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On July 22 2011 05:08 dacthehork wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 05:06 D.Devil wrote:On July 22 2011 05:00 SkimGuy wrote:
The people defending EG don't get it. Sure there was no contract, but it's not the way things are done in Korean culture. The Coach fully said that if EG contacted him first, he would have gladly negotiated something to let Puma join EG because he wants what is best for Puma, but EG went behind their backs so he feels there is a lack of respect, and doesn't believe e-sports should be like this. A player signing should be more professional, instead of relying on a legal loophole to sign players without any repercussion. Why do Western teams have to adjust to Korean culture? Why shouldn't TSL feel obligated to comply with the way Western esports is run? After all, they allowed PuMa to participate in a non-Korean tournament, too. Let's face it: Right now, Western esports clans are managed in a more professional way than the Korean ones. Contracts are an absolute must and the industry standard since half a decade. stop talking. Korean scene is majorly more professional, and contracts will become mandatory after this event. Korean scene has training facilities / team houses / and actually produces good players instead of buying them. The biggest surprise will be expecting PuMa to do well at all after being probably blacklisted from any korean practice partners. The environment that produced him is no longer there, he won't be allowed in basically any training house in Korea. It will be interesting to see how he will train / get better from here.
This is exactly my point, puma may be good now, and maybe he will win a few more things or place well in the near future, but as time goes by he gave up everything for a bit of money. He gave up his friends and practice partners at TSL he gave up the respect of the korean community and i guarantee you he will have a hard time finding solid practice partners in korea.
Coach lee is very very respected in the korean e-sports community and it would be silly to think their isnt friendship and communication between him and the other coaches. I dont see things going so well for puma in the future beyond his salary with EG, i dont even really see how this benifits EG much even if puma moved to the pheonix house (wich i dont think he will) he doesnt speak english and will probably be miserable there, sure i guess it could help EG players with a better practice partner but its still just 1 practice partner.
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On July 22 2011 05:23 chatuka wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 05:20 Domination wrote:
All I know is that I have a tough time believing that EG is just an innocent little flower targeted by drama llamas when something always seems to happen involving either their team or their players on a bi-weekly basis. You should see the relationship of Corporations and how corrupt they are. this little talent grab is nothing. It's a measly mosquito. While GM or Apple is like a big dinosaur ready to feed or hunt on an empty stomach. you have a lot to learn about business.
Cool, I'm glad that had nothing to do with the point of my post. Thanks for teaching me the ways of the world, oh wise one.
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What’s done is done. TSL is not upset about the transfer or whether or not Puma wants to go with another team, and I think EG had every right to want to acquire Puma, but the bottom line is EG could have handled it better. Because now instead of a smooth transaction that would have been great publicity for EG, they now have a “shit storm” to deal with. Both domestically and internationally as the Korean teams are talking right now about how to avoid this type of thing in the future.
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On July 22 2011 05:23 bonifaceviii wrote:Guys, I know not a lot of you follow market news but this is happening, like, right now. All the marketing executives of Research in Motion are getting sniped by Samsung (a KOREAN company).Show nested quote +As RIM engages in layoffs, weathers investor criticism, and struggles to reassert itself in the mobile industry, the company may be facing something of a brain drain: a senior product manager for RIM’s PlayBook tablet, Ryan Bidan, has jumped ship to Samsung Mobile to service as director of product marketing—at least according to his LInkedIn profile.
The move comes barely a month after RIM’s chief marketing office Brain Wallace left the company for Samsung; that defection, in term, followed only a few months after the departure of Keith Pardy, who had headed up RIM’s BlackBerry marketing efforts. At the time, RIM did not announce a replacement, instead indicating co-CEO Jim Balsillie would be taking on more promotional duties.
The move comes after the lackluster launch of the BlackBerry PlayBook, which has so far failed to meet sales expectations and has generally been greeted with half-hearted reviews that the device simply was not ready for market.
Industry watchers speculate RIM may be in for more high-level defections as the company continues to engage in layoffs. Dissatisfaction within the company seem high; RIM recently had to take the unusual step of publicly responding to an open letter, apparently from a high-level RIM exec, outlining eight steps he or she believed would be critical to turning the company around. The author of the letter claimed to be articulating concerns from a “huge percentage” of RIM’s employee base. When your company is imploding, other companies will come and make offers to your talent. It's just business.
I read this. it's a power move from Samsung. To compete against Apple. Which is ironic, since Samsung provides Apple with an extraordinary amount of high quality components.
