies if you want to recruit a player from another country. AG explained pretty thorougly on WoC that Korean teams, when approached in this situation, commonly put outrageous price tags on their players in hopes of the other team buying out their player. That was something that EG didn't feel was a smart business endeavor. Partner that with the fact that Puma was contracted either way (TSL confirmed this as well), and you can see why AG/EG would prefer to handle things privately. So then why didn't AG/EG just come out and say that in this thread? If you're going to make a conscious decision to go about things in a certain way, don't start to backtrack on your decision when it gets exposed and causes a backlash. That just makes you look like a coward and an organization that tries to manipulate people's perceptions. Because if AG just up and said "it's fucking stupid that Korean teams can demand ridiculous transfer fees they don't deserve for players that they don't even have contracts with" it would cause just as much of a shitfest.
So it's okay to be a coward and try to manipulate public perception because you're scared of creating a shitfest... okay, oops, too late for that!
Just goes to show the lack of foresight the management of EG has.
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On July 27 2011 05:17 Grimsong wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 05:15 Djzapz wrote:On July 27 2011 05:14 purecarnagge wrote:On July 27 2011 02:15 Deekin[ wrote:
You give PuMa alot of cash and a good deal, but you have disgraced yourself with this transfer EG. Its not a transfer, he was never contracted. It's not a transfer according to how things are done in the US. That's not the same. Its not a transfer even if this is by Korean terms as even TSL admitted to not having any kind of contract with Puma. Verbal or non-verbal. On a rock or in their wild imaginations.
I certainly didn't see that and read the opposite many times, so maybe I'm mistaken.
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On July 27 2011 05:18 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 05:17 Grimsong wrote:On July 27 2011 05:15 Djzapz wrote:On July 27 2011 05:14 purecarnagge wrote:On July 27 2011 02:15 Deekin[ wrote:
You give PuMa alot of cash and a good deal, but you have disgraced yourself with this transfer EG. Its not a transfer, he was never contracted. It's not a transfer according to how things are done in the US. That's not the same. Its not a transfer even if this is by Korean terms as even TSL admitted to not having any kind of contract with Puma. Verbal or non-verbal. On a rock or in their wild imaginations. I certainly didn't see that and read the opposite many times, so maybe I'm mistaken.
Could you supply quotes? I don't think I've ever read that there was any kind of contract between TSL and PuMa.
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On July 27 2011 02:18 originalred04 wrote:
@ Vertical
So can you give us a list of what you dislike about EG? What makes them unlikable Vs. any other team?
Balance whining and dishonesty.
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On July 27 2011 05:18 0c3LoT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 04:59 bonifaceviii wrote:On July 27 2011 04:55 0c3LoT wrote:On July 27 2011 04:49 Grimsong wrote:On July 27 2011 04:40 0c3LoT wrote:I don't see how "Puma hadn't signed anything at the time of Mr. Lee's press release" is relevant to anything. It seems like the deal was already agreed upon (though no contract had been signed yet), and that Puma basically spoke to Mr. Lee to say "I'm going to EG." TBH it seems like there is a reason why EG didn't want to go through the proper channels, but we may never know why. Why is it that you think Korea customs are automatically the norm in a transaction between two teams in two different countries in an international sport?? Do you have any idea about how international business transactions work? If you go into another country to do business, you do it their way. The same applies if you want to recruit a player from another country. AG explained pretty thorougly on WoC that Korean teams, when approached in this situation, commonly put outrageous price tags on their players in hopes of the other team buying out their player. That was something that EG didn't feel was a smart business endeavor. Partner that with the fact that Puma was contracted either way (TSL confirmed this as well), and you can see why AG/EG would prefer to handle things privately. So then why didn't AG/EG just come out and say that in this thread? If you're going to make a conscious decision to go about things in a certain way, don't start to backtrack on your decision when it gets exposed and causes a backlash. That just makes you look like a coward and an organization that tries to manipulate people's perceptions. Because if AG just up and said "it's fucking stupid that Korean teams can demand ridiculous transfer fees they don't deserve for players that they don't even have contracts with" it would cause just as much of a shitfest. So it's okay to be a coward and try to manipulate public perception because you're scared of creating a shitfest... okay, oops, too late for that! Just goes to show the lack of foresight the management of EG has.
I completely agree that there was a lack of foresight. Not that Coach Lee would bawww to the Korean press (that's a given), but that Teamliquid would dogpile onto EG to defend the imploding Korean team that couldn't be bothered to contract its players.
I, admittedly, shared the same lack of foresight.
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On July 27 2011 05:18 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 05:17 Grimsong wrote:On July 27 2011 05:15 Djzapz wrote:On July 27 2011 05:14 purecarnagge wrote:On July 27 2011 02:15 Deekin[ wrote:
You give PuMa alot of cash and a good deal, but you have disgraced yourself with this transfer EG. Its not a transfer, he was never contracted. It's not a transfer according to how things are done in the US. That's not the same. Its not a transfer even if this is by Korean terms as even TSL admitted to not having any kind of contract with Puma. Verbal or non-verbal. On a rock or in their wild imaginations. I certainly didn't see that and read the opposite many times, so maybe I'm mistaken.
