EPTin NA, generally its just to give 2 weeks notice, at least that's what i've been accustomed to.
Puma leaves TSL for EG - Page 302
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
in NA, generally its just to give 2 weeks notice, at least that's what i've been accustomed to. | ||
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nufcrulz
Singapore934 Posts
I mean either the coach is willing to let Puma go or he knows he has no choice in the matter. Either way i don't see how Coach Lee should whine about what clearly was his fault in the first place. Also, why isnt EG's position on this in the OP as well. Why am i getting one sided views from the Korean side? | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:44 PBG wrote: yeah poor guy I don't even know why he was even on the show. Ideally you'd want Coach Lee on the show but due to the language barriers i'd imagine it would have been a recipe for disaster, especially on such short notice as the story isn't even 1 day old. He was probably the only guy wheat could get on the show at this time that could explain the korean point of view. But he was clearly outmatched in this debate. | ||
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VillageBC
322 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:43 War Horse wrote: Well now EG has a player that will do well in Korea Watch this deal fall through, since it's not signed. TSL/Lee feel bad for Puma and take him back but put him under a kespa styled contract... Everyone loses. | ||
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h3nG
46 Posts
The way I see it: 1. TSL provided PUMA the opportunity to become awesome (housing, food, training, etc...) 2. PUMA becomes awesome thanks to TSL >>>>PUMA being awesome can bring in TSL money via +SPONSORS for TSL 4. EG pulled of a NINJA move on STEALS the opportunity from TSL. + for PUMA ++ for EG - - for TSL Who loss and gained?? No shit TSL is mad. They got robbed of step 3. | ||
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Marsupian
Netherlands455 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:36 KevinBacon wrote: I am pretty sure players like Puma don't have a contract because korean teams didn't expect this kind of ninja steal from foreigner teams could happen since it doesn't amonst the korean ones if they knew i think they would have made them sign contracts even without a salary which i believe will happen in the future. The thing is those "rules" between korean teams are ignorant. It's in the best interest of the players if they are free to go if they haven't signed a contract. If not teams could just refuse to let their players go and treat them poorly. EG could offer more to the player than TSL and Puma wasn't signed so he was free to go. If he was bound by some unwritten rule that he couldn't leave that would have been bad for the player as it takes away opportunities from him. Contracting you players is necessary in any where money is involved and SC2 is no different. You can't just bind your players with unwritten rules and expect them to stay with you even tho there are parties that offer more to them. That is just arrogant imo. Also calling this a "ninja steal" is out of tune with reality. Do you really expect every team to not offer your players a contract because they are already with a team? You can't blame EG for doing that as they are only offering to support a player. It's in the best interest of the players that they get offers as this gives them a choice and will force teams to compete for players which will improve the support they will get. | ||
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NexUmbra
Scotland3776 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:45 nufcrulz wrote: Also, why isnt EG's position on this in the OP as well. Why am i getting one sided views from the Korean side? Because this is a TRANSLATED ARTICLE By the Korean website which dislikes this. | ||
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Charger
United States2405 Posts
I still can't decide if it's ok for a player to break the news to his coach/team as opposed to the competing team doing it. I mean, Puma has been around the block and knows how things work so if I was in EG's shoes and he told me he would take care of it and talk to his coach then I probably would have done the same thing and let him do that. IF the news came back that the talk did not go well, I would have immediately called Lee. From what AG said though, Puma said the talk(s) went well. Although maybe even at that point it's a good idea to talk to Lee, but I don't know if there was even time for this to happen as it seems Lee went immediately to the 'press'. It's easy in retrospect to know what to do but following the timeline as it actually happened makes things a little blurry. | ||
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TOCHMY
Sweden1692 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:43 War Horse wrote: Well now EG has a player that will do well in Korea not yet :3 he's not signed yet ^^ | ||
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esotericc
449 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:44 NexUmbra wrote: Instead they house them, feed them and give them the best practice conditions in the world. And if the team dissolves or they don't win tournaments now what? No salary they have nothing to fall back on. Pay your employees or expect someone else too. | ||