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On July 22 2011 05:22 PHC wrote:On another note, some esports fans are showing their true colors: Aikepah Austin Welch @OrangeMilkis I would call him unemployed because he wasn't getting paid from TSL  26 minutes ago Aikepah Austin Welch @OrangeMilkis It wouldn't be an issue if Koreans grew up and stopped crying just because TSL lost all of their players to teams that pay. 5 minutes ago Wooju Lee @Aikepah Can you stop tweeting me culturally insensitive nonsense? Thanks. 4 minutes ago via web Aikepah Austin Welch@OrangeMilkis If koreans want to be stupid little fucktards that need to grow up, then no, I wont stop, especially since you are one of them2 minutes ago Yuck, can we stop with posts like these...? Holy shit. Disgusting to think he's a part of our community.
Who is that..?
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On July 22 2011 05:15 JWD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 05:08 Shamrock_ wrote:
In the business world conduct like this is so thoroughly frowned upon that other companies may not even work with you. I can absolutely understand TSL's problem with it and I think EG should've seen this coming. It is? I'm curious what exactly you mean. I don't know that much about standard employment practices but I am pretty sure it's regular in the U.S. to set up a second job before you quit your first, and give your two weeks' notice/notify your employer of the other job only once you have that job set up. My understanding is that it's mostly NCCs that prevent companies from approaching other companies' employees with job offers, not business ethics. I can think of a couple examples to support this understanding: college football coaches being hired away by NFL teams before announcing that they've left their colleges, low-level execs at companies being courted for CEO-ships at other companies... What examples are you thinking of when you say that this conduct is "frowned upon"?
Happens in the health-care field all the time too, well known doctors or administrators are blatantly courted at all times. Even "lower" level staff such as nurses will be offered jobs at other facilites as new wings are opened as every site wants a well trained veteran staff. Also the whole other companies will stop working with you thing? Complete crap, nobody is going to turn down contracts just because one side has "poached" talented workers, you in fact look for the company with the best staff if at all possible as you obviously want to work with skilled and experienced people.
I don't get all the hate this is receiving, we should be glad players have the chance to move around getting the best offer they can as what is the other option? Team ownership of players / stiff penalties on switching?
TSL messed up (yes they straight up messed up, don't give me any of that "that's not the Korean way" drivel as that's straight up wrong, go look up E-sports history in Korea or just talk to anyone who has done work in Korea / with Korean firms). Their coach is now upset and attacking EG for capitalizing on his mistakes and rather then simply learning from this he instead wants some outside body setup to stop players from being able to switch teams.
EG gets an awesome new player for cheap.
Puma gets more pay, more prize money, a hell of a lot more playtime and a whole ton of publicity.
Good on both of them I say.
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On July 22 2011 05:24 BoxersGosuGarden wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 05:19 Antoine wrote:On July 22 2011 05:12 farvacola wrote:On July 22 2011 05:10 dacthehork wrote:On July 22 2011 05:08 Shamrock_ wrote:
In the business world conduct like this is so thoroughly frowned upon that other companies may not even work with you. I can absolutely understand TSL's problem with it and I think EG should've seen this coming. Exactly this is a pretty big mark against EG. It's completely legal, but ethics wise it's pretty nutty to expect no backlash off poaching talent from other companies/teams. Yet again, as far as we know Puma wanted off TSL for a while and approached EG at NASL, we simply do not have the full story yet (especially considering that Mr. Lee basically acused EG and Puma of out and out lying). Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions. xeris said in this very thread that an eg guy was approaching players an nasl. On July 22 2011 05:14 dsousa wrote:
This is ridiculous.
Puma is a free man and if he messed up or sucked, TSL could have and would have dropped him. Since they can drop him at anytime, he is also free to leave at any time for greener pastures.
puma did almost nothing in terms of visible results for tsl for a long, long, long time, and yet was not dropped. why speculate that he would be dropped out of nowhere if his results returned to that? that's true. also why did EG pick up PuMa right after winning NASL and not before that? and I would bet that EG won't treat PuMa the same when he starts slumping since they are recruiting just recent winners. ninja recruiting players right after winning a major tournament seems underhanded to me.
They picked him up when he reached the round of 4. Says so in the OP.