Sure, here ya are
TSL's Coach Lee speaks out on PuMa
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=246368
So why didn’t you sign PuMa to a contract beforehand?
At first, we wanted him on a contract, and so did the other teammates. But we did not feel it was necessary at the time since everyone showed so much passion and commitment. I trusted him, but now I am regretting my decision [to put off the contract] a little bit.
On the OP.
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Any 1 know if EG has given Milkis a proper apology regarding their actions yet? if they have, link please?
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On July 27 2011 04:59 Grimsong wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 04:55 0c3LoT wrote:On July 27 2011 04:49 Grimsong wrote:On July 27 2011 04:40 0c3LoT wrote:I don't see how "Puma hadn't signed anything at the time of Mr. Lee's press release" is relevant to anything. It seems like the deal was already agreed upon (though no contract had been signed yet), and that Puma basically spoke to Mr. Lee to say "I'm going to EG." TBH it seems like there is a reason why EG didn't want to go through the proper channels, but we may never know why. Why is it that you think Korea customs are automatically the norm in a transaction between two teams in two different countries in an international sport?? Do you have any idea about how international business transactions work? If you go into another country to do business, you do it their way. The same applies if you want to recruit a player from another country. AG explained pretty thorougly on WoC that Korean teams, when approached in this situation, commonly put outrageous price tags on their players in hopes of the other team buying out their player. That was something that EG didn't feel was a smart business endeavor. Partner that with the fact that Puma was contracted either way (TSL confirmed this as well), and you can see why AG/EG would prefer to handle things privately. So then why didn't AG/EG just come out and say that in this thread? If you're going to make a conscious decision to go about things in a certain way, don't start to backtrack on your decision when it gets exposed and causes a backlash. That just makes you look like a coward and an organization that tries to manipulate people's perceptions. I edited to clarify why AG/EG would have that stance if you want to take a look back. Actually... Show nested quote +Keep in mind that PuMa was not contracted at that point, therefore there would be no buyout. No contract = nothing to buyout. Who's to say that TSL wouldn't have flipped things around, contracted Puma, and forced EG into a buyout situation, if they were the first channel involved.
Who's to say Puma being trapped in that situation wouldn't hurt him more than help him? Lets say TSL contracted him for room and board for a year, and only room and board. EG offers up a proposal to Coach Lee. Coach Lee says you must buy out Puma for (just throwing a number, no idea as to what it may be) $30,000. TSL wont budge on the number, and EG isn't prepared to invest $30,000 on buying a player alone, while still having to pay Puma as a player in a completely separate agreement. You don't think...
- EG backs down and leaves Puma to TSL
- Puma continues to play for free (oh wait pizza and a bed)
Is worse than EG contracting a player legitamately? Come on
I would like to argue this point
It's like doing something evil to do something good.
An example would be a man stealing food for his hungry family.
In all honesty, the problem isn't that Puma is getting paid more.
My issue seems to be that EG did this more for their own personal benefit, than that of Puma.
EG definitely benefited from this. Puma getting a higher pay just helps their appearance.
EG seems shady in this because of what they did. I don't condemn that Puma has benefited from this. I condemn EG's means.
I can't put EG down for this because Puma is getting a better deal. But i don't promote this kind of behavior.
On July 27 2011 04:59 bonifaceviii wrote:
Because if AG just up and said "it's fucking stupid that Korean teams can demand ridiculous transfer fees they don't deserve for players that they don't even have contracts with" it would cause just as much of a shitfest.
I think EG's stance is along the lines of
"I don't think Koreans can demand an outrageous transfer fee, irregardless of a contract."
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On July 27 2011 05:32 ore0z wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 04:59 Grimsong wrote:On July 27 2011 04:55 0c3LoT wrote:On July 27 2011 04:49 Grimsong wrote:On July 27 2011 04:40 0c3LoT wrote:I don't see how "Puma hadn't signed anything at the time of Mr. Lee's press release" is relevant to anything. It seems like the deal was already agreed upon (though no contract had been signed yet), and that Puma basically spoke to Mr. Lee to say "I'm going to EG." TBH it seems like there is a reason why EG didn't want to go through the proper channels, but we may never know why. Why is it that you think Korea customs are automatically the norm in a transaction between two teams in two different countries in an international sport?? Do you have any idea about how international business transactions work? If you go into another country to do business, you do it their way. The same applies if you want to recruit a player from another country. AG explained pretty thorougly on WoC that Korean teams, when approached in this situation, commonly put outrageous price tags on their players in hopes of the other team buying out their player. That was something that EG didn't feel was a smart business endeavor. Partner that with the fact that Puma was contracted either way (TSL confirmed this as well), and you can see why AG/EG would prefer to handle things privately. So then why didn't AG/EG just come out and say that in this thread? If you're going to make a conscious decision to go about things in a certain way, don't start to backtrack on your decision when it gets exposed and causes a backlash. That just makes you look like a coward and an organization that tries to manipulate people's perceptions. I edited to clarify why AG/EG would have that stance if you want to take a look back. Actually... Keep in mind that PuMa was not contracted at that point, therefore there would be no buyout. No contract = nothing to buyout. Who's to say that TSL wouldn't have flipped things around, contracted Puma, and forced EG into a buyout situation, if they were the first channel involved.