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Immolate
42 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:44 InvalidID wrote: What I find offensive and unreasonable is this belief that for some reason consent or notification should be provided by an employer hiring a person from another company. TSL_Puma wanted to leave his job, as he was being paid only in coaching and room and board, for another company, that gave him a better offer. This is standard in business, and no courtesy call would be expected, nor generally given. This belief that TSL was somehow robbed, neglects employee rights in favor of monopolistic employers(and any organization of companies, formal or informal, that prohibits free transfer of employees is monopolistic). many people in many jobs around the world trade their pay for pre-provided food/shelter. why are you being so ridiculous? On July 22 2011 10:47 esotericc wrote: And if the team dissolves or they don't win tournaments now what? No salary they have nothing to fall back on. Pay your employees or expect someone else too. employee at business X loses crappy entry level job, now has nothing to fall back on, so you blame the company for offering him a job? wat | ||
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oBlade
United States5789 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:43 Dingobloo wrote: How would TL feel if we just started posting baseless accusations in the sidebar as facts? This isn't that big, but there was certainly misinformation involved, that Puma was already signed (he isn't). TL in general prides itself on the quality of it's posts, something it has control over due to the moderation of the forum and rumors without fact checking or seeking statements should be the basis of a quality post about breaking news. The quality control mechanisms of TL have given us thousands of successful translations. If there was confusion about the Puma situation, it's a small price for such quick translation for the community. | ||
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poorbeggarman
139 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:44 PBG wrote: yeah poor guy I don't even know why he was even on the show. Ideally you'd want Coach Lee on the show but due to the language barriers i'd imagine it would have been a recipe for disaster, especially on such short notice as the story isn't even 1 day old. Well, that, and the show was at 8am Seoul time. Imagine getting a call from DJWheat at 4-5am in the morning to come on the show. | ||
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InvalidID
United States1050 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:47 turdburgler wrote: many people in many jobs around the world trade their pay for pre-provided food/shelter. why are you being so ridiculous? I agree, and I said I never said I had a problem with that. I have a problem with people thinking there is something wrong with recruiting employees of other companies. There is nothing wrong with that, it is good for the employees, and any protections that prevent that only hurt the employees. Contracts that limit an employees ability to move to another company are illegal in many parts of the US, and are ridiculous practices. | ||
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NexUmbra
Scotland3776 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:47 esotericc wrote: And if the team dissolves or they don't win tournaments now what? No salary they have nothing to fall back on. Pay your employees or expect someone else too. Jesus this isn't some kind of typical job, this is their dream, to be a progamer. And if they are worried about "having nothing to fall back on" then don't become a progamer and go get a normal job. | ||
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acgFork
Canada397 Posts
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:44 InvalidID wrote: What I find offensive and unreasonable is this belief that for some reason consent or notification should be provided by an employer hiring a person from another company. TSL_Puma wanted to leave his job, as he was being paid only in coaching and room and board, for another company, that gave him a better offer. This is standard in business, and no courtesy call would be expected, nor generally given. This belief that TSL was somehow robbed, neglects employee rights in favor of monopolistic employers(and any organization of companies, formal or informal, that prohibits free transfer of employees is monopolistic). Buisness-wise it is understandable. Ethically it is way less, especially if you take into account the cultural problem, and they should have taked it into account if they wanted to be respectful. I can understand that koreans are not happy about it. | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
Namely, the fact that Puma still hasn't signed and that AG is seeking to talk to Coach Lee. | ||
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TheButtonmen
Canada1403 Posts
On July 22 2011 10:49 NexUmbra wrote: Jesus this isn't some kind of typical job, this is their dream, to be a progamer. And if they are worried about "having nothing to fall back on" then don't become a progamer and go get a normal job. Fun fact, progamers still need to eat. Players being payed is a good thing. | ||
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