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On July 22 2011 04:48 trikshun wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 04:32 PHC wrote:On July 22 2011 04:27 StatikKhaos wrote:On July 22 2011 04:25 PHC wrote:On July 22 2011 04:24 Sein wrote:
EG, what do you say to TSL's accusation that you lied? Where is your secondary damage control team for the damage control team? What bothers me the most are the tweets coming from EG's team manager: SirScoots SirScoots I see esports journalism continues its fine tradition of no fact checking! Bravo! Bravo! /me rolls eyes 11 hours ago @thedevilshorse @OrangeMilkis Actually, I was not talking about them either...everyone assumes to "know" everything these days. 11 hours ago @thirnaz umadbro? 9 hours ago @ZinZio what does laughing at your comment do then?  3 hours ago @ZinZio Then you should not be so quick to judge without hearing all the facts eh? Just a thought or take jabs and hate instead I guess. 3 hours ago Lol there we go with one sidedness, did you read what thimaz said? you can't just post one side of a conversation Yes, I did. thirnaz adam @SirScoots you have yo be the biggest fucking joke of all time within esports; such a sad character you are. 10 hours ago ZinZio Zach @SirScoots Your response to @thirnaz just goes to show how professional EG has become.. 3 hours ago The fact that he's not addressing the issue and is replying to hateful comments with "umadbro?" with millions of SC fans around the world watching and hundreds of Korean progaming careers are affected because of his behavior.... Do the whole thing UncleKerm Xavier Sadoulet @SirScoots Hey Scoot is there any plan to get EG's side of the "Puma acquisition" ? Sirscoots @UncleKerm of course
So basically we will get an answer once EG decides what the truth is. If it "is what it is" they should be able to explain it much more quickly. I think FXO is the future model for e-sports teams. They really handle themselves well. When they first announced FXO in the GSTL I thought it was some huge joke, but what they've done since has made me grow pretty fond of the management/team. Its weird because that has trickled down to the players and I find myself rooting for relative unknowns just because I like team FXO.
With EG its like... If I want to like their players it has to be DESPITE the team they are a part of.
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On July 22 2011 05:24 BoxersGosuGarden wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 05:19 Antoine wrote:On July 22 2011 05:12 farvacola wrote:On July 22 2011 05:10 dacthehork wrote:On July 22 2011 05:08 Shamrock_ wrote:
In the business world conduct like this is so thoroughly frowned upon that other companies may not even work with you. I can absolutely understand TSL's problem with it and I think EG should've seen this coming. Exactly this is a pretty big mark against EG. It's completely legal, but ethics wise it's pretty nutty to expect no backlash off poaching talent from other companies/teams. Yet again, as far as we know Puma wanted off TSL for a while and approached EG at NASL, we simply do not have the full story yet (especially considering that Mr. Lee basically acused EG and Puma of out and out lying). Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions. xeris said in this very thread that an eg guy was approaching players an nasl. On July 22 2011 05:14 dsousa wrote:
This is ridiculous.
Puma is a free man and if he messed up or sucked, TSL could have and would have dropped him. Since they can drop him at anytime, he is also free to leave at any time for greener pastures.
puma did almost nothing in terms of visible results for tsl for a long, long, long time, and yet was not dropped. why speculate that he would be dropped out of nowhere if his results returned to that? that's true. also why did EG pick up PuMa right after winning NASL and not before that? and I would bet that EG won't treat PuMa the same when he starts slumping since they are recruiting just recent winners. ninja recruiting players right after winning a major tournament seems underhanded to me.
i am not a big fan of how EG did this but it's also unfair to say they'd drop players who aren't showing results. it may be because of contracts, but they have kept players who show very very spare results for quite some time now.
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On July 22 2011 05:24 vrok wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 05:22 PHC wrote:On another note, some esports fans are showing their true colors: Aikepah Austin Welch @OrangeMilkis I would call him unemployed because he wasn't getting paid from TSL 26 minutes ago Aikepah Austin Welch @OrangeMilkis It wouldn't be an issue if Koreans grew up and stopped crying just because TSL lost all of their players to teams that pay. 5 minutes ago Wooju Lee @Aikepah Can you stop tweeting me culturally insensitive nonsense? Thanks. 4 minutes ago via web Aikepah Austin Welch@OrangeMilkis If koreans want to be stupid little fucktards that need to grow up, then no, I wont stop, especially since you are one of them2 minutes ago Yuck, can we stop with posts like these...? Holy shit. Disgusting to think he's a part of our community. Can we stop using lameass Twitter and stick to TL where people just get banned for saying stupid shit? That would be even better.