Who's to say Puma being trapped in that situation wouldn't hurt him more than help him? Lets say TSL contracted him for room and board for a year, and only room and board. EG offers up a proposal to Coach Lee. Coach Lee says you must buy out Puma for (just throwing a number, no idea as to what it may be) $30,000. TSL wont budge on the number, and EG isn't prepared to invest $30,000 on buying a player alone, while still having to pay Puma as a player in a completely separate agreement. You don't think...
- EG backs down and leaves Puma to TSL
- Puma continues to play for free (oh wait pizza and a bed)
Is worse than EG contracting a player legitamately? Come on I would like to argue this point It's like doing something evil to do something good. An example would be a man stealing food for his hungry family. In all honesty, the problem isn't that Puma is getting paid more. My issue seems to be that EG did this more for their own personal benefit, than that of Puma. EG definitely benefited from this. Puma getting a higher pay just helps their appearance. EG seems shady in this because of what they did. I don't condemn that Puma has benefited from this. I condemn EG's means. I can't put EG down for this because Puma is getting a better deal. But i don't promote this kind of behavior. Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 04:59 bonifaceviii wrote:
Because if AG just up and said "it's fucking stupid that Korean teams can demand ridiculous transfer fees they don't deserve for players that they don't even have contracts with" it would cause just as much of a shitfest. I think EG's stance is along the lines of "I don't think Koreans can demand an outrageous transfer fee, irregardless of a contract."
Except that EG didn't steal food or do anything illegal. They made a business decision. They made a team decision. They made a decision that benefited both parties involved. They made a decision to sign a gamer to a contract so he could get his money while still playing professional Starcraft 2.
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On July 27 2011 05:32 ore0z wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 04:59 bonifaceviii wrote:
Because if AG just up and said "it's fucking stupid that Korean teams can demand ridiculous transfer fees they don't deserve for players that they don't even have contracts with" it would cause just as much of a shitfest. I think EG's stance is along the lines of "I don't think Koreans can demand an outrageous transfer fee, irregardless of a contract."
If that were true, EG would have a lot more Korean players right now. Alex is on the record saying that he had approached lots of Korean players the same way at NASL, and the only one EG has secured is the one without a current contract.
Funny, that.
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On July 27 2011 05:32 ore0z wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 04:59 Grimsong wrote:On July 27 2011 04:55 0c3LoT wrote:On July 27 2011 04:49 Grimsong wrote:On July 27 2011 04:40 0c3LoT wrote:I don't see how "Puma hadn't signed anything at the time of Mr. Lee's press release" is relevant to anything. It seems like the deal was already agreed upon (though no contract had been signed yet), and that Puma basically spoke to Mr. Lee to say "I'm going to EG." TBH it seems like there is a reason why EG didn't want to go through the proper channels, but we may never know why. Why is it that you think Korea customs are automatically the norm in a transaction between two teams in two different countries in an international sport?? Do you have any idea about how international business transactions work? If you go into another country to do business, you do it their way. The same applies if you want to recruit a player from another country. AG explained pretty thorougly on WoC that Korean teams, when approached in this situation, commonly put outrageous price tags on their players in hopes of the other team buying out their player. That was something that EG didn't feel was a smart business endeavor. Partner that with the fact that Puma was contracted either way (TSL confirmed this as well), and you can see why AG/EG would prefer to handle things privately. So then why didn't AG/EG just come out and say that in this thread? If you're going to make a conscious decision to go about things in a certain way, don't start to backtrack on your decision when it gets exposed and causes a backlash. That just makes you look like a coward and an organization that tries to manipulate people's perceptions. I edited to clarify why AG/EG would have that stance if you want to take a look back. Actually... Keep in mind that PuMa was not contracted at that point, therefore there would be no buyout. No contract = nothing to buyout. Who's to say that TSL wouldn't have flipped things around, contracted Puma, and forced EG into a buyout situation, if they were the first channel involved.
Who's to say Puma being trapped in that situation wouldn't hurt him more than help him? Lets say TSL contracted him for room and board for a year, and only room and board. EG offers up a proposal to Coach Lee. Coach Lee says you must buy out Puma for (just throwing a number, no idea as to what it may be) $30,000. TSL wont budge on the number, and EG isn't prepared to invest $30,000 on buying a player alone, while still having to pay Puma as a player in a completely separate agreement. You don't think...
- EG backs down and leaves Puma to TSL
- Puma continues to play for free (oh wait pizza and a bed)
Is worse than EG contracting a player legitamately? Come on I think EG's stance is along the lines of "I don't think Koreans can demand an outrageous transfer fee, irregardless of a contract."
Pretty sure its more like "The only legal means with which to demand a transfer fee is a contract."
Common sense.
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