The problem is that he's directly hurling racist comments to Milkis on Twitter. Considering he's the OP and a TL translator. I think that's pretty relevant, don't you?
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On July 22 2011 05:26 Antoine wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 05:24 BoxersGosuGarden wrote:On July 22 2011 05:19 Antoine wrote:On July 22 2011 05:12 farvacola wrote:On July 22 2011 05:10 dacthehork wrote:On July 22 2011 05:08 Shamrock_ wrote:
In the business world conduct like this is so thoroughly frowned upon that other companies may not even work with you. I can absolutely understand TSL's problem with it and I think EG should've seen this coming. Exactly this is a pretty big mark against EG. It's completely legal, but ethics wise it's pretty nutty to expect no backlash off poaching talent from other companies/teams. Yet again, as far as we know Puma wanted off TSL for a while and approached EG at NASL, we simply do not have the full story yet (especially considering that Mr. Lee basically acused EG and Puma of out and out lying). Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions. xeris said in this very thread that an eg guy was approaching players an nasl. On July 22 2011 05:14 dsousa wrote:
This is ridiculous.
Puma is a free man and if he messed up or sucked, TSL could have and would have dropped him. Since they can drop him at anytime, he is also free to leave at any time for greener pastures.
puma did almost nothing in terms of visible results for tsl for a long, long, long time, and yet was not dropped. why speculate that he would be dropped out of nowhere if his results returned to that? that's true. also why did EG pick up PuMa right after winning NASL and not before that? and I would bet that EG won't treat PuMa the same when he starts slumping since they are recruiting just recent winners. ninja recruiting players right after winning a major tournament seems underhanded to me. i am not a big fan of how EG did this but it's also unfair to say they'd drop players who aren't showing results. it may be because of contracts, but they have kept players who show very very spare results for quite some time now.
you mean the whole team?
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On July 22 2011 05:25 Domination wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 05:23 chatuka wrote:On July 22 2011 05:20 Domination wrote:
All I know is that I have a tough time believing that EG is just an innocent little flower targeted by drama llamas when something always seems to happen involving either their team or their players on a bi-weekly basis. You should see the relationship of Corporations and how corrupt they are. this little talent grab is nothing. It's a measly mosquito. While GM or Apple is like a big dinosaur ready to feed or hunt on an empty stomach. you have a lot to learn about business. Cool, I'm glad that had nothing to do with the point of my post. Thanks for teaching me the ways of the world, oh wise one.
point is , that this isn't a big deal. If EG suddenly bought out OGs, through bankruptcy or some kind of devious method by bankrupting them. You might have a point about the evil nature of EG. I don't think EG think that deviant to destroy their opponents so they can buy them up at pennies or peanuts. which is a Rockefeller Standard Oil technique.
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good and bad thing,
but it only shows that this is becomeing like all professional sports and it will happen even more if it doesn t get regulated
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I laugh at the ppl who think Puma will get worse now that he has joined EG. Its based all on assumptions and the fact that he wont get practicepartners aswell....what a fucking joke some ppl are.
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On July 22 2011 05:23 bonifaceviii wrote:Guys, I know not a lot of you follow market news but this is happening, like, right now. All the marketing executives of Research in Motion are getting sniped by Samsung (a KOREAN company).Show nested quote +As RIM engages in layoffs, weathers investor criticism, and struggles to reassert itself in the mobile industry, the company may be facing something of a brain drain: a senior product manager for RIM’s PlayBook tablet, Ryan Bidan, has jumped ship to Samsung Mobile to service as director of product marketing—at least according to his LInkedIn profile.
The move comes barely a month after RIM’s chief marketing office Brain Wallace left the company for Samsung; that defection, in term, followed only a few months after the departure of Keith Pardy, who had headed up RIM’s BlackBerry marketing efforts. At the time, RIM did not announce a replacement, instead indicating co-CEO Jim Balsillie would be taking on more promotional duties.
The move comes after the lackluster launch of the BlackBerry PlayBook, which has so far failed to meet sales expectations and has generally been greeted with half-hearted reviews that the device simply was not ready for market.
Industry watchers speculate RIM may be in for more high-level defections as the company continues to engage in layoffs. Dissatisfaction within the company seem high; RIM recently had to take the unusual step of publicly responding to an open letter, apparently from a high-level RIM exec, outlining eight steps he or she believed would be critical to turning the company around. The author of the letter claimed to be articulating concerns from a “huge percentage” of RIM’s employee base. When your company is imploding, other companies will come and make offers to your talent. It's just business.
Really interesting point, thanks. With a google search I turned up this article that indicates that "poaching" employees is commonplace and on the rise. See also this article.
It seems that poaching employees (like EG acquired PuMa) is a very common business practice.
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On July 22 2011 05:22 seoul_kiM wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 05:20 Eurekastreet wrote:On July 22 2011 05:02 seoul_kiM wrote:On July 22 2011 04:58 JoeSchmoe wrote:On July 22 2011 04:47 farnham wrote:On July 22 2011 04:45 Xeris wrote:
Differences:
- SK presumably negotiated this deal directly with oGs since there wasn't really any outcry (one can only assume oGs would have made a big deal if SK went behind their backs).
- Rain left TSL team weeks before he joined Fnatic. He expressly said in the article about him leaving TSL that he wanted to join a foreign team and play foreign events, so it wasn't a big surprise.
- fOu and FXO had been working together and built a nice relationship, so the FXO acquisition of fOu isn't really a big shocker
In this case however, PuMa was obviously still a member of TSL. EG had full knowledge that he was on the team, and decided to negotiate a deal with him anyways. yeah but this does not mean anything legally and TSL is responsible for this fact. if they had a employment contract or something it would be binding. TSl chose not to do that and they are facing the consequences Why do people arguing about the legality of this action when it is completely an ethical issue? Huge dick move by EG and now half the koreans feel disrespected by foreigners. "Oh but who cares about what the koreans think?" The coach is not exactly going to spread tales of greatness about EG. This event has a completely negative impact on the foreigner scene because of one team. Horrible team for Puma to join regardless especially when Incontrol spent his SoTG days lobbying how koreans were elitists with too much pride. Now they recruit a player who is actually skilled. Irony much. Your argument is full of holes. - Incontrol isn't EG management and he doesn't decide who joins the organization. - Ethics and business don't exactly go hand-in-hand. It's 2011 and we're in the middle of a recession. Ethics went out the door before the Robber Barons. -Wrong, he made them recruit Puma so they can get a skincare and body lotion as their next big sponsor and both Puma and Anna and that blonde chick can cover themselves in oil on the main stage during the NASL season 2 finals match breaks while he bench presses 700 tons of steel because after the epic Eminem cover, that's obviously what us nerds want to see. This is gonna change everything. -Did you just try and advocate some kind of "but Mooooom he did it first " way of life ? No. I'm saying that business culture has moved waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of line from ethics and values and people shouldn't expect that from businesses whether they are Korean or American. Just look at Samsung and Hyundai.
And I might be a silly optimist but still think that business is only made of people and hope that those people can do business while respecting some basic ethic values (in this specific case, if the situation is the one that has been presented to us, I don't think it would have been so hard to do...)
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I'm kind of torn about all this... From Puma's perspective, it's safe to assume he got something he wanted out of all this, or he wouldn't be doing it, That's at least one thing good we can take out of it, the player (the most important person involved) probably got what he wanted.
As for teams, this seems like much ado about cultural differences. I speak from the Korean viewpoint with any authority, but it seems like Korean teams generally expect to be the main negotiating body, and don't work with contracts as much as mutual understanding and negotiation. And over here in America, it would seem strange to have a player represent a team, receiving compensation, without having a contract laying down rules for them. And in a situation where there is not contract signed, it seems strange (from an American point of view) for the person with the actual playing skills being bought to not have final say in any negotiations. So most of the issue here is two cultural ways of doing things clashing. This was bound to happen sooner or later as long as Korea and the US interact over players, and will keep happening until one country changes their ways of dealing with the other. (And it looks like Korea is changing theirs.)
But a few things I think most people will agree on... What EG did was not actually illegal by any kind of law. It was, however, rude for them to not consult TSL. End result will probably be that everyone in all countries will be contract their players, EG will receive (deserved) bad word of mouth, and other Korean teams may refuse to work with them from now on. I see this as an unfortunate incident which was inevitable as long as teams were working with different rules of engagement.
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On July 22 2011 05:26 Antoine wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 05:24 BoxersGosuGarden wrote:On July 22 2011 05:19 Antoine wrote:On July 22 2011 05:12 farvacola wrote:On July 22 2011 05:10 dacthehork wrote:On July 22 2011 05:08 Shamrock_ wrote:
In the business world conduct like this is so thoroughly frowned upon that other companies may not even work with you. I can absolutely understand TSL's problem with it and I think EG should've seen this coming. Exactly this is a pretty big mark against EG. It's completely legal, but ethics wise it's pretty nutty to expect no backlash off poaching talent from other companies/teams. Yet again, as far as we know Puma wanted off TSL for a while and approached EG at NASL, we simply do not have the full story yet (especially considering that Mr. Lee basically acused EG and Puma of out and out lying). Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions. xeris said in this very thread that an eg guy was approaching players an nasl. On July 22 2011 05:14 dsousa wrote:
This is ridiculous.
Puma is a free man and if he messed up or sucked, TSL could have and would have dropped him. Since they can drop him at anytime, he is also free to leave at any time for greener pastures.
puma did almost nothing in terms of visible results for tsl for a long, long, long time, and yet was not dropped. why speculate that he would be dropped out of nowhere if his results returned to that? that's true. also why did EG pick up PuMa right after winning NASL and not before that? and I would bet that EG won't treat PuMa the same when he starts slumping since they are recruiting just recent winners. ninja recruiting players right after winning a major tournament seems underhanded to me. i am not a big fan of how EG did this but it's also unfair to say they'd drop players who aren't showing results. it may be because of contracts, but they have kept players who show very very spare results for quite some time now.
Good point! The moves EG's been making lately don't really seem like they are trying to jump on the 'flavour of the month' bandwagon... but rather build a better foreign environment for their team. Their players have reduced their content creation, moved to a team house.... and have been training hard together. Acquiring a Korean (famous for his ability to be an incredible training partner... and of course total baller Terran) could very well be to enhance their training regime. At least if I was running EG I'd take total advantage of this acquisition, and not just use Puma to win tournies.
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On July 22 2011 05:27 PHC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 05:24 vrok wrote:On July 22 2011 05:22 PHC wrote:On another note, some esports fans are showing their true colors: Aikepah Austin Welch @OrangeMilkis I would call him unemployed because he wasn't getting paid from TSL 26 minutes ago Aikepah Austin Welch @OrangeMilkis It wouldn't be an issue if Koreans grew up and stopped crying just because TSL lost all of their players to teams that pay. 5 minutes ago Wooju Lee @Aikepah Can you stop tweeting me culturally insensitive nonsense? Thanks. 4 minutes ago via web Aikepah Austin Welch@OrangeMilkis If koreans want to be stupid little fucktards that need to grow up, then no, I wont stop, especially since you are one of them2 minutes ago Yuck, can we stop with posts like these...? Holy shit. Disgusting to think he's a part of our community. Can we stop using lameass Twitter and stick to TL where people just get banned for saying stupid shit? That would be even better. The problem is that he's directly hurling racist comments to Milkis on Twitter. Considering he's the OP and a TL translator. I think that's pretty relevant, don't you?
Actually, I don't. I think that if Milkis wants to expose himself to anonymous ignorant morons then that's his problem.
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On July 22 2011 05:19 Antoine wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 05:12 farvacola wrote:On July 22 2011 05:10 dacthehork wrote:On July 22 2011 05:08 Shamrock_ wrote:
In the business world conduct like this is so thoroughly frowned upon that other companies may not even work with you. I can absolutely understand TSL's problem with it and I think EG should've seen this coming. Exactly this is a pretty big mark against EG. It's completely legal, but ethics wise it's pretty nutty to expect no backlash off poaching talent from other companies/teams. Yet again, as far as we know Puma wanted off TSL for a while and approached EG at NASL, we simply do not have the full story yet (especially considering that Mr. Lee basically acused EG and Puma of out and out lying). Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions. xeris said in this very thread that an eg guy was approaching players an nasl. Show nested quote +On July 22 2011 05:14 dsousa wrote:
This is ridiculous.
Puma is a free man and if he messed up or sucked, TSL could have and would have dropped him. Since they can drop him at anytime, he is also free to leave at any time for greener pastures.
puma did almost nothing in terms of visible results for tsl for a long, long, long time, and yet was not dropped. why speculate that he would be dropped out of nowhere if his results returned to that?
Well clearly he had talent, and even if they didn't drop him, they certainly had the right.
You can't have a ceiling without a floor. In traditional business, we call it an "at will" contract. Both parties can sever "at will". All employee agreements you or I have ever been a part of are very likely "at will"
True player free agency will be a BOOM for SC2.... especially moves like this one.
Aren't we on page 227 already?
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